Originally posted by ares834
Are you even reading what I'm saying?And no, you're wrong. There is a reason why the Agents can't just hack the people who have left the matrix. Morpheus himself makes this clear when he explains to Neo that any of "them", which refers to the people that are unknowingly in the matrix, can become an Agent.
I've seen the movie, thank you. my point stands.
Originally posted by ares834
So you've seen the movie yet are saying stuff that contradicts it to win a debate.Ok.
So, according to you Neo can fly and stop bullets without being in the Matrix? Great, post the clips...otherwise my statement that all his powers were dependent on the Matrix was accurate.
Originally posted by marwash22
you're not talking about the same thing we're talking about.
What are you talking about?
I'm saying that some of the powers are dependent on how the opponent is inserted into the matrix. In this case the Agents' hacking.
Then, considering the similarities between Neo's unmaking and the Agents' hacking, and how Neo never utilizes it against the "virus" Smith; I come to the conclusion that that specific power of Neo's is also dependent on how the opponent is in the system.
Originally posted by marwash22
which is it?You agree that we are to treat all of Neo's moves as if they can happen in the real world, and "body exploding" is a valid move for Neo to use against non-computer program opponents.
or,
You think the move is invalid due to the move only working on computer programs, thus, all of Neo's moves are invalid because Neo is a computer program and NONE of his abilities can affect a non-computer program opponent.
Originally posted by marwash22
if you wanna use the logic of him not being able to use that move because the other person isn't a program like Smith is, then he should never be used on this forum because a computer simulation can't touch real people, and vice versa.
Not saying either.
The way I view it is the fight is not happening in the real world but in the Matrix itself. Which gives us two possibilities.
1. Superman is fully integrated into the matrix. If so, he gets blown apart.
2. Superman is hacked into the matrix. If so there is a chance that Neo's unmake move may be ineffective.
Originally posted by ares834my position is that, it doesn't (shouldn't) matter where the fight takes place because the unless the OP says otherwise, Neo is meant to be able to perform every move he did in his movie.
Not saying either.The way I view it is the fight is not happening in the real world but in the Matrix itself. Which gives us two possibilities.
1. Superman is fully integrated into the matrix. If so, he gets blown apart.
2. Superman is hacked into the matrix. If so there is a chance that Neo's unmake move may be ineffective.
Basically, Neo is to be treated as a program at all, he is to be treated as if he were flesh and blood and his powers aren't program-based.
Neo can fly rather fast
Originally posted by NemeBronot my position.
"He's basically God", lol, what a crock of shit.
I'm one of the people who think it's bogus that Neo wasn't more powerful than he was in the movie... he SHOULD have been a god, he should have been able to teleport, not bleed when hit with a sword, reshape the entire world as he saw fit, etc.
Originally posted by marwash22
not my position.I'm one of the people who think it's bogus that Neo wasn't more powerful than he was in the movie... he SHOULD have been a god, he should have been able to teleport, not bleed when hit with a sword, reshape the entire world as he saw fit, etc.