Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, post the video clip we have all seen. Your inability to not repost the same videos every time you are in a debate is troubling.

As long as it's relevant to the debate at hand, I find a reminder every so often is very helpful. It's been months since this thread had any activity, much less any videos posted.

Just trying to help things along 👆

We see it is larger than anything the saber has blocked as well as more powerful by the video you yourself posted which well have seen.

And? By the argument you are operating under, you require evidence of a lightsaber failing to deflect a larger blast in order to claim such. Otherwise, to quote you yourself on the matter:

Nothing you described can ever be found in a clip.

More of the same just speculation without anything of substance to support your claims.

No, since there are no examples of what you claim it's just imaginary.

And so on. Do you see what I'm getting at here? If you want to jump on people for claiming things that have never happened, why are you claiming things that have never happened?

So yeah. I don't really care about the outcome of this debate. I have no opinion on whether Khan wins or Yoda does. It doesn't matter to me. I'm just trying to help you become a better debater, since I know you can be better than this. By continuing this line of argument you're on, I think you're making a mistake. Learn from it. It can only help you.

If the saber blocks tinier blasts we have no proof it can block his über gun since it turns bodies into stumps. You proved my claim for me if you are being honest which you never have been with regards to Zelda related characters.

There are no Zelda characters in this debate, though, so I don't how that's relevant. If you want to debate Zelda again, you're free to come back to VGVS or the All Versus at any time.

Originally posted by juggerman
He was punched while armed. Why couldn't he use a gun?

Surprise attacks leave the target in disarray. They could have known his location but still had to overcome their inital shock, decide how to procede, think about what to do about Kirk and company and more all while being shot up. It's not an easy thing to do. Khan took advantage of the element of surprize which he doesn't have here. Show him being that impressive without having to sneak attack. Or ya know show him killing one person as small and fast as Yoda

Is Khan somewhere up high where Yoda cannot reach him here? If not i don't see your point. You act as if Yoda got hit by blaster fire.

Not revelent unless Yoda was taken out as well by the Order. Was he? Nope. So pointless rant. If this was "Khan vs Ki-Adi-Mundi" then you might have a point.

Yet he's dodged things much faster. But nice low showing i guess. Again, is Khan going to be using the force here? If not then again you have no point

Yeah, your clip really proves Yoda cannot use a Force Push and/or his lightsaber here. Good job 😬

What are you talking about ? One guy who shows up in plain sight against an entire squadron and a few ships and he has the advantage ? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. Khan is a superior warrior. That's why he prevailed. All they had to do is shoot him. What are you talking about with their initial confusion ? Pretty simple you shoot what opposes you.

He killed a few with a sneak attack. The rest he killed due to being superior to. Yoda also sneak attacked along with Obi. Yoda stands still and deflects when someone shoots at him. The clones who are far less skilled fired at Yoda with no problem. No one has ever struggled with firing at Yoda who was stationary. You just make things up and are not even able to bring forth an argument.

Yoda was hit. That is undeniable. Khan has never missed. Khan has superior firepower and quicker firepower than Palpatine. Every single example of anyone blasting or firing lasers at him has always had him stationary. When has anyone ever missed ? I mean come on. This is getting desperate.

What has Yoda dodged which is faster ? List some examples. You keep arguing based off baseless claims you have not even offered evidence just unsupported theory after unsupported theory.

Clip shows Yoda stands still and tries to block or deflect laser fire. He doesn't jump away or dodge. No one has ever missed him due to him being quick or small.

😂

Originally posted by The Scenario
As long as it's relevant to the debate at hand, I find a reminder every so often is very helpful. It's been months since this thread had any activity, much less any videos posted.

Just trying to help things along 👆

And? By the argument you are operating under, you require evidence of a lightsaber failing to deflect a larger blast in order to claim such. Otherwise, to quote you yourself on the matter:

And so on. Do you see what I'm getting at here? If you want to jump on people for claiming things that have never happened, why are you claiming things that have never happened?

So yeah. I don't really care about the outcome of this debate. I have no opinion on whether Khan wins or Yoda does. It doesn't matter to me. I'm just trying to help you become a better debater, since I know you can be better than this. By continuing this line of argument you're on, I think you're making a mistake. Learn from it. It can only help you.

There are no Zelda characters in this debate, though, so I don't how that's relevant. If you want to debate Zelda again, you're free to come back to VGVS or the All Versus at any time.

We also don't have any examples of a light saber blocking the Death Star. Same principle here. The blasts from Khan's guns are both quicker in succession, does more damage to the body, and brings down powerful ships with a single shot. The eye test makes it pretty clear.

yet more of quanchi's abysmal stupidity.

now cry for 30 more pages.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yet more of quanchi's abysmal stupidity.

now cry for 30 more pages.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the sensitivity of the equipment in the ship located in that room. That's why no one used any guns and it was strictly hand to hand until in the control room.

What are you talking about ? One guy who shows up in plain sight against an entire squadron and a few ships and he has the advantage ? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. Khan is a superior warrior. That's why he prevailed. All they had to do is shoot him. What are you talking about with their initial confusion ? Pretty simple you shoot what opposes you.

He killed a few with a sneak attack. The rest he killed due to being superior to. Yoda also sneak attacked along with Obi. Yoda stands still and deflects when someone shoots at him. The clones who are far less skilled fired at Yoda with no problem. No one has ever struggled with firing at Yoda who was stationary. You just make things up and are not even able to bring forth an argument.

Yoda was hit. That is undeniable. Khan has never missed. Khan has superior firepower and quicker firepower than Palpatine. Every single example of anyone blasting or firing lasers at him has always had him stationary. When has anyone ever missed ? I mean come on. This is getting desperate.

What has Yoda dodged which is faster ? List some examples. You keep arguing based off baseless claims you have not even offered evidence just unsupported theory after unsupported theory.

Clip shows Yoda stands still and tries to block or deflect laser fire. He doesn't jump away or dodge. No one has ever missed him due to him being quick or small.

😂

Post the scene

That's how just about every single action movie goes. Yes one guns can do massive damage with a sneak attack. Were you just born?

The entire thing was a sneak attack. They had to fight back against a sneak attack. Why do you need this explained?

Was Yoda hit with a blaster? Or some kind of gun? No? Well then why assume Khan will hit him when he's shown zero skill in hitting andything smaller than human sized targets? Oh that's right. You're giving him skills he's never shown again

Lightsaber strikes. And they were much closer in range.

He did in one on one fights 😄

Originally posted by quanchi112
We also don't have any examples of a light saber blocking the Death Star. Same principle here. The blasts from Khan's guns are both quicker in succession, does more damage to the body, and brings down powerful ships with a single shot. The eye test makes it pretty clear.

Good, that's a fine argument, now to apply the logic behind it consistently. We have established that you don't necessarily need a direct clip of something happening, yes?

So there's not really anything stopping Yoda from using the force to pull the gun out of Khan's hands. Or from pushing him back and jumping forward to cut him while he's disoriented, say. Heck, Yoda could throw his lightsaber, and that one actually has video behind it.

It's all the same speculation regardless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Try to stay on topic. Khan wins.

Oh I am on topic Quan. You fled, and failed to answer any points in my last actual post here in this thread, and resorted to spewing garbage and pretending you answered points. Unless and until you actually provide legitimate counter arguments, all you get from me is more mocking.

Now sing little parrot, sing!

Too long to read. Whats the verdict for Lightsaber slashing? Seems like the second easiest solution after Force ragdolling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The force push failed to ko a geriatric. It did ko unsuspecting, unskilled, unaware guards right next to a wall due to the location and surprise nature of the attack. Khan has the showings which prove he can survive greater force.

Yoda failed whereas Windu did not. Yoda's own words show him to be a failure. Yoda hid while others brought down the emperor. Yoda died. Khan himself killed Marcus. That's awesome.

Based on what ? When has a Jedi easily deflected someone with the offensive firepower and skill of Khan ? Never.

You make it seem as if a Force push is a simple shove by any ordinary human. It has consistently been shown to be an attack of great kinetic impact that sends targets flying back multiple feet. Khan does not have the showings to prove he can withstand that amount of force and still make an offensive. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

I am afraid I lost track of where this is relevant to the topic at hand.

This works both ways, you know. When has Khan shot a target who is a quarter his size and in constant motion? Never. Furthermore, you would have to prove that the weaponry Khan wields is in fact more powerful than Yoda has come across.

Id love to know who the second person who voted for Khan in the poll, I mean clearly Q is completely illogical and irrational, wonder if this other guy is just as deluded.

Originally posted by juggerman
Post the scene

That's how just about every single action movie goes. Yes one guns can do massive damage with a sneak attack. Were you just born?

The entire thing was a sneak attack. They had to fight back against a sneak attack. Why do you need this explained?

Was Yoda hit with a blaster? Or some kind of gun? No? Well then why assume Khan will hit him when he's shown zero skill in hitting andything smaller than human sized targets? Oh that's right. You're giving him skills he's never shown again

Lightsaber strikes. And they were much closer in range.

He did in one on one fights 😄

Khan was right out on the open. He showed up and everyone was in awe of him. Him being a super soldier is kind of the point.

Khan was right out in the open. What planet are you from ? Should he have used a megaphone screaming, here I come.

Yoda deflected the blasts. No one was unable to locate Yoda as he stood by. That's the point. You can't list one example of a lesser skilled character missing him due to his evasive tactics.

Light saber attacks are closer and in closer hand to hand. Swinging a sword isn't anywhere near as fast as a laser. 😂

Yoda never did so against anyone with a gun. Khan doesn't use a sword so irrelevant. Khan mows him down.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Good, that's a fine argument, now to apply the logic behind it consistently. We have established that you don't necessarily need a direct clip of something happening, yes?

So there's not really anything stopping Yoda from using the force to pull the gun out of Khan's hands. Or from pushing him back and jumping forward to cut him while he's disoriented, say. Heck, Yoda could throw his lightsaber, and that one actually has video behind it.

It's all the same speculation regardless.

Yoda doesn't do so. You can claim whatever you want. Yoda needs his saber to stop the incoming blasts his way. So claim whatever you want to its baseless if yu have no examples of him doing so.

Throw the saber. He is defenseless and it is far slower than Khan's guns which can shoot the saber out of the way.

You posted the video where Khan's gun mauled bodies and downed ships. We have never seen blaster fire do anything close to this hence less powerful.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
You make it seem as if a Force push is a simple shove by any ordinary human. It has consistently been shown to be an attack of great kinetic impact that sends targets flying back multiple feet. Khan does not have the showings to prove he can withstand that amount of force and still make an offensive. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

I am afraid I lost track of where this is relevant to the topic at hand.

This works both ways, you know. When has Khan shot a target who is a quarter his size and in constant motion? Never. Furthermore, you would have to prove that the weaponry Khan wields is in fact more powerful than Yoda has come across.

Yes, he has. Palpatine did so and he is far less than Khan who withstood 8 consecutive concussive blasts from a phaser. What's worse we see Yoda's force push fail to kill an old man.

Others with far less skill with guns shot effectively at him. He blocked it. Acting like he evades blasts is a lie. He jumps around in a sword fight up close not away from blasts or force lighting. Try to be relevant and quit comparing apples to oranges.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh I am on topic Quan. You fled, and failed to answer any points in my last actual post here in this thread, and resorted to spewing garbage and pretending you answered points. Unless and until you actually provide legitimate counter arguments, all you get from me is more mocking.

Now sing little parrot, sing!

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Without the person being slammed into something right up against him or so it isn't that great especially done by Yoda.

Yes, he has. Palpatine did so and he is far less than Khan who withstood 8 consecutive concussive blasts from a phaser. What's worse we see Yoda's force push fail to kill an old man.

Others with far less skill with guns shot effectively at him. He blocked it. Acting like he evades blasts is a lie. He jumps around in a sword fight up close not away from blasts or force lighting. Try to be relevant and quit comparing apples to oranges.

It would take a considerable amount of force to render someone unconscious via impact with that short a distance to travel.

We are not discussing Palpatine, we are discussing Khan, and you still have not brought up evidence that he can withstand the kinetic impact of a force push. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

You use the word "effective", but you speak of clones who have never landed a shot against Yoda. I do not think the word means what you think it means. Yes, in a lightsaber duel, Yoda would have pretense to remain close to his opponent. Why, then, are you bringing up situations when he is not involved in a lightsaber duel? His tactic changes when faced with opponents using projectile weapons.

When has Khan shot a target who is a quarter his size and in constant motion? Never. Furthermore, you would have to prove that the weaponry Khan wields is in fact more powerful than Yoda has come across.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
It would take a considerable amount of force to render someone unconscious via impact with that short a distance to travel.

We are not discussing Palpatine, we are discussing Khan, and you still have not brought up evidence that he can withstand the kinetic impact of a force push. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

You use the word "effective", but you speak of clones who have never landed a shot against Yoda. I do not think the word means what you think it means. Yes, in a lightsaber duel, Yoda would have pretense to remain close to his opponent. Why, then, are you bringing up situations when he is not involved in a lightsaber duel? His tactic changes when faced with opponents using projectile weapons.

When has Khan shot a target who is a quarter his size and in constant motion? Never. Furthermore, you would have to prove that the weaponry Khan wields is in fact more powerful than Yoda has come across.

You have failed to prove it can ko a geriatric. Its ridiculous. You are just making baseless claims and asking me to disprove your theory which you need to prove.

Clones have successfully targeted Yoda. They just had their blasts deflected. At no point do we see anyone unable to track Yoda's movements with a gun.

Yes, we see him. Palpatine kos him and disarms him. Not every EFFECTIVE. We also see clones easily able to fire at Yoda. Where is this Yoda who dodges projectiles or laser fire ? Your entire case revolves around feats he has never done.

Watch the clip. Do I need to repost clips ? If you are this ignorant when it comes to both characters why do you insist on debating.

It doesn't exactly take a genius to point their boom stick at a moving target...

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
It doesn't exactly take a genius to point their boom stick at a moving target...

Just because khan can point at him doesn't mean he can hit him. Is there proof that a larger blast would be too much for a lightsaber?