While the HoT completely revitalized the Jedi on Corellia, taking command of all the Jedi on the planet and led them to to a stunning victory, turning the tide of the fight and retaking the Government District as well as many key parts of the planet. The Jedi turned the tides, with minimal casualties too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While the HoT completely revitalized the Jedi on Corellia, taking command of all the Jedi on the planet and led them to to a stunning victory, turning the tide of the fight and retaking the Government District as well as many key parts of the planet.
There would have been no retaking of Corellia were it not for the Barsen'thor. If the Guardian Holds fell, the Republic reinforcements would have found themselves with no ground to even think of retaking the planet. That much is made clear in their quests. The Empire even knowing of the Guardian Holds made the Republic command on Corellia shit themselves.
Also Barsen'thor took down the First Son, who was secretly commanding the Empire on Corellia, as well as assisted the Republic in slaying the three Dark Councilors in charge of the ops. As did the HoT, I know, but the Barsen'thor had a hand in the decapitation of Sith Command on Corellia, as well as gave the Repubilc a foothold on the planet to survive the invasion.
Originally posted by truejedi
all i did was read the novel, so maybe it lacks information I need, but since the emperor was unable to dominate revan's mind the second time when revan was ready and until scourge intervened, I'm thinking someone of a top tier ilk would have to be defeated in combat, other than being omgwtf mindraped. So when it came down to hand to hand combat, i'm not sure how that would pan out. just my 2cents, which admittedly aren't worth as much as they used to be.
My own opinion is that Revan was only able to stop him the second time because he was ready. He's previously mentioned knowing a way to shield his mind from Vitiate that he's figured out from experiencing Vitiates powers before, that he taught to Scourge and the Exile. I think it was this that gave him enough resistance to interrupt the Emperor. We see that with an unprotected mind earlier, Scourge's, the victim is instantly incapacitated upon contact with Vitiates mind. Yet Revan wasn't, in my opinion because he could shield himself from it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
There would have been no retaking of Corellia were it not for the Barsen'thor. If the Guardian Holds fell, the Republic reinforcements would have found themselves with no ground to even think of retaking the planet. That much is made clear in their quests. The Empire even knowing of the Guardian Holds made the Republic command on Corellia shit themselves.Also Barsen'thor took down the First Son, who was secretly commanding the Empire on Corellia, as well as assisted the Republic in slaying the three Dark Councilors in charge of the ops. As did the HoT, I know, but the Barsen'thor had a hand in the decapitation of Sith Command on Corellia, as well as gave the Repubilc a foothold on the planet to survive the invasion.
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One more thing: HoT received help from Emperor's Wrath to take down Sith Emperor. Without his help, this wouldn't have been possible.
So it is possible that Bersen'thor was most effective Jedi in history.
Satale Shan specifically says that the Hero of Tython is the Jedi's greatest champion, not the Barsen'thor. estahuh
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
There would have been no retaking of Corellia were it not for the Barsen'thor. If the Guardian Holds fell, the Republic reinforcements would have found themselves with no ground to even think of retaking the planet. That much is made clear in their quests. The Empire even knowing of the Guardian Holds made the Republic command on Corellia shit themselves.Also Barsen'thor took down the First Son, who was secretly commanding the Empire on Corellia, as well as assisted the Republic in slaying the three Dark Councilors in charge of the ops. As did the HoT, I know, but the Barsen'thor had a hand in the decapitation of Sith Command on Corellia, as well as gave the Repubilc a foothold on the planet to survive the invasion.
Fair enough, they can have joint credit. The Hero of Tython took down Tol Braga who somehow also was in secret command of the Empire on Corellia (lol). Though imo its more likely that the Hero of Tython took out Decimus and co, being the Supreme Commander of the Corellian forces and all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Fair enough, they can have joint credit. The Hero of Tython took down Tol Braga who somehow also was in secret command of the Empire on Corellia (lol). Though imo its more likely that the Hero of Tython took out Decimus and co, being the Supreme Commander of the Corellian forces and all.
You also take out two other Dark Council members in the same quest, Darth Acharon and Darth Hadra, Hadra and Decimus basically minutes after each other. Whomever canonically did it is a real beast.
Hadra's codex entry gives her some good talk in terms of power as I recall.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Satale Shan specifically says that the Hero of Tython is the Jedi's greatest champion, not the Barsen'thor. estahuh
And she names the Barsen'thor to the Jedi Council. HoT's accomplishments were more martial and symbolic. Strategically though what the Barsen'thor and "Mender of the Rift" did shits all over the HoT.
He got the Rift Alliance to join the war, and stopped the Republic from losing valuable systems. Those systems fleets and armies then assisted in holding Corellia. Let's not even talk about what strategic value knocking out the Children of the Emperor was.
Fair enough, they can have joint credit. The Hero of Tython took down Tol Braga who somehow also was in secret command of the Empire on Corellia (lol). Though imo its more likely that the Hero of Tython took out Decimus and co, being the Supreme Commander of the Corellian forces and all.
Lol Tol Braga had secret command of the Empire on Corellia over the Emperor's first son? (lol not likely)
I think that it was all four. That's the only way I can justify four Dark Council members getting curbstomped one after another.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And she names the Barsen'thor to the Jedi Council. HoT's accomplishments were more martial and symbolic. Strategically though what the Barsen'thor and "Mender of the Rift" did shits all over the HoT.He got the Rift Alliance to join the war, and stopped the Republic from losing valuable systems. Those systems fleets and armies then assisted in holding Corellia. Let's not even talk about what strategic value knocking out the Children of the Emperor was.
You want to talk strategic value? How about stopping the Emperor from killing every living being everywhere. Thats pretty strategically powerful IMO. Not to mention that it sparked Malgus' rebellion and all that entails. Also the Hero did save Coruscant from being retaken by the Empire and saved Belsavis, Voss, Tatooine and Tython from total destruction. Symbolic my ass.
Also when I started Makeb I seem to recall whatsherface Supreme Chancellor Suresh refer to me as the Republics best asset. So yeah. Strategic. (Although she might just say that to all the Republic heroes, the ****)
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Lol Tol Braga had secret command of the Empire on Corellia over the Emperor's first son? (lol not likely)I think that it was all four. That's the only way I can justify four Dark Council members getting curbstomped one after another.
Yes. Tol Braga's mission was vastly more important than the First Son's, i.e. Vitiate complete life eradication ritual.
HoT received lot of help and insight from Emperor's Wrath. The traitor practically set the stage for downfall of Vitiate since he knew too much and his information too important.
So credit does not solely goes to HoT; yes, he still played a pivotal role in saving the entire Galaxy since he accomplished seemingly impossible tasks.
In contrast, Bersen'thor possessed innate capability to figure out fault-lines in galactic events that may have changed the fate of the Galaxy as well. If Bersen'thor had not stopped First Son, he would have destroyed the Jedi Order from within and aided Vitiate to accomplish his ultimate goal.
Nonetheless, both of these "champions of light" have unprecedented accomplishments under their belt.