KC Superman VS Angrir and Nul
Kingdom come superman VS Angrir and Nul of the worthy.
The serpent tries to manifest into DC and sends Angrir and Nul to break Uts hero. They goto Metropolis and find KC Superman and attack.
Fight takes place in metropolis. No speed blitz if superman can even end this fight like that :3
Who wins?
VS
Team. Especially after his lack luster performance while on the JSA.
Tbf, any Herald level character should get crushed like 9/10 against an Elite Top Tier and an Above Top Tier. Thor's win was that very rare 1/10 occurence.
Still can't believe Thor was able to so easily kill Angrir, f*cking ridiculous. Imagine Superman casually punching Captain Marvel's head off. Surprised it doesn't get brought up more.
not all that surprising with angrir. he never would have made it to thor had sue not allowed him to live. i could think of ways kc superman could win this, but it would involve him probably acting out of character. his speed would still be an issue for them though. his performance in the jsa (minus the hercules feat) really wasn't all that impressive though. i always hated that. i'd been hoping to see some good stuff from him.
Originally posted by leonidas
not all that surprising with angrir. he never would have made it to thor had sue not allowed him to live. i could think of ways kc superman could win this, but it would involve him probably acting out of character. his speed would still be an issue for them though. his performance in the jsa (minus the hercules feat) really wasn't all that impressive though. i always hated that. i'd been hoping to see some good stuff from him.
It is to me. Don't usually see Mjolnir go through beings on Angrir's level so casually. Sure, with one of the more powerful hits it's doable but Fraction's Thor could pretty much casually decapitate someone like Hercules if he felt like it. He also easily tossed Mjolnir through Enchantress' new Skurge who was as strong as Thor now that I think about it. Then again, Fraction's Thor did fly through Galactus' head, dropped Odin and dented Surfer's skull with a headbutt, so in retrospect, it wasn't that out there.
How does that change anything? Sue's force fields are incredibly tough. Expanding them inside the lungs would kill even someone like Superman often.
Yeah, he was weaksauce, kind of disappointing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team. Especially after his lack luster performance while on the JSA.Tbf, any Herald level character should get crushed like 9/10 against an Elite Top Tier and an Above Top Tier. Thor's win was that very rare 1/10 occurence.
Still can't believe Thor was able to so easily kill Angrir, f*cking ridiculous. Imagine Superman casually punching Captain Marvel's head off. Surprised it doesn't get brought up more.
^ I don't. Angrir wasn't no Thor, but like you said he completely mopped the floor with Rulk. As for your observation concerning collateral damage, Nul wrecked Brazil and the Carpathian Mountains something fierce. Let's not shortchange Nul, since he did prove a tougher opponent than Angrir, after all.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAgreed. 👆
Team. Especially after his lack luster performance while on the JSA.Tbf, any Herald level character should get crushed like 9/10 against an Elite Top Tier and an Above Top Tier. Thor's win was that very rare 1/10 occurence.
Originally posted by leonidasI wasn't surprised, but not for the same reason. Now while I don't expect Thor to blow right through Rulk's chest, let alone somebody who utterly mopped the floor with Rulk... the reason I wasn't surprised is because I know Thor can hit that hard if he had no other choice.
not all that surprising with angrir. he never would have made it to thor had sue not allowed him to live. i could think of ways kc superman could win this, but it would involve him probably acting out of character. his speed would still be an issue for them though. his performance in the jsa (minus the hercules feat) really wasn't all that impressive though. i always hated that. i'd been hoping to see some good stuff from him.
Fraction's Thor, while he left much to be desired in the character/dialogue aspect, was nothing short of ridiculous power wise. The crazy thing about a lot of his feats were that A.) he was injured or otherwise not at full capacity or B.) performed almost casually.
I always am shocked when people (most of which who gloss over Thor's ongoing under Fraction or exclusively read only event titles and the Avenger books) seriously claim that Thor got "nerfed". Under Fraction alone, he's killed two skyfathers and a being beyond that by my count.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHow does that change anything? Sue's force fields are incredibly tough. Expanding them inside the lungs would kill even someone like Superman often.
i dunno, guess i always see that 'expanding force field' as a sort of 'forum power'. i like (liked) to think that someone on the level of the worthy could either resist it long enough to kill her, or would have some innate durability that would allow them to get through it. funny you brought up supes. with that angrir feat she could also kill thor.... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by ODG
I wasn't surprised, but not for the same reason. Now while I don't expect Thor to blow right through Rulk's chest, let alone somebody who utterly mopped the floor with Rulk... the reason I wasn't surprised is because I know Thor can hit that hard if he had no other choice.
i'd have little trouble processing the feat had he STRUCK angrir with the hammer, or showed evidence of nearly going all out or something. but the hammer was simply returning to his hand. killing a high herald by just calling mjolnir back to him? i dunno, seems to go against an awful lot of similar instances. it's like he commanded the hammer to return....more powerfully? or return in a lethal way that we've never seen before. just seemed strange to me.
Originally posted by leonidasThor did collapse in a heap at the end of the fight.
i'd have little trouble processing the feat had he STRUCK angrir with the hammer, or showed evidence of nearly going all out or something.
Originally posted by leonidasThor can mentally command Mjolnir to soar with incredible force back to his grasp. It's outmuscled the Destroyer's grip, outmuscled Zeus' grip, forced Ulterminus into outer space careening into an asteroid, escaped event horizons, outraced Surfer, etc.
but the hammer was simply returning to his hand. killing a high herald by just calling mjolnir back to him? i dunno, seems to go against an awful lot of similar instances. it's like he commanded the hammer to return....more powerfully? or return in a lethal way that we've never seen before. just seemed strange to me.
Originally posted by zopzoplawl
Regular pre-DCNu Superman would beat these clowns. KC Superman should wipe the floor with them.
I'm with ODG on this.
I was surprised that Thor showcased that level of brutality albeit reluctantly on a friend and ally he knew was mind controlled, but considering how much Thor holds back and the higher scope of his capabilities, I wasn't that surprised.
And yeah...I don't see pre-Flashpoint Superman faring any better than Thor did. And given the fact that Green Scar Hulk alone would give Superman a fight and also was packing an Asgardian weapon, there's a case to be made that he'd potentially do worse than Thor did.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNot that I disagree with the outcome here(the team definitely stomps), but why would you call KC Superman's showings during JSA "lackluster"..?
Team. Especially after his lack luster performance while on the JSA.
His stint on JSA is what showed us that KC Supes>mainstream Supes, after all:
Aside from that, he didn't have any real low feats at all.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm with ODG on this.I was surprised that Thor showcased that level of brutality albeit reluctantly on a friend and ally he knew was mind controlled, but considering how much Thor holds back and the higher scope of his capabilities, I wasn't that surprised.
And yeah...I don't see pre-Flashpoint Superman faring any better than Thor did. And given the fact that Green Scar Hulk alone would give Superman a fight and also was packing an Asgardian weapon, there's a case to be made that he'd potentially do worse than Thor did.
Originally posted by carver9
Angrir alone could give Supes a fight...Nul would kill him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If we extrapolate Green Scar's feats with a hammer that is supposedly equal with Mjolnir, he would've cracked Thor's skull like an eggshell which he didn't. Its a different version of Hulk under a different writer. Instead of going that logic, use what Nul actually did on panel. I doubt Green Scar with an amp under Pak would get his flesh blasted off by Spider-woman. Are we going by ODG's version of superman who explodes by the mention of magic?
Why? Angrir beat Rulk who under Parker got the shit beat out of him by anyone and everyone. Heck, class 85 Ikaris was taking it to him. Angrir would get a hole punched through him accidently. Nul would lose to superman too.
Lol. Welcome back.
Nul was still a beast, even without extrapolating Green Scar's feats. It's pretty goddamn obvious he was otherwise beyond Thor, who was able to best him through a Hail Mary one shot BFR. And speaking of different writers, the guy who had Nul struggle with Spider-Woman wasn't the same guy who had Nul face off against Thor, for the record, so not sure why you'd bring up obvious PIS from Bendis of all people as a "counter point". Superman regularly is shown as being adverse to magic. Pretty sure ODG didn't mention Superman exploding or anything of that nature in this thread?
