Originally posted by Zack Mgood technique in that first scan, but no much to go off of.
Shiva owning Batman (DCnU/rejuvenated Batman, at that)Ra's knows magic.
And she beat this team on panel?
Not applicable to this fight and fairly off topic.
Originally posted by Zack MI did read what you wrote and while it's true that Marvel doesn't own a monopoly on magic using martial artists, I'd prefer that we stay on topic.
Read what I wrote to the other poster.
Yeah, she basically held off the team. It's not the first time she beat a slew of streets, either. I think it was Ra's who shot her, while she was distracted. I'll need to double check. Either way, she owned one of the toughest martial artists in comics. I don't see Shang doing that, especially after DC said Batman was a meta.
Originally posted by Zack M😂
Yeah, she basically held off the team. It's not the first time she beat a slew of streets, either. I think it was Ra's who shot her, while she was distracted. I'll need to double check. Either way, she owned one of the toughest martial artists in comics. I don't see Shang doing that, especially after DC said Batman was a meta.
Tanks a bear hug from the thing.
https://m.imgur.com/plTqnuN
Blocks a punch from a bloodlusted Heroim.
https://m.imgur.com/NS5LjrC
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713521?list=post-94595957_5795
And he's still conscious after getting slammed into Tarantula too. Please notice her statement. Just getting barely tapped by Heroin was enough to nearly knock her out and take her out of fighting condition. This is after he got backhanded by Heroim too.
Kicks Rulk into a mountain.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713493?list=post-94595957_5795
Easily goes through an Aleph.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713661?list=post-94595957_5795
Beats on Gorgon better than Elektra and Wolverine did. Note how he can draw on the skills of past martial arts TS and even use chi blasts.
https://m.imgur.com/TantRC0
https://m.imgur.com/ksuMUQj
https://m.imgur.com/PtxEqg0
Uses the environment to beat Wolverine.
https://m.imgur.com/TpAxz9t
https://m.imgur.com/iDoLMhm
Owns three villains at once (one of whom gave spider-man trouble).
https://m.imgur.com/STT4BPl
Zaran is a bullet timer.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/326b3274e8fe6e258cc4343a6ef49b925c7a9568_hq.jpg
Shang easily beats him.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/f2b844a0087b100bf323fc9cbb4bc6bf4583fdad_hq.jpg
Shang owns a few villains including a doombot.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712683?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712688?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712690?list=post-94595957_5792&z=photo-94595957_412712690%2Fpost-94595957_5792
Originally posted by deathslash
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He can apparently chew through steel.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/599382fa64eb2c32df93e5b256c1b5c50ca79a2d_hq.jpgTanks a bear hug from the thing.
https://m.imgur.com/plTqnuNBlocks a punch from a bloodlusted Heroim.
https://m.imgur.com/NS5LjrC
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713521?list=post-94595957_5795
And he's still conscious after getting slammed into Tarantula too. Please notice her statement. Just getting barely tapped by Heroin was enough to nearly knock her out and take her out of fighting condition. This is after he got backhanded by Heroim too.Kicks Rulk into a mountain.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713493?list=post-94595957_5795Easily goes through an Aleph.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713661?list=post-94595957_5795Beats on Gorgon better than Elektra and Wolverine did. Note how he can draw on the skills of past martial arts TS and even use chi blasts.
https://m.imgur.com/TantRC0
https://m.imgur.com/ksuMUQj
https://m.imgur.com/PtxEqg0Uses the environment to beat Wolverine.
https://m.imgur.com/TpAxz9t
https://m.imgur.com/iDoLMhmOwns three villains at once (one of whom gave spider-man trouble).
https://m.imgur.com/STT4BPlZaran is a bullet timer.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/326b3274e8fe6e258cc4343a6ef49b925c7a9568_hq.jpgShang easily beats him.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/f2b844a0087b100bf323fc9cbb4bc6bf4583fdad_hq.jpgShang owns a few villains including a doombot.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712683?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712688?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712690?list=post-94595957_5792&z=photo-94595957_412712690%2Fpost-94595957_5792
Those are good feats against non skilled opponents, but has Shang owned someone on Batman level? Cassandra level?
Originally posted by Zack M*unskilled
Those are good feats against non skilled opponents, but has Shang owned someone on Batman level? Cassandra level?
*Unskilled
*Zaran blocks a barrage of bullets with curved swords
*Unskilled
*Uses the evironment to gain the upper hand against Wolverine
Originally posted by deathslash
*unskilled
*Gorgon easily owned Wolverine and Elektra*Unskilled
*Zaran blocks a barrage of bullets with curved swords*Unskilled
*Uses the evironment to gain the upper hand against Wolverine
He didn't really own Gorgon, though. He eventually lost. Zaran? Not as skilled as Shiva.
Originally posted by Zack Mthe fact that he lost doesn't diminish the fact that Gorgon had more trouble with him than he had against wolverine and Elektra combined. It doesn't diminish the fact that he dropped him to a knee; the very same guy that isn't even annoyed with getting gutted or punch by multi tonners got dropped to his knee.
He didn't really own Gorgon, though. He eventually lost. Zaran? Not as skilled as Shiva.
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Don't change goalposts. You said "unskilled" opponents. I easily proved you wrong by bringing up that the supposedly "unskilled" guy that blocks a barrage of bullets with swords is the exact opposite of what you claimed him to be.
I also have yet to see you bring up Shang getting the advantage over Logan or stalemating Iron Fist.
Here's another example of his skill. He has a solid advantage over Ghost Maker. It gets to the point where GM has to forgo honor and use weaponry to survive/escape.
https://m.imgur.com/a/rdb8H
Shang got two of his ribs broken when he was distracted and still easily beat him.
For reference, here's Daredevil and then Elektra and daredevil vs Ghost Maker.
https://m.imgur.com/a/mnGSz
Matt was on the losing end of the fight and Elektra and Matt together had a tough time against him.
Originally posted by deathslash
the fact that he lost doesn't diminish the fact that Gorgon had more trouble with him than he had against wolverine and Elektra combined. It doesn't diminish the fact that he dropped him to a knee; the very same guy that isn't even annoyed with getting gutted or punch by multi tonners got dropped to his knee.😬
Don't change goalposts. You said "unskilled" opponents. I easily proved you wrong by bringing up that the supposedly "unskilled" guy that blocks a barrage of bullets with swords is the exact opposite of what you claimed him to be.I also have yet to see you bring up Shang getting the advantage over Logan or stalemating Iron Fist.
Here's another example of his skill. He has a solid advantage over Ghost Maker. It gets to the point where GM has to forgo honor and use weaponry to survive/escape.
https://m.imgur.com/a/rdb8H
Shang got two of his ribs broken when he was distracted and still easily beat him.For reference, here's Daredevil and then Elektra and daredevil vs Ghost Maker.
https://m.imgur.com/a/mnGSzMatt was on the losing end of the fight and Elektra and Matt [b]together
had a tough time against him. [/B]
I wouldn't say any of those are as skilled as Bruce. Shiva also had an easy time fighting off his team, which I don't see Shang doing.
Originally posted by Zack Malright then. I see that your opinion forms the foundation of who you believe wins this fight, so I'm just going to stop trying to reason with you. 😐
I wouldn't say any of those are as skilled as Bruce. Shiva also had an easy time fighting off his team, which I don't see Shang doing.
Originally posted by deathslash
alright then. I see that your opinion forms the foundation of who you believe wins this fight, so I'm just going to stop trying to reason with you. 😐
You've given some good chi feats and whatnot, but some streets (Cassandra) have the same feats. Shiva owned them. I don't see Shang having a solid majority. Not at all. You'd be a fool for thinking that.
Originally posted by Zack Mif that's what it takes to help you sleep at night, then sure, shang can't win. It's not like he easily owned a martial artist that gave Elektra and Daredevil a tough fight (while weakened). He totally doesn't posses the ability to chi amp to the point where he can oneshot her. He absolutely didn't floor a martial artist to that kicked the crap out of Wolverine and Elektra at the same time or anything. He most certainly doesn't have the durability to walk off hits from 50 tonners or anything. It's not like Shiva lacks any actual superhuman feats like he has or anything.
You've given some good chi feats and whatnot, but some streets (Cassandra) have the same feats. Shiva owned them. I don't see Shang having a solid majority. Not at all. You'd be a fool for thinking that.
If you want to keep on believing that the girl that only has skill and nothing else beats the guy that has skill, mystical powers, and the ability to amp himself to superhuman levels, that's fine by me. But I won't continue to sit here and list feat after feat that puts Shang above the person that you're backing only for you to reply with "hmmmm.......... but I don't think it's that impressive, so Shiva wins.".
