True Blood universe vs. Twilight Princess universe

Originally posted by The Scenario
He doesn't leave himself vulnerable during the sword lock. There, combat applicable. (Not actually speculation.)

What does energy look like? Sure it's not flesh, but they still touch physical objects. Therefore physical, yes? Or would you prefer Ganondorf to start punching people in the soul? That is your argument here. Ganondorf punches souls and they explode.

Yes, your argument is that everyone is super durable, we covered this already. Sure it doesn't mean swords bounce off, just that True Blood can't hurt them unarmed.

It's the canon, though, and gameplay damage means nothing. He doesn't bleed in gameplay either. Hearts as health is useless for this, so the cutscene take precedence. Do you know why we don't count gameplay? Because a sword to the face is 1 heart. Gameplay makes Link more durable, not less.

Okay, so we have proof of Ganondorf not being defeated by swords and physical damage. That's more than enough for my purposes.

When the horcruxes/magic go away, is Voldemort destroyed?

That's a claim, not a fact. Make a thread if you want to discuss it.

You really need to finish Ocarina of Time. Nonetheless, Ganondorf magic affects himself regardless of who's body he's using. Whether it's Zelda's, Marnie's, or his own the result is the same.

Nope. You really need to play more Zelda games. Marnie was controlled, that's a fact. Ganondorf controls her.

Could you say that again, but clearer? Are you saying Marnie would defeat Midna before Midna can break the shield? If so, how? Midna's taken down castle sized barriers and exploded Zant, Marnie will not be a problem.

Not talking about BFR. The Fused Shadows have a mental effect and that's what Ganondorf resists. He can't be controlled reardless of his status.

Just to the Twilight Realm and Light World, yes? So even if he somehow got BFR'd, he could always get back to Twilight, and then the Light World in turn. So he's back in seconds, but he'll never get thrown through any Faerie portal if they need to throw him. They just can't do it.

We...don't see him BFR'd? Okay? He uses his portals to escape easily. And Zant could still solo.

Zant soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. Midna soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. Ganondorf soloes Niall, Russell, Lilith, Godric, Marnie, and Warlow at the same time. You get the point.

Dorf uses his magic to destroy an energy being. Happens all the time. They weren't souls but beings of energy.

TB characters have greater strength feats than TP weapons actually. They don't need weapons to break through his soft feminine skin.

Canon ride does not kill. We don't ignore gameplay and portrayal. You want to pick and choose what counts due to bias.

He can as he was clearly vulnerable and there is a no limits fallacy. Blow up his body is a sure fire win.

Off topic.

Ak kills every time not the Ms. Off topic though.

This is Tp only.

Dorf only controls those bodies minus a soul. Not the case with Marnie. HH destroys your he can possess conscious people with souls type arguments.

Yes, she beats her before she can break the shield. Yes, she will be a problem. Midna has defeated weak characters and will be a sitting duck while she is attacking the shield.

Bfr can't be argued. We have never seen anyone try to control him. Prove it.

No, he can't. Dimensional barriers block this kind of thing especially an area he is unfamiliar with. Warlow is strong enough as are various vamps to toss Dorf through.

Zant never solod anything. He can't escape another dimension without aid. He needed Zant. Zant can be blown up easily.

No, he can't. One bite to the neck and he is gone. Midna is taken out by modern weaponry.

Nah. Sages crushed Dorf as did a slower shittier Link than anyone of these weak feebs.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle Bust.

Name one canon time it's parried. Also, lol@using sequences that occur in a pocket dimension and feature the ghost of the Hero of Time. You know, explicitly non-physical visions.

The only time it's parried in TP is by Ganondorf until you can prove it's been parried by anyone else.

The mirror sucked him through, magic resistance does not mean you cannot use portals.

Magic resistance, flight. They'd get murdered attempting it.

Scene where he says it can be parried is proof it can be. 🙂 canon.

That is another example of weak sword being parried.

Define magical resistance. You have no idea and what you say never makes any sense.

His throat is torn out.

Originally posted by BloodRain

Castle bust.

Post it.

Planetary level power, weak. Lol'd. It took a sword created by the six sages that can survive forces that would wreck buildings.

Resistance to magical attacks.

No one in TB is powerful enough to do this to someone who shrugs off the power of the Fused Shadows.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle bust.

Post it.

Planetary level power, weak. Lol'd. It took a sword created by the six sages that can survive forces that would wreck buildings.

Resistance to magical attacks.

No one in TB is powerful enough to do this to someone who shrugs off the power of the Fused Shadows.

Already did.

Prove it.

Ms kills him which is magical.

Swords can impale him. Easily destroy him.

Castle bust.

No, you did not. So you cannot supply the evidence to support your claim?

Overcome the triforce.

1. Prove he died.
2. The Master Sword is more powerful than anyone in True Blood making it irrelevant. It actually does have showings of overcoming magic resistance, dispelling magic and destroying evil.

The only sword to harm him with the ToP is the Master Sword, a regular sword would break before piercing someone who tanks castle busting attacks.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle bust.

No, you did not. So you cannot supply the evidence to support your claim?

Overcome the triforce.

1. Prove he died.
2. The Master Sword is more powerful than anyone in True Blood making it irrelevant. It actually does have showings of overcoming magic resistance, dispelling magic and destroying evil.

The only sword to harm him with the ToP is the Master Sword, a regular sword would break before piercing someone who tanks castle busting attacks.

Already did.

Eyes shut. Obvious is obvious.
Prove it.

Both swords impaled him.

Castle bust.

C.A.

Prove what, that the sword has dispelled magic and destroyed evil? Like the curse on Link, for example?

Only one did so while he had the ToP. With it, he can tank castle busters unharmed, a regular sword would break before it could hurt him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Of what ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he tosses Gorons and uses the chain he does leave himself vulnerable. His sword won't be unsheathed so irrelevant.

Those are just proof of his super strength. When he's actually fighting seriously, he uses his sword and isn't left open. Heck, he's got a shield, too. Did you think think Link would've been trying to throw people?

Dorf uses his magic to destroy an energy being. Happens all the time. They weren't souls but beings of energy.

So nothing prevents him from exploding everyone in True Blood. By the way, what magic? All Ganondorf did was grab the guy and he exploded. No one in True Blood can counter that.

TB characters have greater strength feats than TP weapons actually. They don't need weapons to break through his soft feminine skin.

Not really, since Zelda has the higher strength feats and tends to explode people. Ganondorf still can't be killed by things that don't dispel his magic, though, right? By your own admission, he wasn't defeated. So Ganondorf resists all of True Blood, basically.

Canon ride does not kill. We don't ignore gameplay and portrayal. You want to pick and choose what counts due to bias.

Canon ride does not kill due to durability, yes. What's the problem? And no, actually, I've been pretty consistent on the "gameplay isn't canon" front. Even if it helps my cause, in the case of swords dealing less than 1 heart, and Link being revived by fairies, it's still gameplay and doesn't count. Really, there's nothing stopping me from claiming that Link takes swords to face easily using gameplay, but I don't. Cutscenes and events required for 100% completion only, even if it hurts Link. That's not bias.

He can as he was clearly vulnerable and there is a no limits fallacy. Blow up his body is a sure fire win.

Ah, but you say Ganondorf wasn't defeated by swords. He can clearly survive wounds that should be fatal, and his body has been destroyed before. Remember how Beast Ganon was destroyed and Ganondorf reformed? He can just reform from particles if he's blown up, it's great.

Off topic.

Ak kills every time not the Ms. Off topic though.

Very well.

Dorf only controls those bodies minus a soul. Not the case with Marnie. HH destroys your he can possess conscious people with souls type arguments.

Not really. How about I quote you, from another thread with this same exact problem:

Death has been controlled. Your nuh uh responses are typical.

Yes, so we know he can be controlled. Fact.

All we need to do is change a name here:

Marnie has been controlled. Your nuh uh responses are typical.

Add an 's' here:

Yes, so we know she can be controlled. Fact.

And voila! You are arguing that Marnie can be controlled regardless of any other factors or requirements. She's been controlled before, and that's all that matters. Feel free to argue with yourself over this, I'll make some popcorn and watch.

Yes, she beats her before she can break the shield. Yes, she will be a problem. Midna has defeated weak characters and will be a sitting duck while she is attacking the shield.

You've yet to explain how. I haven't seen anything of Marnie's that even makes her a threat to Midna, and her barrier is nothing compared to the one around Hyrule Castle. One Fused Shadow spear will take out the barrier, Marnie, and anyone else standing near the castle sized blast Midna will unleash on them.

Bfr can't be argued. We have never seen anyone try to control him. Prove it.

What are you talking about here? You're being really vague and it's not really relevant to anything I've said. What bfr, why can't it be argued? And we have seen him resist the mental effects of the Fused Shadows, so that proofs he resists mental control. What more do you need? The Mirror of Twilight failing to warp his mind like it did Yeta?

No, he can't. Dimensional barriers block this kind of thing especially an area he is unfamiliar with. Warlow is strong enough as are various vamps to toss Dorf through.

Show me the dimensional barrier, please, because I don' really see anything preventing Ganondorf from making his own portals and tossing people through. And I mean no faerie will ever manage to grab Ganondorf without getting stabbed, exploded, twilighted, possessed, or Din forbid, Beast Ganon'd all over. Plus he can go particle form and they can't do anything about it.

Zant never solod anything. He can't escape another dimension without aid. He needed Zant. Zant can be blown up easily.

Zant soloed Hyrule, Lanayru, early Link, and Midna, the latter three at once. He TK blasts and holds anyone that goes near him, and turns them into powerless Imps. Or uses Light Spirits to incinerate vampires. Or teleport stabs them. Or controls them with necromancy. Or Twilights them. Any number of ways.

No, he can't. One bite to the neck and he is gone. Midna is taken out by modern weaponry.

Zant wears a helmet that covers his neck, or did you forget? Midna can go intangible, and Telekinetically crush them with giant rocks or bridges. Or explode them with her hair. Or go Fused Shadow and start dropping Castle busters on people. Any number of ways.

Nah. Sages crushed Dorf as did a slower shittier Link than anyone of these weak feebs.

Then the Sages can crush True Blood via Mirror of Twilight BFR. Didn't think that one through, did ya?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Castle bust.

C.A.

Prove what, that the sword has dispelled magic and destroyed evil? Like the curse on Link, for example?

Only one did so while he had the ToP. With it, he can tank castle busters unharmed, a regular sword would break before it could hurt him.

You did.

I never said it couldn't but evil can also work against Link as well.

Giant head form, speculation, previous death attack did not harm body until afterwards, laughs.

Sword impales humanoid form every time. 🙂

Originally posted by BloodRain
The other bfr moments.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Of TB ?

'cause no other Fae (or other?) has shown the BFR portal until that episode iirc.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Those are just proof of his super strength. When he's actually fighting seriously, he uses his sword and isn't left open. Heck, he's got a shield, too. Did you think think Link would've been trying to throw people?

So nothing prevents him from exploding everyone in True Blood. By the way, what magic? All Ganondorf did was grab the guy and he exploded. No one in True Blood can counter that.

Not really, since Zelda has the higher strength feats and tends to explode people. Ganondorf still can't be killed by things that don't dispel his magic, though, right? By your own admission, he wasn't defeated. So Ganondorf resists all of True Blood, basically.

Canon ride does not kill due to durability, yes. What's the problem? And no, actually, I've been pretty consistent on the "gameplay isn't canon" front. Even if it helps my cause, in the case of swords dealing less than 1 heart, and Link being revived by fairies, it's still gameplay and doesn't count. Really, there's nothing stopping me from claiming that Link takes swords to face easily using gameplay, but I don't. Cutscenes and events required for 100% completion only, even if it hurts Link. That's not bias.

Ah, but you say Ganondorf wasn't defeated by swords. He can clearly survive wounds that should be fatal, and his body has been destroyed before. Remember how Beast Ganon was destroyed and Ganondorf reformed? He can just reform from particles if he's blown up, it's great.

Very well.

Not really. How about I quote you, from another thread with this same exact problem:

All we need to do is change a name here:

Add an 's' here:

And voila! You are arguing that Marnie can be controlled regardless of any other factors or requirements. She's been controlled before, and that's all that matters. Feel free to argue with yourself over this, I'll make some popcorn and watch.

You've yet to explain how. I haven't seen anything of Marnie's that even makes her a threat to Midna, and her barrier is nothing compared to the one around Hyrule Castle. One Fused Shadow spear will take out the barrier, Marnie, and anyone else standing near the castle sized blast Midna will unleash on them.

What are you talking about here? You're being really vague and it's not really relevant to anything I've said. What bfr, why can't it be argued? And we have seen him resist the mental effects of the Fused Shadows, so that proofs he resists mental control. What more do you need? The Mirror of Twilight failing to warp his mind like it did Yeta?

Show me the dimensional barrier, please, because I don' really see anything preventing Ganondorf from making his own portals and tossing people through. And I mean no faerie will ever manage to grab Ganondorf without getting stabbed, exploded, twilighted, possessed, or Din forbid, Beast Ganon'd all over. Plus he can go particle form and they can't do anything about it.

Zant soloed Hyrule, Lanayru, early Link, and Midna, the latter three at once. He TK blasts and holds anyone that goes near him, and turns them into powerless Imps. Or uses Light Spirits to incinerate vampires. Or teleport stabs them. Or controls them with necromancy. Or Twilights them. Any number of ways.

Zant wears a helmet that covers his neck, or did you forget? Midna can go intangible, and Telekinetically crush them with giant rocks or bridges. Or explode them with her hair. Or go Fused Shadow and start dropping Castle busters on people. Any number of ways.

Then the Sages can crush True Blood via Mirror of Twilight BFR. Didn't think that one through, did ya?

Yes, the fact he isn't fast enough to do so to two sages while they just stood there shocked. Fact they aren't energy beings, etc. Why do Zelda fans always assume one feat equals solo ? Even in his own game the guy went down right he he destroyed one guy. That's it; one.

TB attacks just like Sages did to beat him. I mean do you think killing one guy means something ? Russell slaps his head off.
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No they don't. We have seen TB characters exploded as well. They don't typically need weapons in order to do so.

Yes, he most certainly can. No limits fallacy. Body annihilation. Quit assuming no limits fallacies here its rather annoying. In his game he can survive being impaled but his foes stop attacking and no one ever completely annihilated his body. So there is that.

Not everyone in Hyrule is super durable. We see arrows, etc. hurt them all. Cannon ride just doesn't kill due to toon physics here. Gameplay proves what can harm him but we don't know where the sword strikes, etc.

His body was not destroyed it was defeated. We see him then change shapes. Nah, we see him alter his form is all. He never even healed from impalement from sage sword.

Completely different as I am not ignoring the reason she can control. It's through necromancy the characters. Dorf can control those minus a spirit unconscious. That's it.

I disagree but more importantly she has spells which make one forget who she is, make her skin fall off, telekinesis, etc. She is quite formidable other than Midna.

I'm saying he has been bfr'd so you can't argue otherwise as he has never resisted it.

You need examples of him tossing people through portals to use it as a tactic. You can't just powerset your way through a debate. The tactics I am arguing have been done. Claudine blast bfr'd someone unlike Warlow's bfr of Niall.

Zant had an army with him. Solo means one guy. You Zelda arguers and solo clearly ignoring the definition of the word. Again, never seen tactics you are clinging to but Tb have found a way to synthesize Fae blood. No more sun weakness.

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Slap his head off, or he takes it off since he fights with it off. Marnie makes her forget who she is. Speculation.

No, they defeat them easily as they aren't stand there and see what happens fools like Dorf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he uses his strength he needs to focus all his strength on something usually with gear being involved. Link can't even stop a goat easily as he needs to brace himself and use the proper technique in order to do so.

Again, that's just proving Link's super strength. It's catching stuff that charges at him and throwing it. He doesn't actually fight like that, as he uses his sword and shield in combat. Do you understand this? The sword lock with Ganondorf just proves he's also strong in combat. So if Russell tries to ram Link or something Link might toss him, but otherwise Link will just slash Russell or explode him with light.

Y'know, because this: http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/LinkvsRussell3_zpsece517db.gif

Yes, the fact he isn't fast enough to do so to two sages while they just stood there shocked. Fact they aren't energy beings, etc. Why do Zelda fans always assume one feat equals solo ? Even in his own game the guy went down right he he destroyed one guy. That's it; one.

Sage BFR is irrelevant to Ganondorf exploding a Sage. I mean, he blitzed the first one, and the guy exploded. Your argument does nothing to dispute that, you're just focusing on what happened afterwards. The point is, if Ganondorf can explode a Sage, he can explode any character on True Blood. No one has the resistance to stop this.

TB attacks just like Sages did to beat him. I mean do you think killing one guy means something ? Russell slaps his head off.
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I don't think anyone in True Blood can BFR Ganondorf, honestly. They'd first need to take the several seconds it takes to even make the portal, while a war is going on no less, and then someone would actually need to get close enough to Ganondorf to grab him, and then throw him through. Ganondorf would kill anyone that tried it. It's so unlike the Mirror of Twilight, where if the light hits you it turns you into particles and sucks you through. And yeah, killing a guy via an explosive grab is pretty impressive. All he needs to do is grab someone and they explode. And Ganondorf is still too resistant for anyone in True Blood to be able to damage him.

No they don't. We have seen TB characters exploded as well. They don't typically need weapons in order to do so.

Ganondorf didn't use a weapon. And who exploded whom?

Yes, he most certainly can. No limits fallacy. Body annihilation. Quit assuming no limits fallacies here its rather annoying. In his game he can survive being impaled but his foes stop attacking and no one ever completely annihilated his body. So there is that.

No one in True Blood has what it takes to kill Ganondorf. They can't annihilate his body, he can survive being impaled and having his body destroyed. Link destroyed Beast Ganon's body, remember?

Not everyone in Hyrule is super durable. We see arrows, etc. hurt them all. Cannon ride just doesn't kill due to toon physics here. Gameplay proves what can harm him but we don't know where the sword strikes, etc.

True Blood has trouble hurting durable toons. That's all that really needs to be said. Sure, arrows and blades might work, but no blunt force trauma is hurting cannon riders. And nah, gameplay proves Link can survive swords, spears, axes, scythes, maces, arrows, bombs, immolation, freezing, poison, electricity, and so on and so forth. 1 heart of damage.

His body was not destroyed it was defeated. We see him then change shapes. Nah, we see him alter his form is all. He never even healed from impalement from sage sword.

His body caught fire and burned up. Then he made a new one. And yeah, the Sage's wound seems unable to heal due to magic.

Completely different as I am not ignoring the reason she can control. It's through necromancy the characters. Dorf can control those minus a spirit unconscious. That's it.

Actually, Ganondorf does have necromancy. He has numerous undead minions, including poes, stalfos, and redeads. We see Zant using his power to control Stallord. So, there's that. (Ganondorf does possess and control people in other games, but alas.)

I disagree but more importantly she has spells which make one forget who she is, make her skin fall off, telekinesis, etc. She is quite formidable other than Midna.

Midna's telekinesis is better and she's blows up castles. She can become intangible and has mental resistance. Neither Marnie nor Antonia has a chance against her.

I'm saying he has been bfr'd so you can't argue otherwise as he has never resisted it.

He can escape with his own portals. Still, no one is ever going to be able to throw him through.

You need examples of him tossing people through portals to use it as a tactic. You can't just powerset your way through a debate. The tactics I am arguing have been done. Claudine blast bfr'd someone unlike Warlow's bfr of Niall.

Ah, I see.

Zant had an army with him. Solo means one guy. You Zelda arguers and solo clearly ignoring the definition of the word. Again, never seen tactics you are clinging to but Tb have found a way to synthesize Fae blood. No more sun weakness.

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Zant's Twilight Field soloed Hyrule. His Shadow Beasts were pretty much intimidation, and he can make them himself anyway. Hey there's an idea, Zant and Twilight can actually turn people into Twilight Beasts and add them to his army. That's actually a thing he's done, too. Ha, Shadow Beast apocalypse. Telekinesis blast and hold are things he did to Link and Midna. Teleport stabs were in his fight. And Midna had sunlight resistance, Lanayru's light still hurt her.

Slap his head off, or he takes it off since he fights with it off. Marnie makes her forget who she is. Speculation.

Replay the Zant fight. He fights with his helmet on, and is flying and changing the scenery the whole time. True Blood will have a hard time even touching him while he's shooting blasts everywhere and turning into a giant and warping reality.

No, they defeat them easily as they aren't stand there and see what happens fools like Dorf.

They all get thrown into the Twilight Realm.

Putting all time consuming posts that will snowball into others on hold for the time being.

I want everyone to have the time necessary to soak up Ganondorf since he will be dead for all time soon.

Originally posted by The Scenario

King of Mississippi >> King of Gerudo.

Quan you hadn't posted in this thread in two days. This thread was already 'on hold'.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quan you hadn't posted in this thread in two days. This thread was already 'on hold'.