Originally posted by Oliver NorthAdditionally, it seems more like he will say something ridiculous, people will respond to it, and you will come back with "but he could have meant this", at which point Cyner begins to dick ride your clarification because it makes him look less ridiculous.
I never see DDD sticking up for me, you, or Sym, so I guess that means we don't say anything stupid.
Or he hates us.
Look I'm pretty honest with you guys, and until a few posts ago I didn't even acknowledge what ddm was saying. Maybe I'm not the best at expressing thoughts or ideas in writing but what doesn't help is your ridiculous twisting of what I say to make it fit your preconceived notion of my overall beliefs because if I said "X" then what I must mean is "Y". Having thoughts outside of common beliefs on one side or the other seems nearly impossible but it happens. I can't fault you too much though because I get the same sort of reactions when I argue for abortion rights with righties.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think that's limited to this discussion. DDD seems habitually disposed to playing devil's advocate for people whose stupidity or bigotry (or both) makes them say ridiculous things.I never see DDD sticking up for me, you, or Sym, so I guess that means we don't say anything stupid.
Or he hates us.
DDM's a very effective troll.
Originally posted by Cyner
Look I'm pretty honest with you guys, and until a few posts ago I didn't even acknowledge what ddm was saying. Maybe I'm not the best at expressing thoughts or ideas in writing but what doesn't help is your ridiculous twisting of what I say to make it fit your preconceived notion of my overall beliefs because if I said "X" then what I must mean is "Y". Having thoughts outside of common beliefs on one side or the other seems nearly impossible but it happens. I can't fault you too much though because I get the same sort of reactions when I argue for abortion rights with righties.
Jokes aside, from what you've said and the stances you've taken, you come off as a narrow minded bigot. Maybe you're not at all, but that's what you're conveying.
Originally posted by Oliver North
Additionally, it seems more like he will say something ridiculous, people will respond to it,
I'd note that he did so, on purpose, to create controversy.
Originally posted by Oliver North
and you will come back with "but he could have meant this",
No, "He clearly did not mean it to be this."
Originally posted by Oliver North
at which point Cyner begins to dick ride your clarification because it makes him look less ridiculous.
I agree which is why I stopped. 😐
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think that's limited to this discussion. DDD seems habitually disposed to playing devil's advocate for people whose stupidity or bigotry (or both) makes them say ridiculous things.
That's because this place has lots of posters that seem to really really play the high and mighty pedantic position. In fact, this place is one of the worst if not the worst place I have posted on, on the whole of the internet for stuff like that. It is part of why other people do not come to the GDF: the self-important wankfest that occurs here. Obviously, we all contribute to that perception so no one single person here is guilty or innocent. And even if that isn't true, it is still the perception of the frequenters of the GDF.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never see DDD sticking up for me, you, or Sym, so I guess that means we don't say anything stupid.
Actually, I have for all 3 of you (and sometimes, multiple occasions). You just don't remember those moments because you just think, "yeah, of course I'm right and obviously people agree with me."
I'd prefer this be about the topic, though. Can we stop talking about poster's peeves and posting habits? 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
DDM's a very effective troll.
You're obviously bored.
Originally posted by Cyner
Look I'm pretty honest with you guys, and until a few posts ago I didn't even acknowledge what ddm was saying. Maybe I'm not the best at expressing thoughts or ideas in writing but what doesn't help is your ridiculous twisting of what I say to make it fit your preconceived notion of my overall beliefs because if I said "X" then what I must mean is "Y". Having thoughts outside of common beliefs on one side or the other seems nearly impossible but it happens. I can't fault you too much though because I get the same sort of reactions when I argue for abortion rights with righties.
you literally said gay people were responsible for 90% of the hate they receive in society...
that is not an issue of misunderstanding you
There's also his position against miscegenation, which as I understood it was that because there's racism people should keep to their races.
If I'm misinterpreting then I apologize, but that was what I got out of his argument.
Edit: While we're on the subject of poster's personal habits, Robtard puts empty milk jugs back into the fridge.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I try not to making sweeping conclusions made from tongue-in-cheek/troll-ish comments. It makes conversations with people go more smoothly.
When a person says "I dislike homosexual culture" and "I dislike black culture" I conclude that this person dislikes black and homosexual culture (I alphabetize). If they later complain about that its their problem. That's just how language works. Ignoring that makes communication impossible.
Cyner says he is disgusted by homosexuality and something called "black culture" so I have to assume that he actually feels those things. He might be writing in an invented language where those comments meant "I'd like to live in Honduras" and "fifteen minus ten is five" but there's no way for me to know that. The fact that we're all writing in English (and his sentences are grammatical in English) makes it reasonable for me to assume he is as well. David Hume, as they say, should go jump off a bridge if he really doesn't think he knows what will happen at the bottom.
Originally posted by Oliver North
you literally said gay people were responsible for 90% of the hate they receive in society...that is not an issue of misunderstanding you
Awesome, a post back on topic:
I would say that 90% of the hate gays in America receive are from self-righteous, hypocritical, judgmental Christians. But that's just fact. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
Awesome, a post back on topic:I would say that 90% of the hate gays in America receive are from self-righteous, hypocritical, judgmental Christians. But that's just fact. 🙂
of course it is
short of violent crime, what could someone do to possibly justify oppression and the denial of rights?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's also his position against miscegenation, which as I understood it was that because there's racism people should keep to their races.If I'm misinterpreting then I apologize, but that was what I got out of his argument.
Edit: While we're on the subject of poster's personal habits, Robtard puts empty milk jugs back into the fridge.
And I don't really even drink milk. I'm a total dick.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's because this place has lots of posters that seem to really really play the high and mighty pedantic position. In fact, this place is one of the worst if not the worst place I have posted on, on the whole of the internet for stuff like that. It is part of why other people do not come to the GDF: the self-important wankfest that occurs here. Obviously, we all contribute to that perception so no one single person here is guilty or innocent. And even if that isn't true, it is still the perception of the frequenters of the GDF.You're obviously bored.
People who debate Star Wars tend to be much more smugly superior in my opinion. Seriously, go to the Swtor forums and try arguing that anyone other than Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever. Then watch 89 losers dogpile you and circlejerk over the topic for goddamn ever. After which they'll act like they're ****ing Socrates and just proved string theory because they managed to quote from 3 or 4 sourcebooks.
Numerous other posters have made the same observation. You clearly get your jollies by riling people up subtly.
Originally posted by Nephthys
People who debate Star Wars tend to be much more smugly superior in my opinion. Seriously, go to the Swtor forums and try arguing that anyone other than Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever. Then watch 89 losers dogpile you and circlejerk over the topic for goddamn ever. After which they'll act like they're ****ing Socrates and just proved string theory because they managed to quote from 3 or 4 sourcebooks.Numerous other posters have made the same observation. You clearly get your jollies by riling people up subtly.
at the risk of looking like I'm defending DDM here, I don't think he is actually that wrong about that point. The core members of this forum tend to have very similar beliefs and feelings toward major political and social issues.
In much the same way almost all self-selected groups of people do...
I don't see it as problematic, generally. I certainly don't think it is an argument that the members here are "wrong" about the issues, or that someone who makes a reasonable argument wouldn't be taken seriously, there is a very low tolerance for non-rational dissent from that group though, and given most members agree broadly, it can look like a pile on when someone makes a poor argument against these views. It does tend to come out more with moral/equality issues than more strictly political ones. For instance this thread vs the Snowden one.
Originally posted by Cyner
On this subject, I'm not a bigot. I am however a huge bigot when it comes to other topics and you guys should definitely examine the "Are you a little bit racist?" thread so you can see just how bigoted and ignorant I am. It's a lot. Do it.
What do you think makes you a racial bigot?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When a person says "I dislike homosexual culture" and "I dislike black culture" I conclude that this person dislikes black and homosexual culture (I alphabetize). If they later complain about that its their problem. That's just how language works. Ignoring that makes communication impossible.Cyner says he is disgusted by homosexuality and something called "black culture" so I have to assume that he actually feels those things. He might be writing in an invented language where those comments meant "I'd like to live in Honduras" and "fifteen minus ten is five" but there's no way for me to know that. The fact that we're all writing in English (and his sentences are grammatical in English) makes it reasonable for me to assume he is as well. David Hume, as they say, should go jump off a bridge if he really doesn't think he knows what will happen at the bottom.
I was thinking more along the lines of: "I dislike a specific type of black culture" and as he later specified, that was true. Like I stated, direct interpretations and sweeping conclusions about tongue-in-cheek statements are rarely true...especially if it looks like a person is borderline trolling a forum.
I wish there was a language specialist here (I believe Ushgarak is one but he doesn't post around this time) because people make statements like that, all the time, but it is not supposed to be taken as sweeping or 100% encompassing. Clearly, there are exceptions to most sweeping statements. Does that make sense?
This is my perspective: "Clearly, you do not mean that as a blanket statement for 100% of homosexuals. I know what you mean, even if I do not agree with it."
Yours and others' perspectives: "Holy shit! You're a hateful jerk! How could you say that stuff about every last homosexual in America?"
Does that make more sense? We both agree that Cyner's statements are generally pretty stupid but I am not going to town on it like you and others are. I know what he meant. He may have played off, as ON suggested, based on my posts, so I stopped "feeding" the system. Can we move on? I don't think we should waste anymore time on this part of the discussion.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You clearly get your jollies by riling people up subtly.
Clearly, I don't. The subject you've commented on, I'm trying to rile shit down/de-escalate. As in, "it's not that bad, dudes. Here's why." That's the opposite of what you're suggesting.