True Blood universe vs. Twilight Princess universe

Started by quanchi11232 pages

Originally posted by The Scenario
The thousand is easily more impressive given Link's level of effort and ability to do so multiple times without getting tired. Besides, we know how much rock and iron weigh, and we know how much ice weighs. That math has already been done.

I don't think you fully understand how this works. Your claim that they are made of only energy is not readily apparent to the eye. The Sages are shown touching a physical object, so they are obviously interacting with the physical world. Unless you can present something better, your energy claim holds no water.

You can't just say "apples and oranges" to cop out of all feats. Then you proceed to say they can't survive physical attacks, which is an explicit comparison. You can either accept the cannon and move on, or keep running away. But I think we both know what you'll choose, don't we?

We don't see the axe hurt Link, portrayal or otherwise. We canonically see him toss a huge boar, which directly shows his combat strength is greater than Russel's. How strong do you have to be to toss a boar that size, do you think?

Just to make sure we're on the same page here. Do you actually know what the Master Sword is? Do you know how the Triforce of Power works? Because it's statements like that one that really makes me question whether or not you even know who Ganondorf is.

What are you talking about here? We were discussing the reasoning behind Ganondorf and Voldemort being undead creatures, nothing about offensive magic. Your reasoning for why Ganondorf is undead also applies to Voldemort, that is all.

Did you read my post? I'm not certain you did. Do you not remember that we are discussing how Voldemort was defeated by love? I was saying the Master Sword was more impressive than a love charm. What does Avada Kedavra have to do with any part of that?

There's your answer. Ganondorf is not immune to his own magic, so if its his magic powering Twilight, of course Ganondorf isn't immune to it. The guy is capable of harming himself with his own magic. Do you not understand this? Wait, question. First of all, do you agree that Ganondorf can be harmed by his own magic?

If you're going to lie to me, at least try to make sure I can't doublecheck your BS. Also, maybe it would help if I didn't know more about the subject than you. (Midna broke the shield around Hyrule Castle, she will break Marnie's face.)

Please quote where I said Ganondorf was protected from all attacks. Otherwise, congrats on beating a straw man? I said that Ganondorf has shown resistance to the mental and transformative effects of the Fused Shadows, and he therefore has resistance to mental and transformation effects.

Tell me quan, where is Ganon coming from in this image, and where is he going?

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Hint: From the Twilight Realm and to the Light World. He travels between them easily.

It worked once, before Ganondorf got control of is powers. See the above image for how Ganondorf can portal to and from the Twilight Realm quickly, and in combat no less. Even assuming the BFR works (it won't) Ganondorf can portal himself back in seconds. (Heck, if you really need to see why this won't work, Zant could just go fetch him after he soloes True Blood himself.)

Link leaves himself vulnerable and its just lifting or tossing weight. Russell does so without leaving himself vulnerable or slowing himself down. Speculation.

We see they aren't made of flesh but energy. You on the one hand say look its ice but abandon that when it comes to the sages. They can interact would the physical but we can clearly see they aren't made of flesh. Consistency.

In their world this doesn't kill them as it is a ride. That doesn't mean arrows or swords bounce off of them. They don't. TB has modern weaponry and characters with super strength. Don't be silly.

We know the axe hurts him just like if you allow Bulbin to hit him. But you misrepresenting one cut scene to claim axes don't hurt him is disingenouous. We never see him destroy anyone with an axe so no examples of this great combat strength.

I know you Zelda freaks believe in this ridiculous hyperbole. I don't. Master Sword dispels his magic hence the reason he dies. The executioners sword fails to dispel magic hence why he resists being defeated not being stabbed. We have no examples of him being resistant to physical swords. None.

Wrong, as Voldemort has created Horcruxes which is different entirely than magic staving off the effects of the sword stab.

Love charm is more effective than the Master Sword is against the Ak. That's a fact.

He can have his own magic repelled at him in a weaker human body. Not the same thing at all. When has his own magic hurt him in his own body ?

I forgot about this. She was not only not conscious her spirit was outside her body hence the reason he could possess her. You'd sealed your own doom here. Dorf can only possess spiritless bodies.

Marnie defeats her prior to. She never bridges the shield before she is killed.

Transformative attacks aren't the same as bfring to another dimension. That's what beats him.

To Twili and back. He can't travel from any dimension just the ones he is familiar with. We also see him bfr'd successfully prior to and using your own portal isn't the same thing as being bfr'd.

Nah, if he could do so he wouldn't have needed Zant. We don't see him bfr'd we see him using his own portals.
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Niall beats him, Russell beats him, Lilith beats him, Godric beats him, Marnie beats him, Warlow beats him. You get the point.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd. You really, really need to replay TP.

Ganon has the ToP.
The ToP makes him highly resistant to magic and super durable.
The fae have no feats of overcoming magic resistance on any significant level.

They thus can do nothing to him. Also lol at modern weapons blowing him up. If the fused shadows couldn't do it an RPG certainly won't.

Dorf has his magic dispelled. He was bfr'd with the top.

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Prove he can resist a bfr attack.

The fused shadows attack did not attack physically hence the Zant kill. Quit claiming no limits when swords cut into him. Awful.

Originally posted by BloodRain
YouTube video
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Figured its worth Scream and Scene seeing just how a Faeries BFR works.

That isn't the only way to bfr.

Show me the other way?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yeah, okay, they're never going to pull that one off.

That is a worse BFR than what Ganondorf did to Phantom Ganon or Twinrova to Nabooru.

There are other ways to bfr.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf has his magic dispelled. He was bfr'd with the top.

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Prove he can resist a bfr attack.

The fused shadows attack did not attack physically hence the Zant kill. Quit claiming no limits when swords cut into him. Awful.


True Blood doesn't have the Master Sword.

Ganon has the ToP.
The ToP makes him highly resistant to magic and super durable.
The fae have no feats of overcoming magic resistance on any significant level.

The Fused Shadows destroyed Zant's body and the castle, you know, physical damage. So lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
True Blood doesn't have the Master Sword.

Ganon has the ToP.
The ToP makes him highly resistant to magic and super durable.
The fae have no feats of overcoming magic resistance on any significant level.

The Fused Shadows destroyed Zant's body and the castle, you know, physical damage. So lol.

They don't need it. Bfr, body destruction, head slap off, spine ripped out, etc.

Mirror worked and Ms worked. 😂

Prove it based off a claim. You just keep repeating a baseless claim.

Killed him then he was destroyed. Speculation.

Too much magic resistance and too durable for them to do any of that.

Mirror's a door, MS is more powerful than the entire TBverse.

You want me to prove Ganon has the ToP? Hah.

Exploded his body, destroyed the castle.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Too much magic resistance and too durable for them to do any of that.

Mirror's a door, MS is more powerful than the entire TBverse.

You want me to prove Ganon has the ToP? Hah.

Exploded his body, destroyed the castle.

Provide a feat which proves this.

No, it isn't. Ms is a joke.

Prove top can overcome bfr or magic. His own magic can be reflected back into him. 😂

Speculation.

The castle bust.

The lol'd. Joke weapons aren't planetary.

It's protected him from all sorts of magic before, it's protection is explicitly stated and is why you need the Master Sword to fight him.

Stop making excuses.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The castle bust.

The lol'd. Joke weapons aren't planetary.

It's protected him from all sorts of magic before, it's protection is explicitly stated and is why you need the Master Sword to fight him.

Stop making excuses.

Speculation.

This one isn't planetary.

Nah. It let him be bfr'd. Ms dispelled his magic. What has he resisted ?

Irony.

Castle Bust.

The sword is indeed planetary, take it up with the Zelda games if you don't like it.

It let him move through a portal. Herp. He's resisted in TP alone the Twilight Realm, light arrows, fused shadows, and a castle bust.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle Bust.

The sword is indeed planetary, take it up with the Zelda games if you don't like it.

It let him move through a portal. Herp. He's resisted in TP alone the Twilight Realm, light arrows, fused shadows, and a castle bust.

Speculation.

Prove it. Oh wait only TP.

Bfr'd. Overcame weak TOp. Resists certain force but can be destroyed and impaled. Happens often to him.

Castle Bust.

Shame you don't determine the canon. Mjolnir is still powerful in Marvel issues it doesn't appear in. C:

The mirror never interacted with the ToP and the only time he was impaled was by the Master Sword which no one in TB has.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle Bust.

Shame you don't determine the canon. Mjolnir is still powerful in Marvel issues it doesn't appear in. C:

The mirror never interacted with the ToP and the only time he was impaled was by the Master Sword which no one in TB has.

Speculation.

Mjolnir is powerful unlike Ms which can be parried against any weak ass knight in TP.

Mirror bfr'd Dorf who has top. Ms dispelled weak top magic.

Castle bust.

Show someone parrying it in a cutscene. The only canon instance of the sword being parried I can think of is the Ganondorf fight. It's straight up destroyed two other magical swords.

Never interacted with the ToP, no one in the TBverse can move Ganon through a portal he doesn't wish to move through. The ToP can stop the cycle of night and day while weakened, so lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle bust.

Show someone parrying it in a cutscene. The only canon instance of the sword being parried I can think of is the Ganondorf fight. It's straight up destroyed two other magical swords.

Never interacted with the ToP, no one in the TBverse can move Ganon through a portal he doesn't wish to move through. The ToP can stop the cycle of night and day while weakened, so lol.

Speculation.

We see you can parry it. We don't just look at cutscenes and ignore portrayal. Training is canon and he can be parried. 😂

Two weak guys parry so proof there.

Yes, they can. We see mirror bfr Dorf who had the top.

Fae can bfr with a blast. They also can easily toss his weight through in that way. Or blow him up. Etc.

Castle Bust.

Name one canon time it's parried. Also, lol@using sequences that occur in a pocket dimension and feature the ghost of the Hero of Time. You know, explicitly non-physical visions.

The only time it's parried in TP is by Ganondorf until you can prove it's been parried by anyone else.

The mirror sucked him through, magic resistance does not mean you cannot use portals.

Magic resistance, flight. They'd get murdered attempting it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Show me the other way?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link leaves himself vulnerable and its just lifting or tossing weight. Russell does so without leaving himself vulnerable or slowing himself down. Speculation.

He doesn't leave himself vulnerable during the sword lock. There, combat applicable. (Not actually speculation.)


We see they aren't made of flesh but energy. You on the one hand say look its ice but abandon that when it comes to the sages. They can interact would the physical but we can clearly see they aren't made of flesh. Consistency.

What does energy look like? Sure it's not flesh, but they still touch physical objects. Therefore physical, yes? Or would you prefer Ganondorf to start punching people in the soul? That is your argument here. Ganondorf punches souls and they explode.


In their world this doesn't kill them as it is a ride. That doesn't mean arrows or swords bounce off of them. They don't. TB has modern weaponry and characters with super strength. Don't be silly.

Yes, your argument is that everyone is super durable, we covered this already. Sure it doesn't mean swords bounce off, just that True Blood can't hurt them unarmed.


We know the axe hurts him just like if you allow Bulbin to hit him. But you misrepresenting one cut scene to claim axes don't hurt him is disingenouous. We never see him destroy anyone with an axe so no examples of this great combat strength.

It's the canon, though, and gameplay damage means nothing. He doesn't bleed in gameplay either. Hearts as health is useless for this, so the cutscene take precedence. Do you know why we don't count gameplay? Because a sword to the face is 1 heart. Gameplay makes Link more durable, not less.


I know you Zelda freaks believe in this ridiculous hyperbole. I don't. Master Sword dispels his magic hence the reason he dies. The executioners sword fails to dispel magic hence why he resists being defeated not being stabbed. We have no examples of him being resistant to physical swords. None.

Okay, so we have proof of Ganondorf not being defeated by swords and physical damage. That's more than enough for my purposes.


Wrong, as Voldemort has created Horcruxes which is different entirely than magic staving off the effects of the sword stab.

When the horcruxes/magic go away, is Voldemort destroyed?


Love charm is more effective than the Master Sword is against the Ak. That's a fact.

That's a claim, not a fact. Make a thread if you want to discuss it.


He can have his own magic repelled at him in a weaker human body. Not the same thing at all. When has his own magic hurt him in his own body ?

You really need to finish Ocarina of Time. Nonetheless, Ganondorf magic affects himself regardless of who's body he's using. Whether it's Zelda's, Marnie's, or his own the result is the same.


I forgot about this. She was not only not conscious her spirit was outside her body hence the reason he could possess her. You'd sealed your own doom here. Dorf can only possess spiritless bodies.

Nope. You really need to play more Zelda games. Marnie was controlled, that's a fact. Ganondorf controls her.


Marnie defeats her prior to. She never bridges the shield before she is killed.

Could you say that again, but clearer? Are you saying Marnie would defeat Midna before Midna can break the shield? If so, how? Midna's taken down castle sized barriers and exploded Zant, Marnie will not be a problem.


Transformative attacks aren't the same as bfring to another dimension. That's what beats him.

Not talking about BFR. The Fused Shadows have a mental effect and that's what Ganondorf resists. He can't be controlled reardless of his status.


To Twili and back. He can't travel from any dimension just the ones he is familiar with. We also see him bfr'd successfully prior to and using your own portal isn't the same thing as being bfr'd.

Just to the Twilight Realm and Light World, yes? So even if he somehow got BFR'd, he could always get back to Twilight, and then the Light World in turn. So he's back in seconds, but he'll never get thrown through any Faerie portal if they need to throw him. They just can't do it.


Nah, if he could do so he wouldn't have needed Zant. We don't see him bfr'd we see him using his own portals.
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We...don't see him BFR'd? Okay? He uses his portals to escape easily. And Zant could still solo.


Niall beats him, Russell beats him, Lilith beats him, Godric beats him, Marnie beats him, Warlow beats him. You get the point.

Zant soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. Midna soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. Ganondorf soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. You get the point.