Originally posted by NephthysLuke is much more powerful then Vitiate could ever dream of being. That's fact.
They could try. And fail.Luke isn't powerful enough to no-sell an attack of that magnitude. I said he might be capable of surviving it, but he'd be weakened and exhausted to the point that he'd just lose to Vitiate in the follow up fight.
Maybe Vitiate will get lucky and it will be sorta like the Lumiya vs Luke fight.
From Wookiepedia:
Oneness was the state of union with the Force. While under normal circumstances this could only be achieved after a Force-sensitive had died and passed into the Netherworld of the Force, this was not always the case. In some select circumstances living individuals managed to become an extension of the Force. They essentially became nothing more than an extension—a tool—of the Force, and were at a perfect calm.
GM Luke is the single strongest being in the EU mythos, outside the Ones. So if he achieves a state like that...where else can he go, but Ones Tier?
What counter evidence do you have?
Luke Skywalker: On the way to confront Supreme Overlord Shimrra he slew countless Yuuzhan Vong as well as many Slayers in a state that was described by his nephew Jacen Solo as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy that poured from a calm center. It was a maelstrom in which Skywalker did not appear to be present either physically or as an individual personality, having completely surrendered himself to the will of the Force.[7]
There's my citation. Where's yours?
He'll beat anyone(not the god (ish) beings obviously). His non prep feats already put him in top tier and even the biggest Vitiate hater admits that Vitiate is very good with preps/rituals. He amps and gives others immortality like its no big deal and can boost himself to a level where he can one-shot an entire Dark Council. Imgaine the boost he'd provide for himself in an the entire day he has.
24 hours is a very long time for a capable sorcerer. Dread Masters with 1 day prep would probably be too much for any individual as well and Vitiate is more dangerous than their combined strength.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
What counter evidence do you have?Luke Skywalker: On the way to confront Supreme Overlord Shimrra he slew countless Yuuzhan Vong as well as many Slayers in a state that was described by his nephew Jacen Solo as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy that poured from a calm center. It was a maelstrom in which Skywalker did not appear to be present either physically or as an individual personality, having completely surrendered himself to the will of the Force.[7]
There's my citation. Where's yours?
Although she rarely expressed her powers in the Force, the Daughter was a very powerful being. Like the rest of the Ones, she had no fixed material form,[1] and displayed the ability to change her shape at will, particularly by assuming the form of a large griffin. She also possessed telekinetic abilities, being able to throw the Son around the room where they were fighting. She also had healing abilities, which she used to try to heal her injured father. During her fight with the Son, the Daughter showed the ability to deflect and absorb Force lightning, deflecting every blast the Son shot at her, and even redirecting a bolt back at the Son. At the conclusion of their duel, the Daughter was able to match the Son's lightning with an equally powerful Force Push, and, while she never managed to overcome him, the Son also failed to penetrate his sister's defense, proving that they were evenly matched.
Only four beings were known to be strong enough to challenge the Daughter: the Father, the Son, the Mother (Abeloth), and the Chosen One, Anakin Skywalker.
Now then. If Anakin can get up to that level, it's a safe bet Luke can too. He just was never actually using Onenes against Aboleth, which is the only party of that family he's done battle with.
Can Vitiate with this much prep give Aboleth a rough time? Certainly. Can Luke with Oneness do the same? Absolutely. But let's not forget the point: That at extreme levels of play, the top tier beings will start approaching Ones Tier.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
[B]Although she rarely expressed her powers in the Force, the Daughter was a very powerful being. Like the rest of the Ones, she had no fixed material form,[1] and displayed the ability to change her shape at will, particularly by assuming the form of a large griffin. She also possessed telekinetic abilities, being able to throw the Son around the room where they were fighting. She also had healing abilities, which she used to try to heal her injured father. During her fight with the Son, the Daughter showed the ability to deflect and absorb Force lightning, deflecting every blast the Son shot at her, and even redirecting a bolt back at the Son. At the conclusion of their duel, the Daughter was able to match the Son's lightning with an equally powerful Force Push, and, while she never managed to overcome him, the Son also failed to penetrate his sister's defense, proving that they were evenly matched.Only four beings were known to be strong enough to challenge the Daughter: the Father, the Son, the Mother (Abeloth), and the Chosen One, Anakin Skywalker.
Now then. If Anakin can get up to that level, it's a safe bet Luke can too. He just was never actually using Onenes against Aboleth, which is the only party of that family he's done battle with.
Can Vitiate with this much prep give Aboleth a rough time? Certainly. Can Luke with Oneness do the same? Absolutely. But let's not forget the point: That at extreme levels of play, the top tier beings will start approaching Ones Tier.
I also like how Luke will magically go into Oneness during this duel.