Originally posted by BlackZero30xHe is a mortal who doesn't provide the green light itself.
lmao and I guess Green Lantern is Green Light....Anyways your logic doesn't track and you have nothing but the same tired argument. Your gonna think what you want no matter what so have at it. But you are wrong.
Still waiting on that list.
You concede. Good.
Marnie controls the dead aka Death.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He is a mortal who doesn't provide the green light itself.You concede. Good.
Marnie controls the dead aka Death.
Nope according to your logic he is green lantern therefore he is green light.
lol You would think I concede. Its your style of "debate" You make up a bunch of non sense, don't provide any form of proof other then the "You lose" until someone gets tired of you making claims with no back up then in your mind they concede.
Its the same claim you keep making without any kind of proof. Keep up the good debate tactic! 🙄
Anyways give the list in your next response or concede....
Originally posted by BlackZero30xWe are talking about the Death who empowers all the other lanterns, Reapers.
Nope according to your logic he is green lantern therefore he is green light.lol You would think I concede. Its your style of "debate" You make up a bunch of non sense, don't provide any form of proof other then the "You lose" until someone gets tired of you making claims with no back up then in your mind they concede.
Its the same claim you keep making without any kind of proof. Keep up the good debate tactic! 🙄
Anyways give the list in your next response or concede....
You have not provided any evidence yourself. I barely know anything about you. You're practically a ghost.
I have already proven my case your nuh uh responses aren't going to cut it.
Originally posted by BloodRainDeath is the embodiment of the concept yet he isn't dead ?
He is not dead so acting as if he is baseless.You want to make a claim you'll have to support it. Governing death does not mean he has to be dead. Because if he is dead, who reaped the Reaper?
Yes, he is.
He always existed as death or the concept.
Originally posted by quanchi112Why would he be? You said it yourself he's the concept of 'Death', the thing that takes away your mortality. Death is the means, dead is the result. To be dead you have to be die, and our eternal concept here has not gone through this process. His existence is that of angels and other concepts, none of them are dead until they die.
Death is the embodiment of the concept yet he isn't dead ?Yes, he is.
He always existed as death or the concept.
And if it wasn't for the fact that this is a Supernatural thread, that 'you're not dead until you die' line would look so.. yeah. :T
Originally posted by quanchi112
We are talking about the Death who empowers all the other lanterns, Reapers.You have not provided any evidence yourself. I barely know anything about you. You're practically a ghost.
I have already proven my case your nuh uh responses aren't going to cut it.
Thats because I haven't spent a lot of time in the debate sections for a long time. I use to debate in the comic vs then haven't been there for a few years. I started staying around the Movie vs mostly. I just started back up at posting more regularly. But......The Forum Ghost....I kinda like that! But I have been around these forums for a lot longer then what people think 😉 So I do know you.....or at least have seen you in action before.
You say I have no base for my claim. I have the show to back me up. You are the one with the Nuh responses. You are sitting there(presumably lol) making claims ignoring my requests and telling me im wrong....Thats not debating.
Please tell me of Marnie's greatest feat in controlling the dead. Something that compares to binding and controlling a primordial immortal with the power to give and take life on a whim to anything, on as massive a scale as Death from supernatural. Show me the proof that she has controlled someone on the power scale that can take the life of an all seeing and all knowing God, A being that can exist in any plane of existence they choose. Someone who's power is only rivaled by the very God that is going to be reaped one day anyways. He has been controlled by a ritual big whoop that doesn't mean he can be controlled by anything. Marnie needs that ritual or its not gonna happen.
So show me what was requested above and show me the requested list I have asked for 3 times already. If you don't then I suppose everyone here can chalk your claims up to either trolling or that you actually do know your wrong but just dont wanna admit it.......
Originally posted by quanchi112 Not as formidable as TB ghosts since salt and what not can destroy them, easily. Yes, they are. Sam can also fly into someone and explode their bodies. Hell hounds are invisible so are not here. Not at all. We have mindreaders and vamps who can glamour.Salt disperses SNGhosts, doesn't destroy them and they reform right away. What do we see from TBghosts? Possession and some TK? Compared to possession, some TK, super strength and speed, some element manipulation and creating physical harm on people with a thought? SNghosts are stronger, as are SNdemons.That's just the vamps not the hunters. That is who have all the methods to kill the SN characters. Even with said weaknesses easier said that done due to speed and weaponry of all the TB characters.
They can also be killed quickly by vamps. A lot is going to happen very quickly here due to TB vamp speed. Maryann can control all human characters as well.
Leviathans are easy to kill with certain household cleaning products. It's easier for tB characters to take control than the other way around. We also have Authority here which is organized as well as Bilith, Warlow, and Russell clearly all on another level.
Thats just the same as saying humans can be a threat to high ranking demons, etc. thing is TB characters take each other on supernaturally not just two humans hitting the road and massacring them all.
Were's are fairly strong humans who can turn into normal wolves, any Hunter would kill one. Shifters are average in body so will have to rely on animals forms; The most dangerous things we've seen is a bull and crocodile, any Hunter would kill one. In fact that fly-head-boom is the single thing a Shifter could do to pose a threat here. Being invisible make H.Hounds unbeatable? And how does either of that stop mid-demons or the many other beings all around from breaking the circle? TB: Find a human > abduct to disclosed are > glamour some info on the 40 creatures > inform a Fae > telepathically inform all Fae > inform as many vamps as possible > get resources and draw Devil Traps > lure demons into traps > stop said demon or others from breaking it > deal with the trapped demon.. How is this not a lot of effort for minimal reward? How long is it going to take? SN: Abduct anyone to hell > torture (On earth it would take less than a min) > telepathically inform all Angles > execute plan. This could be finishing by the time the vamps finishing glamouring.
Not sure what youre saying here. There are only 4 Hunters that know about higher SN weaknesses, so somehow the vamps would need to know exactly who to take. And its not easier said then done.. at all; Arcangels, Seraphs, Angels, Reapers, Pestilence, some Witches, Demons and Pagen gods... They can take infect them with Hep D, silver in their blood, set them on fire or take away their hearts.. all with a gesture. Can you honestly say that any plan TB comes up with could be as quick and dangerous as fatal gestures?
And on speed, only Eric and above vamps could possibly move at bullet speed. That makes a total of 6. Strong demons and strong witches are able to replicate this speed and reactions, and they're mid tier. The other mid and lower SN creatures? They're just somewhere superhuman in speed, but as are <500yr vamps. What I'm saying is that unless you want to get into the specifics of their speed, its a moot point.
Oh yeah, just find some products with Borax in it and a Levi will sizzle. Question time; Who has the Borax products? Even less people know about this weakness and Levi's are indistinguishable from other human looking beings. Lets not forget that Levi's have the strength to choke any vampire into the ground without much effort. And this is because...
About strength, Vamps are not high ranking here. Ripping out a humans spine and knocking heads off? Several low tier SNs like Were's use this method just to feast. Throwing people around? We see that happen with every strong SN. Casually tipping a 0.75 ton car? Jake with his mid-demon strength casually lifted a military vehicle where even a small one would be twice the weight of Sookie's car.
SN: Were's, Vamps < mid-demons < high-demons, Angels, Pagens < Seraphs, Leviathan < Arcangels
Maybe Warlow and Bill possess to strength to overpower mid-demon and harm an Angel.. thats as high as they get.
Mm no, its close but no. Certain pro Hunters can at best get the drop on high-demons with prep, assistance and after a lot of trial and error and timing. The only thing humans pose a threat to in one-on-one are low-demons, Hunters with the right gear and prep get mid-demons. TB have shown over and over that while Vamps overpower humans, in one-on-one with gear a competent human can kill low to mid tier Vampire. Basically the 500 or less club can't be too reckless.
Originally posted by quanchi112 Being easier to do so means it is easier. When has a Glamour failed on a human ? Maryann was greater than most vamps save Russell, Bilith, Godric, and Warlow. Her control over people was impressive.For having a weak mind, and like said people could resist something more potent than Glamour. Now what makes you think the 5 over 2,000yr are greater? Unlike their stats Glamour has been proven to be a practiced art, not to do with age. Like how a Vamp can have no access to or have poor skill if not developed, or how despite being 174 years her elder Bill's Glamour skills were competing with Jess'. We can make a fair assumption that those 5's skills are above Bill's, but there'd have to be a reason to assume its above an ancient mystical creature.1. No. 2. Humans. All physical beings only from both sides. 3. No, just human. 4. No. 5. No.
Yeah figured Dean and Cas wouldn't have those amps but what about Cas, he a Seraph? And why no Rabbits foot or Demon Sam?
Originally posted by BloodRainSo he is the embodiment so why is he alive again ? No, you can exist as Death without having died.
Why would he be? You said it yourself he's the concept of 'Death', the thing that takes away your mortality. Death is the means, dead is the result. To be dead you have to be die, and our eternal concept here has not gone through this process. His existence is that of angels and other concepts, none of them are dead until they die.And if it wasn't for the fact that this is a Supernatural thread, that 'you're not dead until you die' line would look so.. yeah. :T
He can be controlled so..
Marnie controls him.
Originally posted by BlackZero30xWell I do get around and make some noise.
Thats because I haven't spent a lot of time in the debate sections for a long time. I use to debate in the comic vs then haven't been there for a few years. I started staying around the Movie vs mostly. I just started back up at posting more regularly. But......The Forum Ghost....I kinda like that! But I have been around these forums for a lot longer then what people think 😉 So I do know you.....or at least have seen you in action before.You say I have no base for my claim. I have the show to back me up. You are the one with the Nuh responses. You are sitting there(presumably lol) making claims ignoring my requests and telling me im wrong....Thats not debating.
Please tell me of Marnie's greatest feat in controlling the dead. Something that compares to binding and controlling a primordial immortal with the power to give and take life on a whim to anything, on as massive a scale as Death from supernatural. Show me the proof that she has controlled someone on the power scale that can take the life of an all seeing and all knowing God, A being that can exist in any plane of existence they choose. Someone who's power is only rivaled by the very God that is going to be reaped one day anyways. He has been controlled by a ritual big whoop that doesn't mean he can be controlled by anything. Marnie needs that ritual or its not gonna happen.
So show me what was requested above and show me the requested list I have asked for 3 times already. If you don't then I suppose everyone here can chalk your claims up to either trolling or that you actually do know your wrong but just dont wanna admit it.......
What we know is Marnie controls the dead and Death can be controlled. Pretty logical conclusion here.
That does not matter as people less powerful than Death have controlled him before. All ghosts are immortal and she bound Antonia to her. Awesome feat.
You are angry that all the evidence supports me and nothing supports you.
Originally posted by BloodRainNo, I disagree. Salt doesn't take them out. There are any ways to defeat SN ghosts unlike TB but who cares as it isn't up for debate here.
Salt disperses SNGhosts, doesn't destroy them and they reform right away. What do we see from TBghosts? Possession and some TK? Compared to possession, some TK, super strength and speed, some element manipulation and creating physical harm on people with a thought? SNghosts are stronger, as are SNdemons.Were's are fairly strong humans who can turn into normal wolves, any Hunter would kill one. Shifters are average in body so will have to rely on animals forms; The most dangerous things we've seen is a bull and crocodile, any Hunter would kill one. In fact that fly-head-boom is the single thing a Shifter could do to pose a threat here. Being invisible make H.Hounds unbeatable? And how does either of that stop mid-demons or the many other beings all around from breaking the circle? TB: Find a human > abduct to disclosed are > glamour some info on the 40 creatures > inform a Fae > telepathically inform all Fae > inform as many vamps as possible > get resources and draw Devil Traps > lure demons into traps > stop said demon or others from breaking it > deal with the trapped demon.. How is this not a lot of effort for minimal reward? How long is it going to take? SN: Abduct anyone to hell > torture (On earth it would take less than a min) > telepathically inform all Angles > execute plan. This could be finishing by the time the vamps finishing glamouring.
Not sure what youre saying here. There are only 4 Hunters that know about higher SN weaknesses, so somehow the vamps would need to know exactly who to take. And its not easier said then done.. at all; Arcangels, Seraphs, Angels, Reapers, Pestilence, some Witches, Demons and Pagen gods... They can take infect them with Hep D, silver in their blood, set them on fire or take away their hearts.. all with a gesture. Can you honestly say that any plan TB comes up with could be as quick and dangerous as fatal gestures?
And on speed, only Eric and above vamps could possibly move at bullet speed. That makes a total of 6. Strong demons and strong witches are able to replicate this speed and reactions, and they're mid tier. The other mid and lower SN creatures? They're just somewhere superhuman in speed, but as are <500yr vamps. What I'm saying is that unless you want to get into the specifics of their speed, its a moot point.
Oh yeah, just find some products with Borax in it and a Levi will sizzle. Question time; Who has the Borax products? Even less people know about this weakness and Levi's are indistinguishable from other human looking beings. Lets not forget that Levi's have the strength to choke any vampire into the ground without much effort. And this is because...
About strength, Vamps are not high ranking here. Ripping out a humans spine and knocking heads off? Several low tier SNs like Were's use this method just to feast. Throwing people around? We see that happen with every strong SN. Casually tipping a 0.75 ton car? Jake with his mid-demon strength casually lifted a military vehicle where even a small one would be twice the weight of Sookie's car.
SN: Were's, Vamps < mid-demons < high-demons, Angels, Pagens < Seraphs, Leviathan < Arcangels
Maybe Warlow and Bill possess to strength to overpower mid-demon and harm an Angel.. thats as high as they get.Mm no, its close but no. Certain pro Hunters can at best get the drop on high-demons with prep, assistance and after a lot of trial and error and timing. The only thing humans pose a threat to in one-on-one are low-demons, Hunters with the right gear and prep get mid-demons. TB have shown over and over that while Vamps overpower humans, in one-on-one with gear a competent human can kill low to mid tier Vampire. Basically the 500 or less club can't be too reckless.
For having a weak mind, and like said people could resist something more potent than Glamour. Now what makes you think the 5 over 2,000yr are greater? Unlike their stats Glamour has been proven to be a practiced art, not to do with age. Like how a Vamp can have no access to or have poor skill if not developed, or how despite being 174 years her elder Bill's Glamour skills were competing with Jess'. We can make a fair assumption that those 5's skills are above Bill's, but there'd have to be a reason to assume its above an ancient mystical creature.
Yeah figured Dean and Cas wouldn't have those amps but what about Cas, he a Seraph? And why no Rabbits foot or Demon Sam?
You are greatly exaggerating the shitty hunters. They aren't anything special. We have seen them beaten time and time again due to death, etc. they are the stars hence they always comes back.
Non physical beings aren't in the thread so no Hell hounds. This won't all be taking place in 10 minutes both sides will have time to regroup, etc.
TB intel is going to happen quickly here as they can glamour or read minds and speak to each other. Makers can also sense their progeny.
No, it cannot. We see demons struggle against far less formidable beings than TB supernaturals.
No non physical beings are included here. They can't all do so easily but all demons and dead types can be controlled by Marnie. 🙂
Give me an example of demons who cannot be controlled due to being dead by Marnie who can replicate this feat ?
Dean and Sam know. Glamouring. Game over.
What makes you feel physical strength cannot harm an upper ranking angel or demon in a human body ?
That's just the heroes always winning type nonsense. We see more or less they prevail but they don't really pose a threat to vamps, Mary Anne, or Fae.
When has Glamour been resisted ? If you can't name a time a human has resisted it then it works against non supernatural types.
I want the characters as they normally appear.