KC Superman VS Angrir and Nul

Originally posted by abhilegend
If we extrapolate Green Scar's feats with a hammer that is supposedly equal with Mjolnir, he would've cracked Thor's skull like an eggshell which he didn't. Its a different version of Hulk under a different writer. Instead of going that logic, use what Nul actually did on panel. I doubt Green Scar with an amp under Pak would get his flesh blasted off by Spider-woman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? Angrir beat Rulk who under Parker got the shit beat out of him by anyone and everyone. Heck, class 85 Ikaris was taking it to him. Angrir would get a hole punched through him accidently. Nul would lose to superman too.

@ABHI...

Where did you come from? What in the hell.

^ The Phantom Zone.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I can see that.

I thought Ikaris is now the Prime Eternal. Not surprised him working Rulk.

He isn't prime eternal AFAIK. Even prime eternal Ikaris was manhandled by Hyperion.

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

Where did you come from? What in the hell.

Good to see you too carver.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol. Welcome back.

Nul was still a beast, even without extrapolating Green Scar's feats. It's pretty goddamn obvious he was otherwise beyond Thor, who was able to best him through a Hail Mary one shot BFR. And speaking of different writers, the guy who had Nul struggle with Spider-Woman wasn't the same guy who had Nul face off against Thor, for the record, so not sure why you'd bring up obvious PIS from Bendis of all people as a "counter point". Superman regularly is shown as being adverse to magic. Pretty sure ODG didn't mention Superman exploding or anything of that nature in this thread?

I don't disagree that Nul was a beast. I'm opposed to the logic that Nul can use Green Scar's feats while extrapolated by an asgardian hammer. That was just to give an example to see how different writers see hulk as a character.

I was mainly joking about how ODG's superman automatically loses against magical characters. Having a magical hammer doesn't mean that Superman would do worse than Thor especially when that hammer was just a club swung by Nul. If it was a magically charged hammer, you might have a case. Against magical blunt attacks superman's record is superb.

from that showing I felt angrir was weak in the durability dept. Any high herald level being would have been fine with that attack.

It's like he still had normal Thing level of durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
from that showing I felt angrir was weak in the durability dept. Any high herald level being would have been fine with that attack.

It's like he still had normal Thing level of durability.

Lawlz.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lawlz.

Look at Thor's history and it's easy to come to that conclusion. he couldn't even do that to anyone else, including nul

Originally posted by h1a8
thats what i got after reading that scene.

Look at Thor's history and it's easy to come to that conclusion. he couldn't even do that to anyone else, including nul

Well, read it again.

How about you reflect on Thor's history so you can better understand how powerful Mjolnir can be.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, read it again.

How about you reflect on Thor's history so you can better understand how powerful Mjolnir can be.

Sure!
And according to Thor's history Mjolnir has never be shown powerful enough to go right through a high herald level being's chest with ease.

All high herald level beings (who have been struck) have taken hits from it without dying or even being koed.

Originally posted by h1a8
from that showing I felt angrir was weak in the durability dept. Any high herald level being would have been fine with that attack.

It's like he still had normal Thing level of durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sure!
And according to Thor's history Mjolnir has never be shown powerful enough to go right through a high herald level being's chest with ease.

All high herald level beings (who have been struck) have taken hits from it without dying or even being koed.

Matt Fraction had Thor easily toss Mjolnir through the torso of the new Skurge who came off as his equal in strength. He flew through Galactus' head, the Demogorge's mouth, dented Surfer's skull with a freaking head butt.

Why do you think Mjolnir cutting through a High Herald with ease is improbable in light of all that? Not to mention we've seen it's return enchantment overpower Zeus, Destroyer, broken through space/time, and even worlds according to Thor.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

The same Thor didn't kill so many others (including Nul). Also going by Thor's history all high heralds can take a hit and still live (and actually still be conscious)

Originally posted by h1a8
Think and read before you post. I posted great reasoning behind that.

The same Thor didn't kill so many others (including Nul). Also going by Thor's history all high heralds can take a hit and still live (and actually still be conscious)

Why are you acting like Angrir can't take a hit or something? He bounced right back from a Mjolnir throw and wasn't even taken off his feet:

How many Heralds do you know who can do that? Thor even called the two the Serpent's greatest Fear Mongers:

Stop pretending Angrir was some scrub. Fraction can't write fights and is the most anti-climatic writer ever, but he's not shy when it comes to Thor's power levels.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Matt Fraction had Thor easily toss Mjolnir through the torso of the new Skurge who came off as his equal in strength. He flew through Galactus' head, the Demogorge's mouth, dented Surfer's skull with a freaking head butt.

Why do you think Mjolnir cutting through a High Herald with ease is improbable in light of all that? Not to mention we've seen it's return enchantment overpower Zeus, Destroyer, broken through space/time, and even worlds according to Thor.

I don't believe he flew through Galactus head. We have to agree to disagree there. But he did crack his helmet, which doesn't prove much since it doesn't strike me that Galactus helmet is close to adamantium level durability.

The mouth is a very vulnerable part of the body. Much more vulnerable than a chest (especially in comics). But still a good feat I suppose. What comic is this?

Denting Surfer's head doesn't prove much either. Didn't Fraction Mjolnir strike Surfer before without any denting?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why are you acting like Angrir can't take a hit or something? He bounced right back from a Mjolnir throw and wasn't even taken off his feet:

How many Heralds do you know who can do that? Thor even called the two the Serpent's greatest Fear Mongers:

Stop pretending Angrir was some scrub. Fraction can't write fights and is the most anti-climatic writer ever, but he's not shy when it comes to Thor's power levels.

Stop trying to sell the showing. It's funny when you do that.

How many heralds can do what?

Bringing fear =/= durability on the level of a high herald level being.
Bringing fear =/= more powerful

Kuurth was the most powerful but angrir probably brought more fear.
Angrir is a scrub when it comes to a high herald level being. I don't know of any high herald level beings he can beat for a majority.

Agreed that Thor was shown a little more powerful than average but going through a high herald level chest with ease. Naw! Otherwise it would be inconsistent with other showings.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe he flew through Galactus head. We have to agree to disagree there. But he did crack his helmet, which doesn't prove much since it doesn't strike me that Galactus helmet is close to adamantium level durability.

The mouth is a very vulnerable part of the body. Much more vulnerable than a chest (especially in comics). But still a good feat I suppose. What comic is this?

Denting Surfer's head doesn't prove much either. Didn't Fraction Mjolnir strike Surfer before without any denting?

He flew into one end and came out the other. Did he go through his ears then iyo?

Mighty Thor #11. Demogorge was a Cosmic Entity beyond time/space, it could have been a fingernail, it would have been impressive. Not to mention Thor kills him by destroying his heart later on.

He dented the head of arguably the most invulnerable herald in comics. :/ He got knocked off his board by a Mjolnir throw.

Originally posted by h1a8
Looks like a glancing blow but ok. You did see chips and pieces come off Angrir from that blow. He's more of a rock like creature and definitely less durabile than a top high herald level being. Those pieces remind me of the same durability as Thing himself.

Haha, you're such a joke. The guy takes a Mjolnir throw from a pissed off Thor without falling and it proves he's less durable then other Heralds because his rocky hide was chipped?

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop trying to sell the showing. It's funny when you do that.

How many heralds can do what?

Bringing fear =/= durability on the level of a high herald level being.
Bringing fear =/= more powerful

Kuurth was the most powerful but angrir probably brought more fear.
Angrir is a scrub when it comes to a high herald level being. I don't know of any high herald level beings he can beat for a majority.

Take a hit like that almost without faltering.

It was clearly a comment on their power. Even though I don't believe Angrir is the most powerful I do think it's pretty clear that Fraction considered him to be very powerful.

He'd have probably beat the utter shit out of Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Agreed that Thor was shown a little more powerful than average but going through a high herald level chest with ease. Naw! Otherwise it would be inconsistent with other showings.

A little more powerful then average? He took on a powered up Hulk and Thing while wounded after being blasted by a Skyfather. And won.

You mean comics aren't consistent and it's possible for a power house like Thor to have a high end showing that's above his average? GTFO, that's clearly impossible. Oh wait, it's not.

Also, why is it inconsistent? As we've seen, Mjolnir's return enchantment is connected to Thor's will and it's entirely plausible that it can cut through a High Herald. Mjolnir > Herald level beings. We've seen it overpower a full grown Terminus, Zeus's grip, the Destroyer's grip and even once carried it against the armor's will.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He flew into one end and came out the other. Did he go through his ears then iyo?

Originally posted by ODG
On this, I don't believe Thor flew through Galactus' head. Granted, another Herald has done so in the past, but it looked like Thor straight bounced off the right side of his head after the impact. Had he blown straight through, the left side of his head would have shown damage in later scenes. It didn't.

Hmm, here's the scene:

I guess I can see that but in the third page on the second panel, Thor seems to be on the other end of Galactus' head. Unless the panel is inverted like a mirror?

There does seem to be almost no damage on the right side. I'm conflicted.