Gaming and Feminism

Started by -Pr-8 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
How is it offensive?

We are privileged as men. In many, many areas. It's not offensive, it's just true.

Outside of gaming, I find it offensive tbh, as it's used by many militant sexists to make light of men's campaigns to gain equality in certain areas of life.

That said, that's something else entirely, and is off topic, so I'm not going to go any further with it.

As far as the thread goes, if she meant purely in terms of gaming, then I'm a big enough man to hold my hands up and apologise for misunderstanding and getting the wrong idea. It just wasn't how it appeared to me.

I'm sure the people that made snide (or otherwise) personal comments about me that are factually inaccurate, will do the same.

But we're still friends. Right, PR?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sure the people that made snide (or otherwise) personal comments about me that are factually inaccurate, will do the same.
Filthy misogynist.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But we're still friends. Right, PR?

I don't know... I want to, but I... I'm just such a horrible human being... Am I capable of that kind of love?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Filthy misogynist.

🙁

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know... I want to, but I... I'm just such a horrible human being... Am I capable of that kind of love?

Probably not.

True love exists only between men. Never forget that, you two.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I could really see male privilege at work when my dad was arrested after his current girlfriend after she falsely claimed he hit her.

At the age of 14, I thought "Wow, it sure feels good to be a man".

No one's saying men have it easy in every way. Or that all men have it easier than women. Just that men have advantages in society that permit them more freedom than women. Obviously there's also intersectionality to keep in mind. White women are privileged over black men in many aspects due to their race, which awards them more opportunities. There are all sorts of things that can privilege a person (class, wealth, gender, race, nationality, sexual orientation, gender identity, and so on).

Originally posted by -Pr-
Outside of gaming, I find it offensive tbh, as it's used by many militant sexists to make light of men's campaigns to gain equality in certain areas of life.

I disagree with this very much. It's the false premise of many men right's groups that they are oppressed by women or feminists in particular. That's just plain wrong. Men do face issues due to their gender, but a pretty good case can actually be made much of it is due to the lower status of femininity (so for example a man wanting to take care of his children rather than have a career will be looked down upon in some ways for desiring to do something traditionally female. That's the fault of the same system that oppresses women (generally called patriarchy, as it has men in a leading position and women subservient (which also doesn't meant that men are oppressing women, which admittedly a few radical feminists belief, though I have not heard Anita Sarkeesian claim such)))

I don't think personal attacks have a place so I hope no one would attack you for stating your opinion, as wrong as I think it is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Whoa, cool your jets.

Like I said, if this was just about games, it wouldn't be a thing; but she's using it for more than that.

Thanks for the lynching, though.

I wasn't intentionally being hostile, don't worry. I was being facetious when I told you to check your privilege. I'm not lame enough to be serious about that social justice shite.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wasn't intentionally being hostile, don't worry. I was being facetious when I told you to check your privilege. I'm not lame enough to be serious about that social justice shite.

Oh shit, you had me worried there for a second.

Suppose we had gotten more female protagonists on the Xbox One or whatever else, if that had meant more characters along the lines of Bayonetta or Other M Samus, am sure I (and perhaps she too) would've said no to that anyway. As we've seen, some games with female leads can be sexist themselves.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Probably not.

🙁

Originally posted by Bardock42
No one's saying men have it easy in every way. Or that all men have it easier than women. Just that men have advantages in society that permit them more freedom than women. Obviously there's also intersectionality to keep in mind. White women are privileged over black men in many aspects due to their race, which awards them more opportunities. There are all sorts of things that can privilege a person (class, wealth, gender, race, nationality, sexual orientation, gender identity, and so on).

I disagree with this very much. It's the false premise of many men right's groups that they are oppressed by women or feminists in particular. That's just plain wrong. Men do face issues due to their gender, but a pretty good case can actually be made much of it is due to the lower status of femininity (so for example a man wanting to take care of his children rather than have a career will be looked down upon in some ways for desiring to do something traditionally female. That's the fault of the same system that oppresses women (generally called patriarchy, as it has men in a leading position and women subservient (which also doesn't meant that men are oppressing women, which admittedly a few radical feminists belief, though I have not heard Anita Sarkeesian claim such)))

I don't think personal attacks have a place so I hope no one would attack you for stating your opinion, as wrong as I think it is.

im thinking we don't disagree as much as it might seem, but this isn't the time or the place.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wasn't intentionally being hostile, don't worry. I was being facetious when I told you to check your privilege. I'm not lame enough to be serious about that social justice shite.

my bad, though I was more aiming it at someone else than you, so apologies.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Oh shit, you had me worried there for a second.

That triggers me bro. >:[

Originally posted by -Pr-
🙁


Let me tell you a story.

Okay, so I was at this gaming expo in Phoenix, playing some game that never got released, I think it was called PsyWar--like that, without the space. Anyway, the other pair of guys were incredibly misogynistic, always cracking jokes about women and making lurid comments about the game's female protagonist. But then the game demo ends, the developers ask me what I thought, I say I think it's okay, then I go to a catering table, get some raw veggies, bacon, Cup-A-Soup--baby I got myself a stew going.

Does that answer your question?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let me tell you a story.

Okay, so I was at this gaming expo in Phoenix, playing some game that never got released, I think it was called PsyWar--like that, without the space. Anyway, the other pair of guys were incredibly misogynistic, always cracking jokes about women and making lurid comments about the game's female protagonist. But then the game demo ends, the developers ask me what I thought, I say I think it's okay, then I go to a catering table, get some raw veggies, bacon, Cup-A-Soup--baby I got myself a stew going.

Does that answer your question?

Now I feel like there's some grand meaning about lampooning the traditional role of kitchen dweller and turning it on your head because you're a man and... Well, something that will go over my head because I feel stoopid. 🙁

***** needs to get slapped back to the kitchen.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Now I feel like there's some grand meaning about lampooning the traditional role of kitchen dweller and turning it on your head because you're a man and... Well, something that will go over my head because I feel stoopid. 🙁

Actually I was just riffing on Arrested Development.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Actually I was just riffing on Arrested Development.

I never watched it, which I'm sure is a graver crime.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I never watched it, which I'm sure is a graver crime.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Omega Vision
YouTube video

😂

Originally posted by Nephthys

Kindly check your privilege in the future.

Originally posted by Nephthys

check your privilege in the future.

Originally posted by Nephthys

check your privilege

Go. Away.