KC Superman VS Angrir and Nul

Originally posted by leonidas
you think it's that lop-sided? not sure i'd say it was that skewed, but kc supes didn't show too much, unfortunately. i think initially that superman/herc confrontation was intended to show just how far above our kal kc supes was supposed to be though. i wonder if this were changed to oww superman if people would think he had a better chance.

KC Superman's stated/shown superiority over Superman is probably definitely less than WWH's stated/shown superiority over Savage Hulk. And I don't recall KC Superman increasing his resistance to magic the same way he did with kryptonite.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We saw Rulk's performance under Bendis and he was at least Hercules level. At his debut, he even commented that he was tougher then the Green Hulk. He was jobbed out to Simon at the end there when he was going all Sentry but that's it. On the other hand we have his performance during the Infinity Gems and against the Phoenix Five under Bendis.

So we're just going to conveniently ignore every durability showing Angrir has just because?

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Look at that shitty durability. Clearly he's only Thing level durability because of his rocky hide.

Why do you quote me out of context? I said a little above Thing level durability.
Thing can also take punches from Hulk as well. Again Rulk is all over the place and very inconsistent.

To prevent creating a strawman I claim that Angrir doesn't have high herald level durability. Do you agree?

Originally posted by h1a8
Why do you quote me out of context? I said a little above Thing level durability.
Thing can also take punches from Hulk as well. Again Rulk is all over the place and very inconsistent.

To prevent creating a strawman I claim that Angrir doesn't have high herald level durability. Do you agree?

If it's not high herald durability then could you clarify and give a Tier you think his durability would rank as?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
H1 believes Angrir is only slightly more durable then regular Thing because he still has a rocky hide. And I'm not joking. He's either trolling or brain damaged.

It's pretty obvious however that the only reason he wants to lowball Angrir's durability is because Thor cutting through him so easily is ridiculous.

Angrir's lowest feat is all-out Spider-Man on an adrenaline rush causing him to grunt after a barrage of blows. 😬 So it's not like he can even use conflicting evidence, he just ignores shit.

The rocky hide is evidence but not sufficient proof
The rocky hide chipping off like it did is good evidence and almost proof enough (Thing himself would have experience the same shit in another comic)
Thor going through Angrir and not other high herald level beings proves it.

My point is that Angrir's durability is not on the level of a high herald level being.
Let's just his durability is somewhere between Thing's and a high herald level beings.

Question: Do you think Mjolnir could have gone through Thor's chest as well?

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
If it's not high herald durability then could you clarify and give a Tier you think his durability would rank as?

I would say halfway between Thing's and high herald durability.
So more than Thing's but less than Thor's, Surfer's, Superman's, etc.

I think Thing himself could have taken some blows without dying immediately tbh.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why do you quote me out of context? I said a little above Thing level durability.
Thing can also take punches from Hulk as well. Again Rulk is all over the place and very inconsistent.

To prevent creating a strawman I claim that Angrir doesn't have high herald level durability. Do you agree?

How did I quote you out of context when it's your whole post?

Then Thing is High Herald level in durability in your book? Because taking that kind of beating without even worse for the wear is ridiculous, average Thor couldn't match it based on how strong Bendis wrote Rulk even up until AvX. We know where he considered Rulk, he made that clear when he introduced him into the team.

No, I don't.

Originally posted by h1a8
The rocky hide is evidence but not sufficient proof
The rocky hide chipping off like it did is good evidence and almost proof enough (Thing himself would have experience the same shit in another comic)
Thor going through Angrir and not other high herald level beings proves it.

My point is that Angrir's durability is not on the level of a high herald level being.
Let's just his durability is somewhere between Thing's and a high herald level beings.

Question: Do you think Mjolnir could have gone through Thor's chest as well?

No it's not evidence. Characters come in all textures and sizes in comics, it has no bearing on their durability unless they're made out of glass or something.

What are you talking about? He got hit and didn't even get taken off his feet. He took that better than most would.

I just posted conclusive evidence that going through a Herald with Mjolnir is very much in line with Thor's power at his high end. Why are you ignoring this evidence?

Depends entirely on how Fraction views Thor, but it's not out of the question. Thor's always been able to hit out of his tier.

Originally posted by h1a8
I would say halfway between Thing's and high herald durability.
So more than Thing's but less than Thor's, Surfer's, Superman's, etc.

I think Thing himself could have taken some blows without dying immediately tbh.

😂

Fraction Thor would do this to Thing except way worse:
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The more you talk, the more it's obvious you never bothered to read his run.

Lol...that's why I say "I don't see why people bother to debate with H1".

Nul and Angrir break KC Superman. I'd give Superman maybe one win just because. Also is KC Superman just as weak to magically charged attacks? I don't remember if he showed any sort of resistance in his captain marvel fight other incarnations haven't.. Then again him being 'weak' to magic is just him being as vulnerable to it as any random Joe despite his super stats, so eh.

Angrir would be a nuisance ontop of KC Clark taking hits and hounding him hitting/blasting back and Nul would drive the win home with brute force. Even if KC superman took down Angrir (which given Thors power levels and seriousness at that point in fear itself I wouldn't really say Angrir had crap durability) he isn't putting down Nul after whatever beating he would have to sustain to accomplish taking Angrir down.

^ From what I remember of Kingdom Come (don't feel like grabbing it off my shelf right now), he still had issues with magic, e.g., cutting himself on Wonder Woman's blade, being wrecked by Captain Marvel's lightning, etc.

I don't recall him gaining any increased resistance to his magic weakness in The Kingdom or his stint with the JSA,

Originally posted by ODG
^ From what I remember of Kingdom Come (don't feel like grabbing it off my shelf right now), he still had issues with magic, e.g., cutting himself on Wonder Woman's blade, being wrecked by Captain Marvel's lightning, etc.

I don't recall him gaining any increased resistance to his magic weakness in The Kingdom or his stint with the JSA,

Oh thanks for the info 👆

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Fraction Thor would do this to Thing except way worse:
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The more you talk, the more it's obvious you never bothered to read his run.

Yet Thing has taken hits just as powerful without being visibly damaged.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How did I quote you out of context when it's your whole post?

Then Thing is High Herald level in durability in your book? Because taking that kind of beating without even worse for the wear is ridiculous, average Thor couldn't match it based on how strong Bendis wrote Rulk even up until AvX. We know where he considered Rulk, he made that clear when he introduced him into the team.

No, I don't.

No it's not evidence. Characters come in all textures and sizes in comics, it has no bearing on their durability unless they're made out of glass or something.

What are you talking about? He got hit and didn't even get taken off his feet. He took that better than most would.

I just posted conclusive evidence that going through a Herald with Mjolnir is very much in line with Thor's power at his high end. Why are you ignoring this evidence?

Depends entirely on how Fraction views Thor, but it's not out of the question. Thor's always been able to hit out of his tier.

Many characters under high herald level have taken hits from high herald level beings. Spidey, Wolverine, CA, Beast, etc. So yes Thing has taken hits from Hulk, Gladiator, Thanos, etc. and keep on ticking.

IMO, Bendis didn't make Rulk that powerful. Loeb was the one who did that.

So you believe Angrir had the durability of Surfer, Thor, Superman, etc.
Thus you believe the hammer would have went through Thor's or Surfer's chest as well. Right? Don't avoid that question.

It's evidence because Angrir is based off Thing. It makes 100% for them to be made of the same substance but only amped. This is not some new character that isn't based off any other being. So your glass rebuttal fails.

Not being taken off one's feet is not evidence towards anything unless it was a no sell hit. If Hulk doesn't get taken off his feet from a class 100 uppercut (Hulk weighs less than a ton) then should we assume the punch was less than class 100? And you are not considering it being a possible glancing blow.

Lastly, what is the difference between that hit vs. the one that went through Angrir?

So can BA punch through CM's chest or head at his high end then? Will you ever see that in comics? Thor is not going to send Mjolnir through any high herald level being's CHEST at his high end.

IMO, I don't think Thor can hit out of his tier if you consider other high end feats by other high herald level beings (including their durability feats). If that is the case then most can hit out of their tier (whatever that means).

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet Thing has taken hits just as powerful without being visibly damaged.

Many characters under high herald level have taken hits from high herald level beings. Spidey, Wolverine, CA, Beast, etc. So yes Thing has taken hits from Hulk, Gladiator, Thanos, etc. and keep on ticking.

Lastly, what is the difference between that hit vs. the one that went through Angrir?

the difference between an attack and a killing blow. 'and him I liked' or something to that effect was said after the kill blow which would indicate it was done intentionally meaning he applied the necessary force to his hammer When he called it back so it would go threw him opposed to the other hammer throw that clipped Angrir like a punch instead of just taking his head off.

KC superman punched Gog's magical lightning back on him. If that's not resistance to magic, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
KC superman punched Gog's magical lightning back on him. If that's not resistance to magic, I don't know what is.