Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Depends on what Vitiate can do with a day of prep. From what it sounds like he can one-shot an entire Dark Council.
I'm not guaranteeing it, mind you. But the Emperor's own telepathic abilities rival those of Vitiate and he (along with Plagueis) unbalanced the Force through sheer force of psychic will. I don't think that even with a day of prep that Vitiate will be enthralling Sidious.
As for Vitiate one-shotting Sidious, the benefits afforded by the Dark Temple's nexus isn't (to my knowledge) exclusive to Vitiate alone. And Sidious unaided is capable of destroying fleets and planets.
They'll probably just kill each other.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not guaranteeing it, mind you. But the Emperor's own telepathic abilities rival those of Vitiate and he (along with Plagueis) unbalanced the Force through sheer force of psychic will. I don't think that even with a day of prep that Vitiate will be enthralling Sidious.As for Vitiate one-shotting Sidious, the benefits afforded by the Dark Temple's nexus isn't (to my knowledge) exclusive to Vitiate alone. And Sidious unaided is capable of destroying fleets and planets.
They'll probably just kill each other.
He didn't one-shot them with TK, he one-shotted them with some unknown flash of light ability that essentially vaporized them.
I think that Sidious with prior knowledge to Vitiate and/ or with similar prep could challenge him, as could other top tiers. But with a day's prep on Vitiate's side...I think the Sith Emperor wins.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He didn't one-shot them with TK, he one-shotted them with some unknown flash of light ability that essentially vaporized them.
I know. The Loch Ness Monster stuff is old news.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I think that Sidious with prior knowledge to Vitiate and/ or with similar prep could challenge him, as could other top tiers. But with a day's prep on Vitiate's side...I think the Sith Emperor wins.
Maybe.
But the Emperor's telepathic powers are such that he enslaved ~20 billion citizens on Byss; manipulated an unknown number of Coruscant's population to facilitate the burial of the Lusankya, a Super Star Destroyer, beneath the planet's surface; erected psychic shields as an untrained child that blunted even Plagueis's attempts at psychic intrusion; dominated Marek, Luke, and Kam Solusar (and Plagueis himself if you take his words at face value); and clouded the vision of 10,000 Jedi at the height of their powers.
I'm unconvinced a man with those sort of feats will succumb to Vitiate's psychic subjugation.
And as a combatant, Palpatine has far too many feats and accolades to ignore.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I know. The Loch Ness Monster stuff is old news.Maybe.
But the Emperor's telepathic powers are such that he enslaved ~20 billion citizens on Byss; manipulated an unknown number of Coruscant's population to facilitate the burial of the Lusankya, a Super Star Destroyer, beneath the planet's surface; erected psychic shields as an untrained child that blunted even Plagueis's attempts at psychic intrusion; dominated Marek, Luke, and Kam Solusar (and Plagueis himself if you take his words at face value); and clouded the vision of 10,000 Jedi at the height of their powers.
I'm unconvinced a man with those sort of feats will succumb to Vitiate's psychic subjugation.
And as a combatant, Palpatine has far too many feats and accolades to ignore.
And did battle with the Light Side of the Force.
'The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (SWTORE, Page 161)
Lolwut.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
But the Emperor's telepathic powers are such that he enslaved ~20 billion citizens on Byss; manipulated an unknown number of Coruscant's population to facilitate the burial of the Lusankya, a Super Star Destroyer, beneath the planet's surface; erected psychic shields as an untrained child that blunted even Plagueis's attempts at psychic intrusion; dominated Marek, Luke, and Kam Solusar (and Plagueis himself if you take his words at face value); and clouded the vision of 10,000 Jedi at the height of their powers.I'm unconvinced a man with those sort of feats will succumb to Vitiate's psychic subjugation.
And as a combatant, Palpatine has far too many feats and accolades to ignore.
The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries.
In addition,
Vitiate have very impressive combat feats.
He felled a Jedi Strike Team (including HOT) with his powers easily. This on a neutral setting.
First Son is possibly the most powerful minion of the Emperor among his Children. He is a master of the Force so his capabilities are not surprisingly incredible.
If it weren't for the timely arrival of Bersen'thor; Jedi Order would have been doomed (whole Galaxy actually).
Bersen'thor played the most crucial role in saving the Republic from the Sith Emperor.
Not entirely sure about that. I mean, the Hero of Tython did save every single being in the galaxy by stopping his ritual and defeating him. Plus S/he was the one who retook Corellia and essentially turned the tides of the entire war (Corellia was so costly for the Empire that it lost 10% of its whole forces).
Of course the Barsen'thors contributions with the plague, the First Son and the Rift Alliance is likely only second to the HoT, but the HoT's feats are hard to top.
all i did was read the novel, so maybe it lacks information I need, but since the emperor was unable to dominate revan's mind the second time when revan was ready and until scourge intervened, I'm thinking someone of a top tier ilk would have to be defeated in combat, other than being omgwtf mindraped. So when it came down to hand to hand combat, i'm not sure how that would pan out. just my 2cents, which admittedly aren't worth as much as they used to be.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not entirely sure about that. I mean, the Hero of Tython did save every single being in the galaxy by stopping his ritual and defeating him. Plus S/he was the one who retook Corellia and essentially turned the tides of the entire war (Corellia was so costly for the Empire that it lost 10% of its whole forces).Of course the Barsen'thors contributions with the plague, the First Son and the Rift Alliance is likely only second to the HoT, but the HoT's feats are hard to top.
Woah what? The Barsen'thor's victories on Corellia and securing of the Guardian Holds during the Empire's Invasion are the only reasons why the Republic was able to retake Corellia.
Originally posted by truejedi
all i did was read the novel, so maybe it lacks information I need, but since the emperor was unable to dominate revan's mind the second time when revan was ready and until scourge intervened, I'm thinking someone of a top tier ilk would have to be defeated in combat, other than being omgwtf mindraped. So when it came down to hand to hand combat, i'm not sure how that would pan out. just my 2cents, which admittedly aren't worth as much as they used to be.
You will need to explore SWTOR game a lot and buy SWTORE to learn about true extent of Vitiate's capabilities. Big task though.