Hancock vs. Zod

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
sending shockwaves through the whole mass of the planet which is thousands of kms wide;

There were absolutely no shockwaves... at all. If there were shockwaves being sent through the planet, there would have been earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, and the planet would have actually been destroyed via being literally shaken apart from the inside out. The ground wasn't even shaking between pulses.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
destroying gigantic buildings around;

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Dont forget Kal was weak during the entire ordeal. Kal escaping a black hole > world engine feat anyway

The black hole feat is one of speed, and again, it's not even Zod's feat.

i know its not Zod's feat, you effin' nerd. I wasn't trying to quantify the world engine feat, anyway. I was just mentioning Kal was weak when he was doing it.

I was just saiyan.

Not so sure the gravity feat is just speed. Could be strength too. Tricky blackhole.

Originally posted by marwash22
never happened.

There were absolutely no shockwaves... at all. If there were shockwaves being sent through the planet, there would have been earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, and the planet would have actually been destroyed via being literally shaken apart from the inside out. The ground wasn't even shaking between pulses.

Originally posted by marwash22
entire buildings weren't destroyed by the world machine in one pulse; buildings fell when missiles and jets crashed into them... when the pulses of gravity neared Perry and the girl he trying to save, the pulses of gravity destroyed what remained of the already fallen buildings. You're claiming that the gravity was so strong that it annihilated entire buildings in one wave? If that were the case, the cars would have been reduced to dust instead of being pounded into the ground repeatedly, and there would have been a massive crater in the area... there wasn't, the land all around the area remained the same.

Then the action moves to Metropolis. There General Zod begins straight up massacring people; his World Engine destroys what seems to be square miles of prime business real estate in the middle of the work week.

Link: http://badassdigest.com/2013/06/15/why-the-destruction-in-man-of-steel-matters/

In addition, a large crater was being formed by the World Engine in New York.

Watch the ground condition here: http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/man-of-steel-attack-on-metropolis.png

Originally posted by marwash22
the feat is still unquantifiable because you don't know how much force of gravity is being projected. Also, it's not even Zod's feat.

The World Engine working inside an ocean lifted oceanic water around it; such was its pressure.

The computers were showing the energy going through the planet... not once was anything said about shockwaves. So now your argument is that the producers effed up? They didn't have to focus on it... if there were shockwaves being created, the ground would have been shaking when Perry was trying to rescue the girl... but that wasn't the case. The only thing the world machine was doing was increasing the Earth's gravity. NO SHOCKWAVES at all... stop making stuff up.

Missiles and jets crashing into the buildings is what made them fall... all the world machine did was flatten what was left of the already fallen buildings; so how exactly did the world machine cause more damage?
you made the claim that millions of tons of force was involved and that said force was responsible for destroying buildings. I see backpedaling is something you do well.

that description of the events and the picture of the crater is the epicenter (the point where the beam impacts the ground)... we're talking about the expanding radius of gravitational force. There were no craters in the area where the car were being lifted and slammed into the ground... that was NOT millions of tons of force.

lol, how much do you think water weighs?

Originally posted by marwash22
The computers were showing the energy going through the planet... not once was anything said about shockwaves. So now your argument is that the producers effed up? They didn't have to focus on it... if there were shockwaves being created, the ground would have been shaking when Perry was trying to rescue the girl... but that wasn't the case. The only thing the world machine was doing was increasing the Earth's gravity. NO SHOCKWAVES at all... stop making stuff up.

Missiles and jets crashing into the buildings is what made them fall... all the world machine did was flatten what was left of the already fallen buildings; so how exactly did the world machine cause more damage?
you made the claim that millions of tons of force was involved and that said force was responsible for destroying buildings. I see backpedaling is something you do well.

that description of the events and the picture of the crater is the epicenter (the point where the beam impacts the ground)... we're talking about the expanding radius of gravitational force. There were no craters in the area where the car were being lifted and slammed into the ground... that was NOT millions of tons of force.

lol, how much do you think water weighs?

1. Producers often eff up lot of stuff in the movies; MoS isn't a reality show.
2. Fighter jets are not big enough to cause collapse of skyscrapers. And neither would skyscrapers break from mid-section from such collisions.
3. Cars are not strong enough to produce craters in the hard ground on impact. Ever seen vehicle tossing feats of Tornadoes? Vehicles end up getting destroyed rather then producing craters on the ground unless the ground is too soft like sand.
4. Millions of tons of force would be in the beams. When the beam was unleashed, the resulting impact offered phenomenal signs of incredible level of power/pressure in them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Producers often eff up lot of stuff in the movies; MoS isn't a reality show.

lmao! I'm stating the facts as they happened in the movie, you're the one making stuff up about shockwaves being sent through the Earth... that was NEVER stated in the movie, you made it up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2. Fighter jets are not big enough to cause collapse of skyscrapers. And neither would skyscrapers break from mid-section from such collisions.

When the jets/missiles crashed into the building, that is what caused the buildings to break in half and fall to the streets near Perry White.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
3. Cars are not strong enough to produce craters in the ground on impact. Ever seen vehicle tossing feats of Tornadoes? Vehicles end up getting destroyed rather then producing craters on the ground unless the ground is too soft.

I'm not talking about cars creating craters. You made the claim that the world machine was projecting millions of tons force... if that were the case, the area where the cars were being slammed into the ground would have been one giant crater... there was no crater, because the was no millions of tons of force. YOU MADE THAT UP TOO!

lol, I'm done trying to convince a crazy person.

deuces.

If you dont think Hancock wins, you hate black people.

Originally posted by marwash22
so your argument is that the producers of the movies went through all the trouble of being scientifically accurate when it came to terraforming, but then they just completely forgot about the effects of shaking the Earth from the inside would have?

lmao! I'm stating the facts as they happened in the movie, you're the one making stuff up about shockwaves being sent through the Earth... that was NEVER stated in the movie, you made it up.

Go watch the movie again.

When the jets/missiles crashed into the building, that is what caused the buildings to break in half and fall to the streets near Perry White.

facepalm

I'm not talking about cars creating craters. You made the claim that the world machine was projecting millions of tons force... if that were the case, the area where the cars were being slammed into the ground would have been one giant crater... there was no crater, because the was no millions of tons of force. YOU MADE THAT UP TOO!

lol, I'm done trying to convince a crazy person.

deuces.

Again: The world engine needed repeated "slams" in order to make such destruction. It didn't do them all in one pulse. So we really have no idea of how much force it was exerting on Superman as he flew into it. But even if we did assume that it's pressure was stronger than the train, that still doesn't take into consideration that Superman strained against the world breaker whereas Hancock barely put any effort into stopping the train.

I mean, which one would you consider more impressive? A man who kills a bear with his bare hands but nearly kills himself in doing it? Or a man who kills a hyena with a light slap.

The World Engine's power blows that of a train out of the water. It's pulse was so strong that skyscrapers several blocks away were being completely flattened. And Superman tanked not the outskirts of the pulse but the very center of it.

Superman's feat shits all over Hancock's IMO.

With that said, we never get any indication of Hancock's durability at all. He isn't hurt once throughout the movie until he comes into contact with the women. Nor does he show any strain when it comes to his strength. So this fight is pretty much impossible to call.

Some serious trolling going on in this thread.

1. Hancock easily

2. Zod works for it but wins

When Superman was flying against the World Engine he was weakened...

MOS Zod lost to a farm boy with no previous fighting experience, had barely learned any of his powers, including flying. To top it off he gets he neck snap by the farm boy. So much for Zod being a warrior.

Yeah, I'm going with Hancock. Now if this Zod from superman II, that would be a different story.

Originally posted by Kotor3
MOS Zod lost to a farm boy with no previous fighting experience, had barely learned any of his powers, including flying. To top it off he gets he neck snap by the farm boy. So much for Zod being a warrior.

Yeah, I'm going with Hancock. Now if this Zod from superman II, that would be a different story.

Dont forget the beating he took from Supermans dad,,,,,a scientist. All Zod did in MOS was get his @ss handed to him. Your right about the Superman 2 Zod. He would be much more of a threat.

Originally posted by Mindset
If you dont think Hancock wins, you hate black people.

Originally posted by tkitna
Dont forget the beating he took from Supermans dad,,,,,a scientist. All Zod did in MOS was get his @ss handed to him. Your right about the Superman 2 Zod. He would be much more of a threat.

lol

I actually forgot about that one.

Zod imo.

Originally posted by Estacado
When Superman was flying against the World Engine he was weakened...

Zod wasn't weakened when Kal snapped his neck.

Superman isn't in this fight, Zod is, and we saw that Superman is stronger than Zod... meanwhile, Hancock didn't struggle to do anything in his movie, not with tossing a 30 ton whale a mile away, not with completely stopping 4k+ tons of force delivered by the train... he was never visibly tired or injured, the guy who was stronger than Zod (the guy who snapped Zod's neck) displayed both of those things.

Using the feats of Superman (who was shown to be stronger than Zod) to prove that Zod is stronger than Hancock, is flawed; for one, since Zod is weaker than Superman, he wouldn't be able duplicate his feats, secondly, the feats are either not better than Hancock's, or completely unquantifiable. Nothing Superman did can be used as reasons why Zod can defeat Hancock.

Everything points to Zod not being able to hurt Hancock, and Hancock being able to break Zod's neck.

Shut your mouth fanboy uhuh