Thor Vs Mr. Majestic

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can you read my mind?

He was at the disadvantage. Not too long ago you were arguing how Superman isn't weak to blunt force objects that are magic.....

They referenced another team. Almost certainly talking about the Avengers, but that doesn't mean to the DC Universe, everything occurred exactly the same after the crossover was finished.

Who says they have to merge? Besides, according to forum rules, battles take place in a neutral Universe.

uhuh

Going by a simple knockdown? He is not as vulnerable to blunt magical objects as to cutting objects. Its moot since mjolnir was also charged by lightning and Busiek's superman was as vulnerable to magical attacks as any writer's superman on average.

Not going by your logic.

Because that's why they were able to affect superman when its clearly established that alternate reality kryptonite doesn't affect superman.

The contestant would still come from an alternate universe and thus the kryptonite would be in-effective. Its a mod ruling at this point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea...after Thor waded though an all out, universe on the line massive HV blast for multiple panels.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Abhilegend is to superman as battlehammer was to wolverine, once it starts there is no stopping it.

This thread is about Majestros strength vs Thor and here it is whittled to superman vs thor.

Majestros>Thor slightly in strength, Superman has nothing to do what that at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I can.

uhuh

Going by a simple knockdown? He is not as vulnerable to blunt magical objects as to cutting objects. Its moot since mjolnir was also charged by lightning and Busiek's superman was as vulnerable to magical attacks as any writer's superman on average.

Not going by your logic.

Because that's why they were able to affect superman when its clearly established that alternate reality kryptonite doesn't affect superman.

The contestant would still come from an alternate universe and thus the kryptonite would be in-effective. Its a mod ruling at this point.

Yes, we don't have much of a fight to analyze so every little scene is important as far as I'm concerned. Superman's mystical weakness not brought up even once as far as I recall. You think his vulnerability was in play during their fight? Possible but I don't find that likely.

Evidence of this? I'm really curious because I'm pretty sure Kryptonite has affected Alternate Kryptonians and vise versa. Prime is the only except I can think of.

But it's a neutral Universe. Is that not the same principle as a merged Universe? Assuming that's the key component. I'd like one too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, we don't have much of a fight to analyze so every little scene is important as far as I'm concerned. Superman's mystical weakness not brought up even once as far as I recall. You think his vulnerability was in play during their fight? Possible but I don't find that likely.

Evidence of this? I'm really curious because I'm pretty sure Kryptonite has affected Alternate Kryptonians and vise versa. Prime is the only except I can think of.

But it's a neutral Universe. Is that not the same principle as a merged Universe? Assuming that's the key component. I'd like one too.

Busiek especially mentioned "enchanted hammer" when he described Thor's attack on superman in the first issue.

Superman being un-affected by pocket universe kryptonite, SBP being unaffected by normal earth's kryptonite but being affected when Earth prime's element lad transmuted kryptonite, Kal-L and Power Girl being unaffected by Earth-one's kryptonite, KC superman being unaffected and other examples like that.

Its a Mod ruling that kryptonite created by other reality characters wouldn't affect superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Knocking down someone isn't being at an advantage. It happens in every fight.

Busiek especially mentioned "enchanted hammer" when he described Thor's attack on superman in the first issue.

Superman being un-affected by pocket universe kryptonite, SBP being unaffected by normal earth's kryptonite but being affected when Earth prime's element lad transmuted kryptonite, Kal-L and Power Girl being unaffected by Earth-one's kryptonite, KC superman being unaffected and other examples like that.

Its a Mod ruling that kryptonite created by other reality characters wouldn't affect superman.

If Superman had continued to fight in close combat, then you'd have a point. But he was knocked down, and stayed down for multiple panels. Just as the opening exchange portrayed Superman's speed advantage, this portrayed Thor's advantage in hand to hand. And it's completely consistent with the Captain Marvel/Thor fight.

So what? That doesn't mean Superman's vulnerability was played up. Especially since we know how Busiek treats Superman's vulnerability to magic in comparison to other writers. Superman is vulnerable to being turned into a frog as any mortal, but an object like Mjolnir doesn't bypass his invulnerability according to him or whatever.

Link? How does this apply to a vs. fight where battles take place in a neutral Universe?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Superman had continued to fight in close combat, then you'd have a point. But he was knocked down, and stayed down for multiple panels. Just as the opening exchange portrayed Superman's speed advantage, this portrayed Thor's advantage in hand to hand. And it's completely consistent with the Captain Marvel/Thor fight.

So what? That doesn't mean Superman's vulnerability was played up. Especially since we know how Busiek treats Superman's vulnerability to magic in comparison to other writers. Superman is vulnerable to being turned into a frog as any mortal, but an object like Mjolnir doesn't bypass his invulnerability according to him or whatever.

Link? How does this apply to a vs. fight where battles take place in a neutral Universe?

Why not? Enough to give him an anti-magic shield against a weakened Arion when no other writer has done that and the writers who consider him weak against magic have written him straight up beating sorcerors? Magic lightning hurts him as much under Busiek as under any writer.

I would post it as soon as search function acts normally. Because the laws of DCU still apply to that universe and according to that no alternate kryptonite can hurt superman.

Guys, JLA Avengers? Really?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And that proves he was losing the fight? He was down for one panel and then he started his speech and HV'ed thor. That in no way proves anything except you drawing assumptions of superman starting to make a speech to him being unable to fight for those panels or something.

Why not? Enough to give him an anti-magic shield against a weakened Arion when no other writer has done that and the writers who consider him weak against magic have written him straight up beating sorcerors? Magic lightning hurts him as much under Busiek as under any writer.

I would post it as soon as search function acts normally. Because the laws of DCU still apply to that universe and according to that no alternate kryptonite can hurt superman.

It does. He was knocked down, and at a disadvantage in hand to hand.

You can speculate as to what his stance is, I'm going to take his word for it. I also think if Superman was mystically vulnerable to Mjolnir or it's charge, it'd come up even once at some point. Like it you know, usually does?

But it's a neutral Universe, so it doesn't matter, they are in essence merged. There's a reason people don't argue Flash has no access to Speed Force in vs. battles.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, JLA Avengers? Really?

Lol.

The comic clearly shows Superman on the ground for multiple panels.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does. He was knocked down, and at a disadvantage in hand to hand.

You can speculate as to what his stance is, I'm going to take his word for it. I also think if Superman was mystically vulnerable to Mjolnir or it's charge, it'd come up even once at some point. Like it you know, usually does?

But it's a neutral Universe, so it doesn't matter, they are in essence merged. There's a reason people don't argue Flash has no access to Speed Force in vs. battles.

Speculating? He gave superman an anti-magic shield for god's sake. Which writer has ever done that? Except the ENCHANTED HAMMER part in the bold in the narration?

Argue with pr. He was the one who made the ruling, not me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't. If getting knocked down is a sign of losing a fight, characters would lose every fight.

Speculating? He gave superman an anti-magic shield for god's sake. Which writer has ever done that? Except the [b]ENCHANTED HAMMER part in the bold in the narration?

Argue with pr. He was the one who made the ruling, not me. [/B]

If literally our only basis of comparison was their brief exchange, what else are you suppose to use?

Did you not understand the part where he said magic spells bypass Superman's invulnerability as if he was human but something Mjolnir would not? Superman would need an anti-magic shield against someone like Loki, but Mjolnir isn't hurting him mystically. That was his entire point. Do you not understand that? Mjolnir was still magic, did I say that it wasn't enchanted or was no longer considered Asgardian magic?

I'll ask him for clarification. And please post the link to the ruling?

What?

Also, Rage, I still haven't forgotten about that other post.

Abhil said that you ruled alternate Kryptonite doesn't hurt Superman. That's fine but he's trying to apply it to a vs. thread where Universes are automatically neutral no?

Alright, so what was your conclusion?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If literally our only basis of comparison was their brief exchange, what else are you suppose to use?

Did you not understand the part where he said magic spells bypass Superman's invulnerability as if he was human but something Mjolnir would not? Superman would need an anti-magic shield against someone like Loki, but Mjolnir isn't hurting him mystically. That was his entire point. Do you not understand that? Mjolnir was still magic, did I say that it wasn't enchanted or was no longer considered Asgardian magic?

I'll ask him for clarification. And please post the link to the ruling?

Did you took notice of the fact that mjolnir was charged up by magical lightning? Did he told you that magical lightning doesn't hurt him too?

I can't find it. The search function is being shitty again.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Abhil said that you ruled alternate Kryptonite doesn't hurt Superman. That's fine but he's trying to apply it to a vs. thread where Universes are automatically neutral no?

Alright, so what was your conclusion?

what kind of context are we talking?

i'm still reading it, but should be done tonight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Knocking someone down with a blow is never a matter of superiority.

Did you took notice of the fact that mjolnir was charged up by magical lightning? Did he told you that magical lightning doesn't hurt him too?

I can't find it. The search function is being shitty again.

As far as I'm concerned, Thor had the advantage in close combat. Superman was stronger, but I think Mjolnir was too much of an edge.

You think the lightning was bypassing his invulnerability? I find that hard to believe especially since it wasn't ever mentioned. I guess it's possible but according to your own words, magical vulnerability isn't played up against other peers and blunt force objects often.

Okay.

Originally posted by -Pr-
what kind of context are we talking?

i'm still reading it, but should be done tonight.

Surfer vs. Superman, if he creates Kryptonite, will it negatively affect Superman?

Oh; it depends on how he'd make it, but when in doubt, no.

I'm guessing the Power Cosmic or radiation. Abhil's argument is that since they come from different Universes, it won't affect him. My argument is that since vs. threads are in neutral Universes (Which is why Flash can use the Speed Force), it's the same principle.

But fair enough.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I'm concerned, Thor had the advantage in close combat. Superman was stronger, but I think Mjolnir was too much of an edge.

You think the lightning was bypassing his invulnerability? I find that hard to believe especially since it wasn't ever mentioned. I guess it's possible but according to your own words, magical vulnerability isn't played up against other peers and blunt force objects often.

Okay.

You are confusing "magic as a decisive factor" to "magic not bothering superman at all" and "blunt magical objects not being as bothersome as cutting objects" to "blunt magical objects covered in magical lightning not bothering superman at all".

Okay.