Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Started by quanchi112201 pages

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Just because khan can point at him doesn't mean he can hit him. Is there proof that a larger blast would be too much for a lightsaber?
Watch the clip of Khan in Star Trek into Darkness to see how obvious it is.

A lightsaber cut through blast shields that were supposedly impenetrable. A ship popper isn't exactly awe inspiring.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
A lightsaber cut through blast shields that were supposedly impenetrable. A ship popper isn't exactly awe inspiring.
Compared to what we have seen the blasters do from Star Wars it's far more impressive which is the point.

Lightsaber> blaster, Klingon canon> blaster.
But lightsaber> several blasters. Is Khan 's canon on that level?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Lightsaber> blaster, Klingon canon> blaster.
But lightsaber> several blasters. Is Khan 's canon on that level?
Lightsaber can block a small blast but it has never blocked something as powerful as Khan's über gun.

A lightsaber cut through a ship. Uber gun blasted through a ship. Hardly seems overwhelming.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
A lightsaber cut through a ship. Uber gun blasted through a ship. Hardly seems overwhelming.
A Lightsaber can't down a ship with the ease in which the gun did. How aren't you seeing this ?

I see a lightsaber block a blast of energy and a gun that produces a blast of energy.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I see a lightsaber block a blast of energy and a gun that produces a blast of energy.
Same guns have never ever done the kind of damage to a body or a ship. Not even close.

Yoda Absorbs the Cannon Blast like he did to Dooku's lightning 😛

All joking aside Yoda destroys Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Phaser blasts ko based on the force of the blast not based on the environment and awareness of the victim.

You have failed to prove it can ko a geriatric. Its ridiculous. You are just making baseless claims and asking me to disprove your theory which you need to prove.

Clones have successfully targeted Yoda. They just had their blasts deflected. At no point do we see anyone unable to track Yoda's movements with a gun.

Yes, we see him. Palpatine kos him and disarms him. Not every EFFECTIVE. We also see clones easily able to fire at Yoda. Where is this Yoda who dodges projectiles or laser fire ? Your entire case revolves around feats he has never done.

Watch the clip. Do I need to repost clips ? If you are this ignorant when it comes to both characters why do you insist on debating.

If phaser blasts knocked people out through kinetic force, why does no one go flying from the impact of each shot? It is more likely that phasers stun by disrupting a body's function. If you believe otherwise, please provide evidence showing phaser blasts sending those struck by them careening backwards any amount of distance.

My stance has never been to prove the potential to render people unconscious using a Force push. You have been the one making that claim, and for the third time I repeat myself. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

If Yoda were so easy to track, then surely he would have succumbed to the constant barrage of blaster fire from his foes, would he not? Yet that is never the case. The Jedi Master does deflect some bolts, but overall he is well and clear of any shots hitting their mark. Why are you still bringing up Palpatine when you are trying to establish projectile evidence? Please, make up your mind.

I have watched the scene Scenario was kind enough to post for evidence on your behalf, which you really should thank him for. Nowhere in that footage did I see Khan A) take aim with both guns simultaneously, B) target an enemy a quarter of his size. This does not speak well for your claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yawns. Feels sorry for you.

Khan wins.

You are boring everyone again with your non-committal answers.

Like I said to you before, in every debate. I'm not doing your legwork for you, get your evidence or don't bother.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You are boring everyone again with your non-committal answers.

Like I said to you before, in every debate. I'm not doing your legwork for you, get your evidence or don't bother.

Incidentally, I did go back and read this thread through. You weren't joking, it looks I really am just rehashing your old points of argument, with some added knowledge.

Khan and Yoda are in the senate room, fifty feet apart. Yoda has his lightsaber, Khan has his weapons during the scene from the Klingon moon.

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Incidentally, I did go back and read this thread through. You weren't joking, it looks I really am just rehashing your old points of argument, with some added knowledge.

Khan and Yoda are in the senate room, fifty feet apart. Yoda has his lightsaber, Khan has his weapons during the scene from the Klingon moon.

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Nope, because the fighting methodology has not changed with the location. 🙂

If anything it gives yoda more of an advantage, being able to toss car sized projectiles at khan.

45 votes against 😂

and 2 votes for quanchi by quanchi jiggy

Originally posted by XanatosForever
If phaser blasts knocked people out through kinetic force, why does no one go flying from the impact of each shot? It is more likely that phasers stun by disrupting a body's function. If you believe otherwise, please provide evidence showing phaser blasts sending those struck by them careening backwards any amount of distance.

My stance has never been to prove the potential to render people unconscious using a Force push. You have been the one making that claim, and for the third time I repeat myself. [b]This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

If Yoda were so easy to track, then surely he would have succumbed to the constant barrage of blaster fire from his foes, would he not? Yet that is never the case. The Jedi Master does deflect some bolts, but overall he is well and clear of any shots hitting their mark. Why are you still bringing up Palpatine when you are trying to establish projectile evidence? Please, make up your mind.

I have watched the scene Scenario was kind enough to post for evidence on your behalf, which you really should thank him for. Nowhere in that footage did I see Khan A) take aim with both guns simultaneously, B) target an enemy a quarter of his size. This does not speak well for your claims. [/B]

i don't have to. We plainly see an older man resist an all out force push. That is not impressive. Comparing Khan physically to Palpatine is a joke. If that is your claim you need to prove it.

Then the force push is useless because we never see him use his powers in the manner in which you describe.

He is easy to track just not to hit. You are finally catching on. Khan's firepower and skill are too much. He has never missed and has two guns. One of which has superior firepower while the other having successive quick blasts. Too much to overcome for Yoda.

Khan does not take on a single threat the size of Yoda. I mean Dear Lord. If he is matched up against one opponent what does common sense scream to you. Quit being dishonest to not only me but yourself. Everyone has seen the Klingon destruction scene.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You are boring everyone again with your non-committal answers.

Like I said to you before, in every debate. I'm not doing your legwork for you, get your evidence or don't bother.

I posted evidence. Not to you since you just flame and insult due to the lack of debating skill you do not possess.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If anything it gives yoda more of an advantage, being able to toss car sized projectiles at khan.
Yoda does toss them at anyone unless they toss them at him first. Watch the scene.

You mean the scene where yoda tosses one at his opponent?