Originally posted by Based
Might be fallacious but the guy had centuries of prep to conquer the Republic and failed. He's no Batman or anything.
Originally posted by Based
True but that would be due to the exploits of the Sith Triumvirate which was not a factor for him. While the planned end result was more of the same, he planned to have the Star Forge and Revan and Malak serving under him. He lost all three.
Originally posted by Based
So? If his level of foresight and planning was so great his plan B would have worked. Instead he had to wait extra centuries by entrusting this task to Revan. Vitiate miscalculated. Terribly.
Since Vitiate was attempting to mess with the Force in ways that others did not dared to; it backfired. The Force have its own will and it does not tolerates extremely powerful dark siders attempting to control it and create significant imbalance.
Originally posted by The Merchant
It was a joke, I assumed people would realize that since I later asked what order of power are Vitiate's minions.
Emperor's Wrath is surely a very formidable position to behold and Scourge was enhanced in every possible manner by the Sith Emperor to make it possible for him to hold this position. In short, Scourge is certainly very powerful as Emperor's Wrath.
However, First Son is another minion who is extraordinarily powerful. He is canonically a master of the Force; most powerful among the "children."
If the entire Empire is considered then some Dark Councilors take the cake; some of them are mind-bogglingly powerful.
In case of powerbase:-
1. Voice of the Emperor: a vessel of the Emperor who can wield Emperor's own power.
2. First Son (Leader of children of the Emperor)
3. Emperor's Wrath (best warrior within powerbase)
4. Imperial Guard
5. Hand of the Emperor
Originally posted by NephthysI do not have the guide, but IIRC it uses the d20 system, right? Is he defined as an aberration by the dnd rules in-game? If so, that would imply that physically, he can no longer be what we'd call "human".
'Dark Side Aberration' indicates that he is as I say. That he was originally human means nothing.
Son wtf pwns.
As does Abeloth.
While Vitiate had massive knowledge of powerful techniques, moreso than perhaps any other Sith, Abeloth and Son are super beings immune to said techniques.
More exotic techniques, with sufficient mastery, could overcome Vitiate, see Plagueis and his imagined potential implications of midi-chlorian manipulation. If midi-chlorians can give a dumb species immunity to Force Tricks such as a Jedi Mind Trick, it can do the same with more powerful techniques like Sever Force or even Drain Force. Though, Plagueis did not have that kind of mastery. Vitiate is still the most skilled Sorcerer.
Mace Windu could probably take him out, as could Luke Skywalker, they're too physically superior - as with Palps, Vitiate may be too versatile, lacking expedience to pull them off to win a duel with a combatant as capable as Windu or NJO Luke.
Originally posted by Dolos
Son wtf pwns.As does Abeloth.
Originally posted by Dolos
While Vitiate had massive knowledge of powerful techniques, moreso than perhaps any other Sith, Abeloth and Son are super beings immune to said techniques.
Originally posted by Dolos
More exotic techniques, with sufficient mastery, could overcome Vitiate, see Plagueis and his imagined potential implications of midi-chlorian manipulation. If midi-chlorians can give a dumb species immunity to Force Tricks such as a Jedi Mind Trick, it can do the same with more powerful techniques like Sever Force or even Drain Force. Though, Plagueis did not have that kind of mastery. Vitiate is still the most skilled Sorcerer.
Originally posted by Dolos
Mace Windu could probably take him out, as could Luke Skywalker, they're too physically superior - as with Palps, Vitiate may be too versatile, lacking expedience to pull them off to win a duel with a combatant as capable as Windu or NJO Luke.
No, Vitiate has no chance against Luke.
Windu could arguably take him out, simply because Windu excels at taking out Sith.
Abeloth lost pretty much every body to Luke, correct? (I have not cared much for the recent books)
Legend, the Son and Abeloth are literal incarnations of the Dark Side and Chaos, respectively. Only Anakin has bested the Son, and that while he was pretty much the Force itself. Abeloth has been beaten primarily by Luke, who has become more powerful than anybody short of Anakin's moment on Mortis.
"Extraordinarily effective" maybe, but sometimes that isn't enough. This would be the case against some of the people here, who are just so strong that Vitiate would have to be supremely effective at everything to beat.
I could see an argument for Palps to win as well.
Originally posted by Pwned
No, Vitiate has no chance against Luke.
Windu could arguably take him out, simply because Windu excels at taking out Sith.
Legend, the Son and Abeloth are literal incarnations of the Dark Side and Chaos, respectively. Only Anakin has bested the Son, and that while he was pretty much the Force itself. Abeloth has been beaten primarily by Luke, who has become more powerful than anybody short of Anakin's moment on Mortis.
Re: Darth Vitiate with prep vs Anyone
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is just a test to see the response. I'm merely curious about what you'll all say. mmmVitiate has a full day of prep and the fight occurs in his throne room. His opponent is anyone in Star Wars barring stupid responses like that sentient mountain. They do not have prep. Only one person allowed per fight.
What do you mean by "preps"? If anyone is allowed,then Nihilus eats Vitiate. The end! 🙂