Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You should have just agreed with me from the get go. There would have been no need to go to all the effort to confirm what was obvious: Surfer fought a more powerful Champion than Ben did.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not what you're saying. Surfer stood up to Mu mostly because Mu's MO i.e absorbing other's energies failed to work on him. BTW having your ass kicked isn't a showing of power, it never is otherwise Sodam Yat wouldn't be the joke he is. Surfer stood up despite Mu cracking up his skin and other shit like that. Good for his stubbornness.Now you're counting up that scientist taking upon Fodder troops too? Where did they capture Earth's heroes by their own?
Why not? Surfer fans love to do it.
Smh...
You've got to be the most disingenuous poster here next to Quan. You clearly have this comic in your possession, have the nerve to say I need to re-read it, and then ask where Mu's soldiers captured Earth's heroes by their own? It's on pages 19-21 just after Surfer's encounter with Reed, which you know because you posted the pages just before it occurred where Surfer is having mental issues and crashes into the meteor storm (in an attempt to again low ball Surfer) then crash lands into Reed's house.
Here:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-075_zps402be1a0.jpg - Troop teleports into Reed's house and captures Reed.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-076_zpsc25983e0.jpg - Splash page depicting Namor, Dr. Doom, Spider-Man, Colossus, Klaw, Human Torch, etc, being captured by individual members of Mu's trooper brigade.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-077_zps0d472fd6.jpg - Page showing all of the heroes and villains the troopers captured in chains being led to Mu on his ship, among them Thor, Hulk, Thing, and She Hulk.
Those "fodder troops" individually took down every Marvel heavy hitter except Surfer.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Smh...You've got to be the most disingenuous poster here next to Quan. You clearly have this comic in your possession, have the nerve to say I need to re-read it, and then ask where Mu's soldiers captured Earth's heroes by their own? It's on pages 19-21 just after Surfer's encounter with Reed, which you know because you posted the pages just before it occurred where Surfer is having mental issues and crashes into the meteor storm (in an attempt to again low ball Surfer) then crash lands into Reed's house.
Here:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-075_zps402be1a0.jpg - Troop teleports into Reed's house and captures Reed.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-076_zpsc25983e0.jpg - Splash page depicting Namor, Dr. Doom, Spider-Man, Colossus, Klaw, Human Torch, etc, being captured by individual members of Mu's trooper brigade.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-077_zps0d472fd6.jpg - Page showing all of the heroes and villains the troopers captured in chains being led to Mu on his ship, among them Thor, Hulk, Thing, and She Hulk.
Those "fodder troops" individually took down every Marvel heavy hitter [b]except
Surfer. [/B]
At least Abhi admitted he was wrong.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Smh...You've got to be the most disingenuous poster here next to Quan. You clearly have this comic in your possession, have the nerve to say I need to re-read it, and then ask where Mu's soldiers captured Earth's heroes by their own? It's on pages 19-21 just after Surfer's encounter with Reed, which you know because you posted the pages just before it occurred where Surfer is having mental issues and crashes into the meteor storm (in an attempt to again low ball Surfer) then crash lands into Reed's house.
Here:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-075_zps402be1a0.jpg - Troop teleports into Reed's house and captures Reed.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-076_zpsc25983e0.jpg - Splash page depicting Namor, Dr. Doom, Spider-Man, Colossus, Klaw, Human Torch, etc, being captured by individual members of Mu's trooper brigade.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-077_zps0d472fd6.jpg - Page showing all of the heroes and villains the troopers captured in chains being led to Mu on his ship, among them Thor, Hulk, Thing, and She Hulk.
Those "fodder troops" individually took down every Marvel heavy hitter [b]except
Surfer. [/B]
That's all he did. So this is all together false.
That half Surfer powered Scientist was able to take on Mu's troops
Now shall we see how much punishment surfer took, shall we?
Surfer attacks and it is as futile as if a mosquito bites Mrrungo, he laughs and fires a blast from his finger, tries to absorb surfer's power and fails, surfer gets free due to Mu's distraction and gets oneshotted for all his trouble. It was said "Surfer was all but destroyed by that one attack".
Nice way to endure, isn't it delph? Surfer gets his power back, surprises Mu and destroy the power source of Mu.
That's the end of your "all the powers of earth's heroes" Mrrungo-Mu. Conclusion? Surfer at half his power got nearly killed by a single attack and at full power defeated a powerless Mrrungo-Mu. Quite disingenuous of you to compare this to Kyle straight up defeating Amazo 2000, isn't it? Well you are quan's partner after all, you would know about it all. Also a huge lulz @ this herd trailing after me.
Originally posted by janus77
compared to base-level kmc even.Surfer doesn't need the help... It's self-evident that Surfer beats Superman.
Like he beat Cyborg Superman, a clear inferior to superman, right? Or that puny god who caves his head in every time?
Yes, it is a nice way to endure. If you'd take your Kryptonite tinted glasses off for a moment you'd be able to see that feat for what it really is rather than attempting to spin it. Mrrungo Mu had the power of billions upon billions of aliens and all of Earth's heroes/villains being channeled into him. He was a very high end cosmic and one-shotted a gathering of cl 100 characters with a single backhand. -
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-079_zps69b60439.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-080_zps99ff568b.jpg
Thor, Doc Samson, Thing, Colossus, She Hulk, and Rogue all one shotted with a simple pimp slap. The only members of that assemblage left standing were Namor and Hulk, and they immediately were sonned as well.
Surfer gave away half of his power to the Scientist and traded several blows with Mu, the same Mu that casual laid out that entire ensemblage with a slap as depicted above. You continue to be disingenuous because you're mischaracterizing what I said as well as the situation that occurred on panel in your neverending quest to downplay Marvel character's feats. Here's my original posts:
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Surfer beat Mrrungo Mu who had the power of billions of enslaved aliens from thousands of worlds as well as the powers of most of Earth's heroes and villains. On panel Mu absorbed the powers of Thing and Thor iirc [might have been Colossus or Namor though, been awhile since I've read The Enslavers], then he put the rest of Earth's superhumans in pins that drained them of their powers and fed their powers to him.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
He had given half of his power to a scientist in order for said scientist to go up to Mu's ship and cut him off the power source. At half power Surfer stood up to Mu, a being that one-shotted Thor, Hulk, Namor, and Colossus, and was said to be in the lower range of the weight class of Galactus. Surfer was being beaten (at half power), but lasted long enough for the scientist to complete the task Surfer had given him, then when he (Surfer) was restored to full power he had Mu on his knees.That's the full context.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
You realize your scans and your post simply reiterate what I already said, right?I admit my recollection of the comic isn't perfect as it's been a few years since I've read it, but I specifically remember Mu lulzing at Wolverine trying to slash him and swatting him away, casually laying out She Hulk, Rogue, Colossus, Thing, and I think Power Man with a single backhanded pimp slap that laid the entire group out in one swipe, and then laughing off a full on assault from Hulk and Namor before sonning them as well. Surfer at half power lasted against that same cat's attacks long enough for his other half to engage in an assault on Mu's ship and bring down it's shielding. Then Surfer cut him off from the ship and sonned him. I even said as much in my previous post.
I also disagree that it's not a showing of power. In that sequence Surfer showed himself to be able to endow another being with half of his power. That half Surfer powered Scientist was able to take on Mu's troops, the same troops that were able to take down and capture all of Earth's heroes and villains (among them Dr. Doom, who was depicted being captured and in chains), while Surfer at half power was resilient enough to survive a beating from a being that had the combined power of billions upon billions of aliens and the combined might of Earth's heroes and villains.
Everything I stated is depicted in the comic. The half powered Surfer Scientist went on an assault of Mu's ship to cut Mu off from his power source (pg 59 and 61), as I stated in my 2nd post, and Surfer at half power stood up to Mu, a being that had casually one-shotted a group of cl 100s, long enough for the scientist to complete his mission, as depicted in the comic. The troops on Mu's ship were capable of one-shotting all of Earth's heroes themselves as depicted in the splash page on page 20 which I posted.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-115_zps0b3cc484.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-117_zpsa0244305.jpg
Pages 59 and 61 show this. While the art does not depict a protracted battle (as it show's Surfer Scientist swiftly moving through the battlefied to his objective) it was shown in this comic that those troopers were capable of downing all of Surfer's peers effortlessly. The first and second panel of page 61 show the half powered Scientist taking the offensive on the troops, and the second panel even shows one of the troopers being taken out by the Scientists blast (in the background of the trooper firing on the Scientist, and the Scientist not being downed by the blast like all of Surfer's peers were, while at half power).
This isn't an issue of differing interpretation, this is an issue with your very apparent, and hence disingenuous, agenda. It's really sad.
Originally posted by MF DELPHSurfer also got oneshotted and was near death. Oneshotted=/=oneshotted and being near death. Nice logic delph.
Yes, it is a nice way to endure. If you'd take your Kryptonite tinted glasses off for a moment you'd be able to see that feat for what it really is rather than attempting to spin it. Mrrungo Mu had the power of billions upon billions of aliens and all of Earth's heroes/villains being channeled into him. He was a very high end cosmic and one-shotted a gathering of cl 100 characters with a single backhand. -http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-079_zps69b60439.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-080_zps99ff568b.jpg
Thor, Doc Samson, Thing, Colossus, She Hulk, and Rogue all one shotted with a simple pimp slap. The only members of that assemblage left standing were Namor and Hulk, and they immediately were sonned as well.Thor wasn't there. Look again or go see a good doctor. Post the whole fight since I don't have the comic atm.
Surfer gave away half of his power to the Scientist and traded several blows with Mu, the same Mu that casual laid out that entire ensemblage with a slap as depicted above.Blatant lie. You are either blind or aren't looking hard enough. Surfer didn't trade any blow with Mu. He survived the blast from a finger and then got oneshotted.
You continue to be disingenuous because you're mischaracterizing what I said as well as the situation that occurred on panel in your neverending quest to downplay Marvel character's feats.Haha, this is the most ironic post ever. You are a self admitted Superman hater and now you're accusing me of downplaying marvel character when you do that to superman every chance you get. I am not downplaying surfer btw.
Here's my original posts:I read them just fine. Thank you.
Everything I stated is depicted in the comic. The half powered Surfer Scientist went on an assault of Mu's ship to cut Mu off from his power source (pg 59 and 61), as I stated in my 2nd post, and Surfer at half power stood up to Mu, a being that had casually one-shotted a group of cl 100s, long enough for the scientist to complete his mission, as depicted in the comic. The troops on Mu's ship were capable of one-shotting all of Earth's heroes themselves as depicted in the splash page on page 20 which I posted.Again lying despite all the evidence in front of you. The scientist never engaged any of Mu's troop in battle and Surfer got oneshotted.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-115_zps0b3cc484.jpgThose are not Mu's troops. Those are just random crews of Mu's ship. The scientist only fires a blast at a troop here and it misses. Then he uses a diversion to reach the forcefield
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-117_zpsa0244305.jpgPages 59 and 61 show this. While the art does not depict a protracted battle (as it show's Surfer Scientist swiftly moving through the battlefied to his objective) it was shown in this comic that those troopers were capable of downing all of Surfer's peers effortlessly.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16122531/ss_enslavers_63.jpg.html
The first and second panel of page 61 show the half powered Scientist taking the offensive on the troops, and the second panel even shows one of the troopers being taken out by the Scientists blast (in the background of the trooper firing on the Scientist, and the Scientist not being downed by the blast like all of Surfer's peers were, while at half power).That was not a troop, it was a crew of Mu's ship who was jumping down from the point where the scientist's attack impacted and he dodges the ray unless you think it ripped his thigh apart and strikes at the other way.
This isn't an issue of differing interpretation, this is an issue with your very apparent, and hence disingenuous, agenda. It's really sad.Very rich coming from you. I would recommend a good doctor for your eyes if you are not seeing properly.
Smh...
Yeah, this conversation is over. Thank you Abhi.
For the benefit of those who don't have this comic in their possession and can honestly read it's contents without a company vs company agenda, here:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/...zps69b60439.jpg - Assemblage of the class 100s led to Mu after being captured. Thor is clearly shown in panels 1 (in shackles, standing next to She Hulk), 4 (again in shackles standing next to She Hulk on her left), and 5 (Thor's shown pushing his way in front of Hulk to engage Mu).
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/...zps99ff568b.jpg - After Wolverine gets humiliated in is jumping slash attempt the remaining class 100s dogpile Mu from all directions. Mu lays them all out with one epic pimp slap. Now note, there appears to be an editorial mistake in the artwork in this sequence. If you look closely at the page it appears that Namor is among the group of Class 100s that are laid out by the backhand in panel 5. However, on the very next page:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-081_zpsfacc32cf.jpg - You can see the entire assembled group laid out on the floor from the slap except for Namor and Hulk, and Namor is depicted to have been standing back from the engagement group which was laid out by the slap with Hulk. Namor even comments "He felled them with a casual backhand blow". This sequence can be interpreted as:
A) Namor was the only member of the group that jumped Mu and was unfazed by the slap unlike his peers, and the slap somehow placed him back at Hulk's position.
B) A mistake was made in the art. Namor was shown in the group rather than Thor, though after the slap from Mu Thor is apparently among the group of people lying on the floor since Namor and Hulk are the only people left standing.
C) Namor was in two places at once and Thor didn't enter the fight at all.
My position is B, but it's open to interpretation.
Mu Vs. Surfer:
The fight between Mu and Surfer is intermixed with cut aways to the Scientist Surfer (Earl Weygand) which Surfer gives half of his power to in order for the scientist to go up to Mu's ship and cut Mu off from his power source. Here's the entire sequence unedited and uncropped:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-110_zpse7c8bf94.jpg - Surfer takes out troopers in Mu's ballroom
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-111_zpsade734a5.jpg - Mu challenges Surfer to single's combat. Surfer here uses his cosmic awareness to seek out someone to help him with his plan. Mu thinks he's mentally prepping for battle.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-112_zps6012fda5.jpg - Surfer channels half of his power into Earl Weygand, the Scientist who originally made contact with Mu and went on TV saying to welcome the aliens.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-113_zps63989761.jpg - Surfer (now at half power) blasts Mu to zero effect. Mu laughs it off and blasts Surfer away with his pinky, sending him careening through several buildings. Note that Surfer, at half power, was not one-shotted by Mu.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-114_zpsc1a2b57f.jpg - Surfer on the ground after Mu's blast saying the more Mu gloats the more time he buys for the Scientist to carry out his plan. On this page we see Weygand transform into the Surfer as Surfer telepathically clues him in on his plan.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-115_zps1bc79a31.jpg - The Scientist attacks Mu's ship. Mu's crew believe he is running for his life from Mu and arrogantly believe they can take him and drop their shields to fire on him, which turns out to be a mistake.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-116_zpsb4566244.jpg - Scene cuts back to Surfer. fighting Mu. Surfer blasts and charges Mu to no effect. Mu grabs Surfer and attempts to absorb the Power Cosmic.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-117_zpsd168180e.jpg - Scene cuts back to Scientist fighting past Mu's troops to make his way to the generators.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-118_zpsca43cbfb.jpg - Mu realizes he can't absorb Surfer's power. Surfer breaks free from Mu's grasp but Mu blasts the shit out of him breaking Surfer's board and cracking his shell as well as sending Surfer flying across the city. Mu celebrates thinking he can drop the mic on this one.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-119_zps3a60ba7b.jpg - Scientist arrives at the generators but doesn't have enough juice to bring the shield down. He decides to sacrifice himself to bring the thing down and dives into the barrier.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-120_zps6e7dbd49.jpg - The energy leave the scientist as pile of ash but it shorts out the barrier. Mu stands over Surfer who appears to be leaking Power Cosmic from the cracks in his silver skin. Mu moves in for the kill.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-121_zps975b617b.jpg - The power Surfer has given to Weygand returns to him. Back at full power Surfer fires a blast at Mu's ship damaging his generator. It's Morphin' Time.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-122_zps4d8fe922.jpg - On the ship Mu's crew is in utter chaos from all the damage the Scientist and Surfer have caused. The generators are offline.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-123_zpsfc082f8d.jpg - Mu's pissed. Surfer engages Mu with the power being fed to him cut off. Mu remarks that even without the power of a billion billion slaves I'm still master of all and knocks Surfer back.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-124_zpsb454c316.jpg - Shalla Bal is afraid because even without his Django Unchained slave master powers Mrrungo Mu is still a planet buster. Mu says that while Galactus gave Surfer power Mu was born with his power and no man is his equal (usual villain bragging). The two trade blasts and blows, then go all out in the last panel.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-125_zpsac663fc8.jpg - Mu is eventually overwhelmed for the first time ever and can't believe it. Surfer drops him.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-126_zps4433d9c0.jpg - Surfer is about to kill Mu but Mu's bottom chick (who Surfer smashed in this story, btw) begs for mercy.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-127_zpsad49f888.jpg - Surfer calms down and hugs Shalla Bal
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-128_zps1ff41fb3.jpg - Surfer uses the power cosmic to repair all the damage on Planet Earth caused by the Enslaver invasion.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/illadelph12_prime/SSP-129_zps1053143b.jpg - Surfer is met by all of the Earth's heroes whose asses he just saved.
Fin.
