Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They key word is "MoS" in your statement. Of-course, if I just consider "MoS" depiction then I am considering a restricted or limited portrayal (or incarnation) of superman character. This is just like if I only consider "SR" portrayal (or incarnation) of superman.However, on the whole, superman have a lot bigger story and many feats accordingly.
http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-superman-man-of-steel-reboot-sandy-106351/
Originally posted by Silent Master
http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-superman-man-of-steel-reboot-sandy-106351/
Snyder says his Superman reboot (which likely will be titled Man of Steel, but that decision is not set in stone yet) will “respect the canon” of the character without being a slave to his previous film incarnations.
Check the quoted remark?
Originally posted by KingD19
That doesn't matter. This is Zod from the new Man of Steel movie. Only feats from the Man of Steel movie count. How do you not get this?
Tossing around heavy vehicles; shooting lazers; shattering skyscrapers; tolerating freezing space; being able to fly around just like superman; heavily experienced in combat...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for this link.Snyder says his Superman reboot (which likely will be titled Man of Steel, but that decision is not set in stone yet) will “respect the canon” of the character without being a slave to his previous film incarnations.
Check the quoted remark?
Reboot means to start over, that means it's a new series.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for this link.Well, he is even better in MoS if I recall correctly... 😎
Tossing around heavy vehicles; shooting lazers; shattering skyscrapers; tolerating freezing space; being able to fly around just like superman; heavily experienced in combat...
Hancock and Mary did that. Hancock can control tornadoes, while Mary controls lightning. Hancock and Mary while weakened smashed through a skyscraper on accident. Hancock flew to the moon and painted it before anyone noticed it was painted, then flew back to New York still before anyone noticed. Hancock can fly as well. Hancock is experienced in combat as well and has fast enough reflexes to brush off an RPG round.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Technically yes. Reboot is supposed to retcon previous canon or depiction. However, developers are talking about "respecting the canon" in this case.
Respecting canon doesn't mean that feats from an old series count....it means things like keeping him a Kryptonian that was sent to Earth and has superpowers that he uses to protect people, rather than making him a normal human that got his powers from a meteor that landed in his backyard.
Originally posted by KingD19
Hancock and Mary did that. Hancock can control tornadoes, while Mary controls lightning. Hancock and Mary while weakened smashed through a skyscraper on accident. Hancock flew to the moon and painted it before anyone noticed it was painted, then flew back to New York still before anyone noticed. Hancock can fly as well. Hancock is experienced in combat as well and has fast enough reflexes to brush off an RPG round.😎
This link contains a scene depicting Zod destroying buildings with his laser vision: http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2013/05/man-of-steel-superman-funny-gifs-tv-spots-posters/
Speed wise, Hancock might be better but being able to trade punches with superman indicates unprecedented strength and Hancock doesn't matches Superman's power (World Machine busting feat).
Zod is too powerful for Hancock to control.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Respecting canon doesn't mean that feats from an old series count....it means things like keeping him a Kryptonian that was sent to Earth and has superpowers that he uses to protect people, rather than making him a normal human that got his powers from a meteor that landed in his backyard.
From the link:
Superman fans definitely have their own thoughts and feelings about how to properly portray the character onscreen, but there's always the question of how much influence they should bear. On his end, Snyder at least seems interested in pushing the envelope and crafting a Man of Steel adventure that doesn't ignore the history of franchise but is very much its own creation as well. Take that as you will.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Weather controlling power doesn't helps Hancock in this fight. Zod can tolerate all such things. Zod's laser would be an issue of Hancock to deal with.This link contains a scene depicting Zod destroying buildings with his laser vision: http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2013/05/man-of-steel-superman-funny-gifs-tv-spots-posters/
Speed wise, Hancock might be better but being able to trade punches with superman indicates unprecedented strength so Hancock doesn't matches Superman's power (World Machine busting feat).
Zod is too powerful for Hancock to control.
Hancock put out an apartment fire and was completely unaffected from the heat. He flew through space and was completely unaffected by the cold. Temps shouldn't be a problem for him.
The tornadoes he created were massive in size.
And Hancock's feats make it plain to see he could trade punches with Superman as well, and especially Zod since he wasn't as strong as Kal-El, because he hadn't been on Earth that long.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDEven if we just consider reboot, Superman's character is in self-exploratory situation. The full extent of his capabilities are not yet known in this context.
From the link:
Superman fans definitely have their own thoughts and feelings about how to properly portray the character onscreen, but there's always the question of how much influence they should bear. On his end, Snyder at least seems interested in pushing the envelope and crafting a Man of Steel adventure that doesn't ignore the history of franchise but is very much its own creation as well. Take that as you will.
You can't claim feats he doesn't have. Until we see another movie, all we can go on is what he's shown. Those are the rules.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even if we just consider reboot, Superman's character is in self-exploratory situation. The full extent of his capabilities are not yet known in this context.From the link:
Superman fans definitely have their own thoughts and feelings about how to properly portray the character onscreen, but there's always the question of how much influence they should bear. On his end, Snyder at least seems interested in pushing the envelope and crafting a Man of Steel adventure that doesn't ignore the history of franchise but is very much its own creation as well. Take that as you will.
As it is a reboot, MOS is all we can use for feats as it's the only movie where these new characters are shown.
Originally posted by KingD19
Hancock put out an apartment fire and was completely unaffected from the heat. He flew through space and was completely unaffected by the cold. Temps shouldn't be a problem for him.
Originally posted by KingD19
The tornadoes he created were massive in size.
Originally posted by KingD19
And Hancock's feats make it plain to see he could trade punches with Superman as well, and especially Zod since he wasn't as strong as Kal-El, because he hadn't been on Earth that long.
Originally posted by KingD19
You can't claim feats he doesn't have. Until we see another movie, all we can go on is what he's shown. Those are the rules.
Ugh, this is getting out of hand. We are discussing Zod here from the MOS movie, and only that version of Zod. Period.
As for flying into the world breaker being more impressive than stopping the train, how would you know? There wasn't any way for us to quantify how strong that world breaker was. If all we can say about the world breaker is that it seemed strong because it was crushing cars and buildings well, if the train smashed into a building or a car then you'd pretty much have the same effect, probably more so.
Superman struggled with the world breaker, Hancock shrugged off that train.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Zod have these capabilities.They wouldn't hold Superman and Zod.
Hancock will put up a fight against Superman but will eventually go down. When Superman gathers strength, he is too powerful.
Show me official declaration of original trilogy being retconned.
I know Zod can pull that off. The point I'm making is that so can Hancock, so claiming his heat vision is the be all end all is wrong.
And this is not against Superman, this is against Zod. Who wasn't as powerful due to just getting to Earth.
The tornadoes wouldn't hold them, but they'd definitely be affected. At least enough for Hancock to press an offensive attack.
And you have to be slow to not get what we mean. I'm not even insulting you, I just fail to see how you don't understand something so simple. This is a "specific" version of Zod. You can't claim feats from a "different" version of Zod.
We can't say MoS Superman can lift an island of Kryptonite because he didn't do it. The previous Superman can however, because he did.
Originally posted by FrothByte
As for flying into the world breaker being more impressive than stopping the train, how would you know? There wasn't any way for us to quantify how strong that world breaker was. If all we can say about the world breaker is that it seemed strong because it was crushing cars and buildings well, if the train smashed into a building or a car then you'd pretty much have the same effect, probably more so.Superman struggled with the world breaker, Hancock shrugged off that train.
A train doesn't even registers against the destructive capabilities and power of the World Engine. Re-check all of previous posts in this thread to learn about World Engine.
Also, Superman tossed a train engine like a missile in MoS.
Originally posted by KingD19
Tossing a train engine doesn't compare to stopping a speeding freight train with thousands of tons of force and momentum behind it.
Even if we overlook the train engine tossing feat; the World Engine busting feat trumps everything.
Not necessarily. A normal guy in times of extreme adrenaline(his uncle was being crushed under a 2,000-4,000lb car) lifted a car completely off the ground by the front end.
Yet that same guy in the exact same circumstance wouldn't be able to completely stop that car if it was driving at him full speed.
Originally posted by KingD19
Not necessarily. A normal guy in times of extreme adrenaline(his uncle was being crushed under a 2,000-4,000lb car) lifted a car completely off the ground by the front end.Yet that same guy in the exact same circumstance wouldn't be able to completely stop that car if it was driving at him full speed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDA train doesn't even registers against the destructive capabilities and power of the World Engine. Re-check all of previous posts in this thread to learn about World Engine.
Also, Superman tossed a train engine like a missile in MoS.
Are you serious? One "slam" of that world engine flattened cars and cracked buildings. If you get a freight train traveling at full speed and smash it vertically against a car, not only would the car be crushed but the pavement under will also suffer way more damage than what the world engine did. The world engine needed repeated "slams" to generate the amount of destruction it did. It's not like it generated that destruction in a single pulse.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Are you serious? One "slam" of that world engine flattened cars and cracked buildings. If you get a freight train traveling at full speed and smash it vertically against a car, not only would the car be crushed but the pavement under will also suffer way more damage than what the world engine did. The world engine needed repeated "slams" to generate the amount of destruction it did. It's not like it generated that destruction in a single pulse.
Should I tell you that how deep the inner Earth Core is?
Do not force me to get the movie and show some images from it that will shut every critic here.
Superman endured world engine's crushing pressure for several minutes and then destroyed it in the process after gathering his power. The feat trumps anything depicted in Hancock movie.