Well, there are problems with a straight answer. The first is that whilst females may be more represented, a lot of their representation is actually part of the problem, so the direct comparison is tricky.
But to try and answer it as best I can- if someone made a series about poor representation of blacks in video games, and the response was as overwhelmingly racist as the response in this case was misogynist, then yes, I think it would get as much attention. My guess, though, would be that such a racist response wouldn't happen. I think part of the whole point here is that women have been revealed as an 'acceptable' target.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Would it, though?You guys didn't really answer my question.
It wouldn't, most likely. But you don't already have the following of Anita. You'll probably get a fair amount of hatred though, like she does. Mainly by white people who don't see the big deal, it's just gaming, get over it, and noooo Heimdall is white he can't be black... that's racist.
You know.
Also, lets go for the double whammy of representation of black women.
Anita is a posturing mediocrity who thinks she's something more than that. Some of the responses she gets, though, are odious and untenable. Unfortunately, she sometimes uses those responses to censor/ignore valid criticisms.
Either way, I can certainly appreciate just about anyone who's not afraid to stir a beehive.
Video gaming is probably one of the last major refuges of misogyny in the Western world.
I don't think her "tone" is reason to excuse or even understand the kind of vitriolic responses she got. Even if I don't like a woman or think she's an idiot I don't proceed to insult her for being a woman, which is what many of the responders did.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Video gaming is probably one of the last major refuges of misogyny in the Western world.
Eh, it's more outright perhaps, because the whole culture is somewhat infantile. But There's large amounts of misogyny in movies, tv shows, comics, books, basically all media.
Agree with the second, non-quoted part though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Eh, it's more outright perhaps, because the whole culture is somewhat infantile. But There's large amounts of misogyny in movies, tv shows, comics, books, basically all media.Agree with the second, non-quoted part though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's hardly sexist. Especially in gaming men are immensely privileged over women, and catered to almost exclusively.
The term "male privilege" is generally unrelated to games, and reading her work, I honestly don't think it was an honest mistake.
If this was just about games, I wouldn't mind. Women are very underrepresented in games; I don't think anyone can deny that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thankfully Jim Sterling already summarized the issue. Thank God for him.She 'brought attacks on herself'? What, because she had an opinion? She didn't bring shit on herself. Nothing justifies the response she got.
Do you deny though that males are heavily favored in gaming? Most of the comments she posted really do reek of male entitlement. How is it sexist to point out a discrepancy in the market? It isn't.
Kindly check your privilege in the future.
Jim doesn't get nearly the same amount of hate when he discusses similar topics to do with women in games.
(p.s. Bardocks post rocks)
Whoa, cool your jets.
Like I said, if this was just about games, it wouldn't be a thing; but she's using it for more than that.
Thanks for the lynching, though.
No the term male privilege also refers to the many other advantages being male brings with it in our society. But it is particularly obvious in gaming for example.
This thread is about just gaming though, something broader is curently discussed in the GDF in a thread called "Sexism in America". You are right that Anita Sarkeesian's philosophy extends beyond gaming, and imo she's right. Gaming culture is a reflection of problems that exists in overall culture.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No the term male privilege also refers to the many other advantages being male brings with it in our society. But it is particularly obvious in gaming for example.This thread is about just gaming though, something broader is curently discussed in the GDF in a thread called "Sexism in America". You are right that Anita Sarkeesian's philosophy extends beyond gaming, and imo she's right. Gaming culture is a reflection of problems that exists in overall culture.
I've already admitted that gaming is heavily skewed in favour of males. I think only a lunatic would think otherwise.
The term "male privilege" is still offensive, imo, and given some of the posts she quoted (most of which were genuinely offensive, i'm not saying otherwise), I have a hard time believing she only meant it in terms of games, and wasn't just using it as a vehicle.
Originally posted by Peach
...not a single comment she posted in the responses she got were reasonable.
"Relax, you don't need to get all bent out of shape because the protagonists in the games showcased were all males."
Why is this particular comment unreasonable? It is not inflammatory, takes nothing resembling a harsh tone, and is in fact very calm and measured.
Most of the comments are generic 4chan crap, and I do guarantee you, that the majority of the commentators were 4chan posters, whom follow everything Anita does and hate all of it.
4chan is and always will be a significant minority in any medium, gaming or otherwise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I've already admitted that gaming is heavily skewed in favour of males. I think only a lunatic would think otherwise.The term "male privilege" is still offensive, imo, and given some of the posts she quoted (most of which were genuinely offensive, i'm not saying otherwise), I have a hard time believing she only meant it in terms of games, and wasn't just using it as a vehicle.
How is it offensive?
We are privileged as men. In many, many areas. It's not offensive, it's just true.