Superman vs Hancock and Neo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for providing the link.

Matrix represents a computerized simulation in which individuals are like programs that can override one another; the stronger program can override weaker one. This footage depicts an overriding process but it fails since the agent comes back later on (his program sustained). I don't understand how this feat is applicable in a versus debate since Superman does not represents a program and nor he is part of a computerized simulation. By virtue of this explanation, Neo cannot pull off this feat against Superman.

Superman is lot more powerful then Agent Smith by the way.

Originally posted by carver9
All of Neo abilities are available here.

I know! But some of his abilities would not be possible against individuals that are not part of the virtual rituality he is. Neo's overriding capability is null and void in this contest unless he is dealing with another programmed individual like him.

It's understood that Neo's power are to be treated as if they are apart of the real world... Neo (as The One) is computer simulation, if you wanna use the logic of him not being able to use that move because the other person isn't a program like Smith is, then he should never be used on this forum because a computer simulation can't touch real people, and vice versa.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I do personally agree with this though. Superman isn't a program Neo can jump inside of like Smith is.

As shown in the movies mutliple times, Agents take over a person's body and use that to get around, so by entering Smith, he's also entering a human body. Thus there is no reason to assume that Superman would be immune.

No he isn't. He's entering a Matrix construct of a human body. Just data. The real humans are in those creepy pods filled with orange tang in the real world.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he isn't. He's entering a Matrix construct of a human body. Just data. The real humans are in those creepy pods filled with orange tang in the real world.

No?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he isn't. He's entering a Matrix construct of a human body. Just data. The real humans are in those creepy pods filled with orange tang in the real world.

Per the OP, we are treating his matrix abilities as if they were real, which means if he can enter a matrix human, then he can enter a human for the purposes of debate...same with all his other powers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No?

You agree that we are to treat all of Neo's moves as if they can happen in the real world, and "body exploding" is a valid move for Neo to use against non-computer program opponents.

or,

You think the move is invalid due to the move only working on computer programs, thus, all of Neo's moves are invalid because Neo is a computer program and NONE of his abilities can affect a non-computer program opponent.

Are these guys quan's sock accounts? because they're using exactly the same argument he used in the Bride vs Babydoll thread.

they're using ridiculous logic.

it's both annoying and entertaining.

I was just pointing out that Smith doesn't actually enter a human body in the first Matrix. Nothing in the Matrix is actually real.

I'm on two minds on the actual issue. I guess I'd say that he can still use his abilities, but that they wouldn't work on a real human. They'd work on himself though.

Also I just think that jumping in to everyone is horribly cheap.

Edit: Screw you guys for comparing me to Quan.

hey, i don't disagree that it's cheap (i feel the same way about "speedblitzing" and "mindrape"😉, but if the OP doesn't rule it out as an option, it's a valid win for the character.

Interesting issue. Since Neo can enter people in the matrix, he can do it in this versus thread.

However to assume the power opponent will not make a difference is a bit unrealistic. After all he wasn't simply able to enter Super Smith's body to win the fight in Revolutions despite the fact that he could do just that to a weaker incarnation of the same character in the first movie.

Anything carver wants isn't a win for anyone.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Interesting issue. Since Neo can enter people in the matrix, he can do it in this versus thread.

However to assume the power opponent will not make a difference is a bit unrealistic. After all he wasn't simply able to enter Super Smith's body to win the fight in Revolutions despite the fact that he could do just that to a weaker incarnation of the same character in the first movie.

I don't recall Neo trying and failing to enter the more powerful Smith...however I do recall Neo destroying the more powerful Smith and a few thousand of his clones remotely.

Originally posted by marwash22
they're using ridiculous logic.

it's both annoying and entertaining.

Superman doesn't represents virtual program. Even if Neo gets all of his abilities, his (super) abilities will be effective against other virtual programs like him. The real individuals would be anomalies for him.

In short, Neo is bad choice for versus debates.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Interesting issue. Since Neo can enter people in the matrix, he can do it in this versus thread.

However to assume the power opponent will not make a difference is a bit unrealistic. After all he wasn't simply able to enter Super Smith's body to win the fight in Revolutions despite the fact that he could do just that to a weaker incarnation of the same character in the first movie.

Superman is too powerful for Neo to explode from inside. Their is no programming to be found to override and the individual is too powerful.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
he wasn't simply able to enter Super Smith's body to win the fight in Revolutions despite the fact that he could do just that to a weaker incarnation of the same character in the first movie.

Smith tried to overwrite Neo, and failed.

call it a plothole that he never tried, but don't make stuff up.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Interesting issue. Since Neo can enter people in the matrix, he can do it in this versus thread.

However to assume the power opponent will not make a difference is a bit unrealistic. After all he wasn't simply able to enter Super Smith's body to win the fight in Revolutions despite the fact that he could do just that to a weaker incarnation of the same character in the first movie.

Explanation for this is:

In the first movie, Smith was part of the Matrix. When Neo finally mastered the Matrix he was able to unmake Smith. After that, Smith was disconnected from the Matrix. He existed as a parasite inside the Matrix but not part of the Matrix which is why Neo was unable to unmake him anymore. It's the same reason why Neo couldn't use the same tactic against Merovingian's cronies because all of them were actually reject programs and were already slated for deletion, they were not part of the Matrix anymore and thus Neo had no power over them. So Neo had to take them on the old fashioned way.

As for this debate, only the OP can decide if Neo's "unmaking" capabilities are carried over to the real world. Since there is proof that entities can exist inside the Matrix but are not part of the matrix, then maybe we can assume that's how Superman is in this fight. But right now the OP did say Neo has ALL his abilities, which is why I'm debating for it, but a proper point can be made against it as well.

One thing I do know though, is that will power has got nothing to do with whether Neo can make you explode or not.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for providing the link.

Matrix represents a computerized simulation in which individuals are like programs that can override one another; the stronger program can override weaker one. This footage depicts an overriding process but it fails since the agent comes back later on (his program sustained). I don't understand how this feat is applicable in a versus debate since Superman does not represents a program and nor he is part of a computerized simulation. By virtue of this explanation, Neo cannot pull off this feat against Superman.

Superman is lot more powerful then Agent Smith by the way.

When you are as strong as Superman and/or Zod, you don't need martial skills to get the job done.

You are underestimating Zod's speed. It took him some seconds to reach outer-space from earth ground, if I recall correctly.

1. No other person in the Matrix can override another, regardless of how strong. Only Matrix agents can override other people. Neo never did override Smith, he just unmade him.

2. Superman is more powerful than the original Smith, but looks pretty even with Oracle-Smith.

3. When someone is strong enough to hurt you, martial skills is a huge deciding factor, especially when that someone has mastered just about every martial art known to man.

4. Oh Zod is fast, in terms of running speed and flight speed and mobile speed in general. Smith however has far better combat speed feats. He's able to speed blitz with punches at a rate Zod has never been shown to do. And Smith is able to perform complex maneuvers at high speed whereas Zod can only perform basic movements in high speed. AND Neo is faster than Smith.

Since this is a fight and not a race, I imagine combat speed being a heavier factor here than mobile speed.