Shang Chi vs Lady Shiva

Originally posted by deathslash
if that's what it takes to help you sleep at night, then sure, shang can't win. It's not like he easily owned a martial artist that gave Elektra and Daredevil a tough fight (while weakened). He totally doesn't posses the ability to chi amp to the point where he can oneshot her. He absolutely didn't floor a martial artist to that kicked the crap out of Wolverine and Elektra at the same time or anything. He most certainly doesn't have the durability to walk off hits from 50 tonners or anything. It's not like Shiva lacks any actual superhuman feats like he has or anything.

If you want to keep on believing that the girl that only has skill and nothing else beats the guy that has skill, mystical powers, and the ability to amp himself to superhuman levels, that's fine by me. But I won't continue to sit here and list feat after feat that puts Shang above the person that you're backing only for you to reply with "hmmmm.......... but I don't think it's that impressive, so Shiva wins.".

Then show it. Who has he owned that is equal to Batman and Cassandra Cain? I never said Shang couldn't win, but he won't win the majority against the likes of Shiva.

BTW, walking away from 50 tonners? Batman has taken hits from WONDER WOMAN. That's cute, deathlash. 😂

Oh, and Batman has done decently well against Karate Kid. This is the type of fighter Shiva OWNED.

Originally posted by Zack M
BTW, walking away from 50 tonners? Batman has taken hits from WONDER WOMAN. That's cute, deathlash. 😂

Oh, and Batman has done decently well against Karate Kid. This is the type of fighter Shiva OWNED.

Shiva doesn't get Batman feats any more than Shang gets Spiderman or Iron Fist both who he has stalemated.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Shiva doesn't get Batman feats any more than Shang gets Spiderman or Iron Fist both who he has stalemated.

My point is that taking hits from 50 tonners isn't really going to dictate the fight or mean much, because Shiva has ways to kill Shang through skill. Batman has tanked hits from 100 tonners and he was at Shiva's mercy. And it wasn't all that hard for her, too.

And let's not forget that Batman has beaten her one on one and Cass has done the same.

Again playing that game tho Shang made Spider-man see stars, dodged a couple of his attacks at close range, cut his webbing with just his fists, and evenly exchange blows with him.

https://imgur.com/a/bm5Uq

Shiva said the only reason they won the previous times, is because she let them. 😉

She could have easily killed the Bat-Family.

Originally posted by Zack M
Shiva said the only reason they won the previous times, is because she let them. 😉

She could have easily killed the Bat-Family.

And you believe that 😂 That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that 😂 That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

None of Shang's feats hold a candle to Batman and Shiva easily owned him.

Shang gets his shit kicked in.

Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that 😂 That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174288-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-018.jpg

Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye.

Hated that scene. Makes it look like he was outplayed, when he was actually betrayed by Sue.

Wasn't Vision on Steve's team? Couldn't he phase through shields?

Interesting. Punching clones for one panel means beating them.

Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that 😂 That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

Maybe. How can you go from losing to Batman to utterly owning him? Its not like she was amped or anything.

Originally posted by abhilegend
None of Shang's feats hold a candle to Batman and Shiva easily owned him.

Shang gets his shit kicked in.

Opinion presented as fact.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was mindcontrolled. Although it's better than Old man Steve beating two of Shang's clones who had his skills or Wolverine beating him in one page.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
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Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye.

Strix isn't a low feat. She has a good healing factor and decades worth of experience. She took down the entire Birds of Prey for crying out loud. She'd give Shang a run for his money, too.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Interesting. Punching clones for one panel means beating them.

It's the same thing as Prometheus using Batman's skills and being beaten by Cap. Or Thor beating a Thanos clone. Or a team of Cage, Logan, and Iron Fist beating a Thor clone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was mindcontrolled. Although it's better than Old man Steve beating two of Shang's clones who had his skills or Wolverine beating him in one page.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174288-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-018.jpg

Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye.

lol really a clone, that's your best attempt to low ball Shang. Especially when the real Shang had a very even although brief sparring match with Steve.

lol again Shang didn't even know who Wolverine was, and this was feral Wolverine. Plus Shang had just fought a gang of Ninjas with high tech weapons. Shang has since defeated Wolverine using the environment and Logan even went to Shang to re-train him in martial arts. The most important thing though is that Wolverine would beat Shiva, so that has no bearing on this match.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/148145420185/shang-chi-vs-wolverine-from-x-men-1991-62

Originally posted by cdtm
It's the same thing as Prometheus using Batman's skills and being beaten by Cap. Or Thor beating a Thanos clone. Or a team of Cage, Logan, and Iron Fist beating a Thor clone.

A shang clone isn't Shang, is mine. Not unless beating Ragnarok is the same as beating Thor.

Originally posted by cdtm
A shang clone isn't Shang, is mine. Not unless beating Ragnarok is the same as beating Thor.

I was merely pointing out that even the panel itself was so inconclusive and just silly to extrapolate wins and losses from it. Aside from them being clones, it was just one indeterminate panel of which was part of a messy big team battle.