Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThor is reeling somewhere in undefined space. He could be anywhere. The next comic where Galactus re-engages his mental duel with Odin shows the left side of his helmet completely undamaged.
Hmm, here's the scene:
I guess I can see that but in the third page on the second panel, Thor seems to be on the other end of Galactus' head. Unless the panel is inverted like a mirror?
There does seem to be almost no damage on the right side. I'm conflicted.
Originally posted by ODG
Thor is reeling somewhere in undefined space. He could be anywhere. The next comic where Galactus re-engages his mental duel with Odin shows the left side of his helmet completely undamaged.
But the purple glow is to his left, right where Galactus would be....
Like I said, I'm conflicted.
Originally posted by ODG
^ That glow is behind Thor from whatever camera angle that is.And Thor ends up being around Galactus' waistline from what we see of the fourth panel. That costume pattern only shows up around his waist.
And Galactus' lefthand side of his helmet is completely undamaged when we next see it.
What do you mean behind him? His back and cape are facing us.
I'm confused, why does that matter? Thor was floating downward I agree as he was stunned.
Like I said, there seems to be practically no damage to his right side so I'm conflicted.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd the glow seems to be coming from the foreground, not the background. Which would put it behind Thor.
What do you mean behind him? His back and cape are facing us.I'm confused, why does that matter? Thor was floating downward I agree as he was stunned.
Like I said, there seems to be practically no damage to his right side so I'm conflicted.
Because if he went straight through Galactus' head he should be floating downward after clearing Galactus. If he just bounced off his head straight down, he'd be floating down in front of his waistline.
Why would you be conflicted when you see damage on his right side and no damage on his left side. I think you're confusing yourself.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe Rocky hide plopping off like that seems to me he has still has close to Thing's level of durability. It's not impossible in comics for someone to take a hit from Mjolnir without falling. Hell I don't agree with uppercutting Hulk with forces greater than his weight without lifting him and knocking him through the air, but it has happened.
Haha, you're such a joke. The guy takes a Mjolnir throw from a pissed off Thor without falling and it proves he's less durable then other Heralds because his rocky hide was chipped?Take a hit like that almost without faltering.
It was clearly a comment on their power. Even though I don't believe Angrir is the most powerful I do think it's pretty clear that Fraction considered him to be very powerful.
He'd have probably beat the utter shit out of Surfer.
A little more powerful then average? He took on a powered up Hulk and Thing while wounded after being blasted by a Skyfather. And won.
You mean comics aren't consistent and it's possible for a power house like Thor to have a high end showing that's above his average? GTFO, that's clearly impossible. Oh wait, it's not.
Also, why is it inconsistent? As we've seen, Mjolnir's return enchantment is connected to Thor's will and it's entirely plausible that it can cut through a High Herald. Mjolnir > Herald level beings. We've seen it overpower a full grown Terminus, Zeus's grip, the Destroyer's grip and even once carried it against the armor's will.
Power =/= durability. IMO Thanos is much more durable than he is powerful (offensive wise). Angrir had the power to hurt but he had questionable durability. Even some great boxers have glass jaws.
A high showing for Thor? 👆 I agree!
But Angrir's less than stellar durability also played a role is all I'm saying. I wouldn't say he's as durable as Surfer or Superman or even Thor himself but closer to Thing's level (a little more though).
Originally posted by h1a8
The Rocky hide plopping off like that seems to me he has still has close to Thing's level of durability. It's not impossible in comics for someone to take a hit from Mjolnir without falling. Hell I don't agree with uppercutting Hulk with forces greater than his weight without lifting him and knocking him through the air, but it has happened.Power =/= durability. IMO Thanos is much more durable than he is powerful (offensive wise). Angrir had the power to hurt but he had questionable durability. Even some great boxers have glass jaws.
A high showing for Thor? 👆 I agree!
But Angrir's less than stellar durability also played a role is all I'm saying. I wouldn't say he's as durable as Surfer or Superman or even Thor himself but closer to Thing's level (a little more though).
What? That's absolutely retarded logic, why does his hide being rocky mean he has similar levels of durability? Especially when in that scene he takes a hammer shot and only gets bent backwards a bit, something I don't think any Herald has ever accomplished so far. Not to mention we saw him fight Rulk, an elite strongman without any damage as well. Not impossible? Post a herald taking a similar shot, I'm trying to think of an instance and coming up with a hard time.
Because Thor tore Mjolnir through him, he has a glass jaw? Wtf? We've seen Mjolnir do serious damage from Heralds to Cosmics.
Lol, you seem to have a problem acknowledging Angrir's durability because of what this implies of Thor's capabilities. Get over it brah, Thor also tossed Mjolnir through the new Skurge, an even better feat. Fraction's Thor breaking through even Surfer with Mjolnir is hardly an impossibility.
He also took all of Rulk's blows in stride, who's at least as strong as someone like Hercules. Spider-Man broke his hand punching him and it took one of his all-out blitz mode attacks just to barely hurt Angrir. That's his lowest showing, Spider-Man on an adrenaline rush making him feel an attack. Not to mention there was the usual comic crap of Spider-Man getting through to the Ben Grimm inside.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat's crazy. I don't care about Thor being shown to be powerful as long as it is consistent with the whole story.
What? That's absolutely retarded logic, why does his hide being rocky mean he has similar levels of durability? Especially when in that scene he takes a hammer shot and only gets bent backwards a bit, something I don't think any Herald has ever accomplished so far. Not to mention we saw him fight Rulk, an elite strongman without any damage as well. Not impossible? Post a herald taking a similar shot, I'm trying to think of an instance and coming up with a hard time.Because Thor tore Mjolnir through him, he has a glass jaw? Wtf? We've seen Mjolnir do serious damage from Heralds to Cosmics.
Lol, you seem to have a problem acknowledging Angrir's durability because of what this implies of Thor's capabilities. Get over it brah, Thor also tossed Mjolnir through the new Skurge, an even better feat. Fraction's Thor breaking through even Surfer with Mjolnir is hardly an impossibility.
The way it chips off shows the consistency to that of Thing. I will go as far and say Angrir was a little more durable but still on the consistency of Thing himself. I'm going by what I feel when I read through the fight. In all honesty I don't see Mjolnir going through Thor, Surfer, Hulk, or Superman's chest. You can ask any non bias member here and they will tell you the same. Angrir is just not as durable as other high herald level beings.
To support Angrir having top high herald level durability then you must provide consistent feats for him. Him not being entirely knocked down is meaningless since that has nothing to do with durability. He was damaged from the strike and was knocked back. I seen beings knocked down without being damaged in comics. It can also be argued to be a glancing blow (not full on impact) but I won't argue that.
Thor going through Surfer is definitely not a possibility without it being totally PIS and horrific writing. That's just not going to happen, not even by Fraction. Stop giving him that much credit.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He also took all of Rulk's blows in stride, who's at least as strong as someone like Hercules. Spider-Man broke his hand punching him and it took one of his all-out blitz mode attacks just to barely hurt Angrir. That's his lowest showing, Spider-Man on an adrenaline rush making him feel an attack. Not to mention there was the usual comic crap of Spider-Man getting through to the Ben Grimm inside.
Rulk is all over the place but he can be as strong as say Hercules. Also Rulk doesn't hit as hard as Mjolnir on his average.
Spider-man has hurt plenty of characters outside his tier and also fail to as well. He is also inconsistent as well. Using him isn't a good choice.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's crazy. I don't care about Thor being shown to be powerful as long as it is consistent with the whole story.
What are you talking about? You acknowledge comics are inconsistent then come up with contrived reasoning because Thor's feat is inconsistent with his average? Make up your mind.
Originally posted by h1a8
The way it chips off shows the consistency to that of Thing. I will go as far and say Angrir was a little more durable but still on the consistency of Thing himself. I'm going by what I feel when I read through the fight. In all honesty I don't see Mjolnir going through Thor, Surfer, Hulk, or Superman's chest. You can ask any non bias member here and they will tell you the same. Angrir is just not as durable as other high herald level beings.
Are you mad? Angrir took a Mjolnir shot and got his head knocked back, he's definitely High Herald in durability. Why does his rock like consistency indicate similar durability when we saw that he was very much more durable? I should just get a mod ruling and be done with it.
Why not?
Get over it. Thor can one shot kill Heralds under extremes, it's nothing new. Go back a few decades and he did the same to Air-Walker when he didn't have to hold back:
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We've seen Mjolnir wreck beings like Surtur:
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He threw it through Skurge's chest who was crazy strong under Fraction:
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And not too long before that, he one shot killed an amped up Ulik two who was powerful enough to replicate all of Thor's history (So definitely High Herald too):
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Originally posted by h1a8
To support Angrir having top high herald level durability then you must provide consistent feats for him. Him not being entirely knocked down is meaningless since that has nothing to do with durability. He was damaged from the strike and was knocked back. I seen beings knocked down without being damaged in comics. It can also be argued to be a glancing blow (not full on impact) but I won't argue that.Thor going through Surfer is definitely not a possibility without it being totally PIS and horrific writing. That's just not going to happen, not even by Fraction. Stop giving him that much credit.
He's had three fights you psycho and each fight you want to ignore his durability feats for some contrived reason. Being able to tank a blow has nothing to do with durability? Any more blatant trolling like that and I'll get Carver to break your legs.
It can most definitely happen. It might not be likely but stop pretending it's impossible. A while back, the thought of denting Surfer's head with his skull would have been thought impossible, it's comics, shit happens, get over it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Rulk is all over the place but he can be as strong as say Hercules. Also Rulk doesn't hit as hard as Mjolnir on his average.Spider-man has hurt plenty of characters outside his tier and also fail to as well. He is also inconsistent as well. Using him isn't a good choice.
We saw Rulk's performance under Bendis and he was at least Hercules level. At his debut, he even commented that he was tougher then the Green Hulk. He was jobbed out to Simon at the end there when he was going all Sentry but that's it. On the other hand we have his performance during the Infinity Gems and against the Phoenix Five under Bendis.
So we're just going to conveniently ignore every durability showing Angrir has just because?
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Look at that shitty durability. Clearly he's only Thing level durability because of his rocky hide.
This back and forth seems odd. Even if Angrir was the weakest of the worthy his durability was still much more than Thing. Would this even be a issue if he was flesh? If he was flesh and had maybe a small trail of blood (instead of hide Chips) coming from his face from a Thor hammer Throw then next panel wasn't bloodied or overall effected beyond that one happening would it still be such a issue? It's not like anyone claimed he had the same durability or strength as Nul.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
This back and forth seems odd. Even if Angrir was the weakest of the worthy his durability was still much more than Thing. Would this even be a issue if he was flesh? If he was flesh and had maybe a small trail of blood (instead of hide Chips) coming from his face from a Thor hammer Throw then next panel wasn't bloodied or overall effected beyond that one happening would it still be such a issue? It's not like anyone claimed he had the same durability or strength as Nul.
H1 believes Angrir is only slightly more durable then regular Thing because he still has a rocky hide. And I'm not joking. He's either trolling or brain damaged.
It's pretty obvious however that the only reason he wants to lowball Angrir's durability is because Thor cutting through him so easily is ridiculous.
Angrir's lowest feat is all-out Spider-Man on an adrenaline rush causing him to grunt after a barrage of blows. 😬 So it's not like he can even use conflicting evidence, he just ignores shit.
This would be a ridiculous feat (and it still kinda is) for Thor if the guy who was handling his ongoing at the time - who also wrote Fear Itself - didn't have him be portrayed as a psychopath with no phucks to give. There's also his prior history which has Mjolnir's power being able to damage beings far and away above his own tier.
That doesn't make Angrir "weak" or have shitty durability.
you think it's that lop-sided? not sure i'd say it was that skewed, but kc supes didn't show too much, unfortunately. i think initially that superman/herc confrontation was intended to show just how far above our kal kc supes was supposed to be though. i wonder if this were changed to oww superman if people would think he had a better chance.
Originally posted by leonidas
you think it's that lop-sided? not sure i'd say it was that skewed, but kc supes didn't show too much, unfortunately. i think initially that superman/herc confrontation was intended to show just how far above our kal kc supes was supposed to be though. i wonder if this were changed to oww superman if people would think he had a better chance.
O.k. A second round with oww version of superman VS team if you think that will be a more interesting match. I'm not familure with this version of superman but that makes the thread all the more interesting for me :3
