Sundipped Superman VS The Avengers

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I don't think Thor can replicate the feats involving brute strength.

I think if he cut loose, he could. Some may disagree I guess. Superman and Doomsday do have a real strength edge on Thor but I hardly think it's a night and day difference. They were punching their heads off at one point no?

Originally posted by -Pr-
if thor fought any way intelligently, like he's capable of doing, i'd expect him to beat at least a few probes. Same with Surfer, Hulk, Hal etc

I think once one of them is pushed to the brink and realizes they don't have to hold back? Something like Mjolnir will just tear through those f*ckers similar to Secondary Adamantium Ultron for example.

Still, I give an average Thor like 5-7/10 over a Probe.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, but feel free to try and prove that they're fodder, given their feats.

That doesn't make them fodder. Still inverse ninja law does affect everything in comics, even Cosmics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ease in which they went down at the end of the story as opposed to the beginning.

What scene are you talking about, exactly?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think once one of them is pushed to the brink and realizes they don't have to hold back? Something like Mjolnir will just tear through those f*ckers similar to Secondary Adamantium Ultron for example.

Still, I give an average Thor like 5-7/10 over a Probe.

eh, agreed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ease in which they went down at the end of the story as opposed to the beginning.

I'm going off memory but i'm hard pressed to remember a single instance to justify this point. Loeb made the initial point of showing Superman was the Alpha dog of the DCU but even after that the probes were extremely tough to bring down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That doesn't make them fodder. Still inverse ninja law does affect everything in comics, even Cosmics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What scene are you talking about, exactly?

eh, agreed.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm going off memory but i'm hard pressed to remember a single instance to justify this point. Loeb made the initial point of showing Superman was the Alpha dog of the DCU but even after that the probes were extremely tough to bring down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman and Doomsday raping them.

Eh, no. Loeb goes out of his way to state that the Probes, if they were on Earth, would be a serious issue for Superman, which is in line with how they'd been portrayed beforehand. He also states, flat out, that the Superman fighting them in space is operating well above normal levels.

Plus, he's accompanied by HP/DD. Inverse ninja law? Sure; it still doesn't lessen their status as definite heralds, or take away from their feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, no. Loeb goes out of his way to state that the Probes, if they were on Earth, would be a serious issue for Superman, which is in line with how they'd been portrayed beforehand. He also states, flat out, that the Superman fighting them in space is operating well above normal levels.

Plus, he's accompanied by HP/DD. Inverse ninja law? Sure; it still doesn't lessen their status as definite heralds, or take away from their feats.

Take Hulk or Thor when they quit holding back they are on another level as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not at the end. Doomsday was just as powerful as Superman in this arc even more so IMO.

I haven't read the books since I bought them fresh from the shop but I think Loeb stuck to his job of re-establishing Superman as the beast of the DCU.

That panel with WW, GL, and MM with his eye hanging out set the tone that no herald is on his level.

Doomsday had a good showing but Clark was clearly above him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
as I've said once heroes stop holding back they went down like tin foil. They are a threat to holding back Superman not just all out.

Take Hulk or Thor when they quit holding back they are on another level as well.

Superman and Doomsday were the only heroes shown as being able to even come close to seeming definitely superior. So one hero.

I never said they weren't.

Still waiting for the proof that them being beaten up by Doomsday's most powerful form, and arguably Superman's most powerful non-amped form, is somehow taking away from their feats and taking away their level of danger.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I haven't read the books since I bought them fresh from the shop but I think Loeb stuck to his job of re-establishing Superman as the beast of the DCU.

That panel with WW, GL, and MM with his eye hanging out set the tone that no herald is on his level.

Doomsday had a good showing but Clark was clearly above him.

He did. He flat out stated in interviews that to him, Superman is the most powerful hero in the DCU.

And his writing was pretty strongly indicating it too, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman and Doomsday were the only heroes shown as being able to even come close to seeming definitely superior. So one hero.

I never said they weren't.

Still waiting for the proof that them being beaten up by Doomsday's most powerful form, and arguably Superman's most powerful non-amped form, is somehow taking away from their feats and taking away their level of danger.

He did. He flat out stated in interviews that to him, Superman is the most powerful hero in the DCU.

And his writing was pretty strongly indicating it too, tbh.

Ok, but we don't just debate on Loebs opinion. We can use other characters from other stories.

Hulk all out with crap on probes. Same with Thor.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I haven't read the books since I bought them fresh from the shop but I think Loeb stuck to his job of re-establishing Superman as the beast of the DCU.

That panel with WW, GL, and MM with his eye hanging out set the tone that no herald is on his level.

Doomsday had a good showing but Clark was clearly above him.

I don't think so. Doomsday seemed above Superman in that arc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Other heroes took them out at the end too. Superman just like Hulk or Thor also operate on higher levels when they go all out.

Ok, but we don't just debate on Loebs opinion. We can use other characters from other stories.

Hulk all out with crap on probes. Same with Thor.

So you're just going to avoid the question then. Okay. Don't know why I'm surprised, as I know I shouldn't be.

Why are you even trying lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you're just going to avoid the question then. Okay. Don't know why I'm surprised, as I know I shouldn't be.

Quan you act as though there was a bunch of hero's who could stand up to them when that is far from the truth.... It was Superman and Doomsday who could come close to them or beat them, the others used items that helped them a lot! 😑

Quan we waiting, post scans of other heroes beating the Probes please...With no outside help...

Don't pack peddle now

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you're just going to avoid the question then. Okay. Don't know why I'm surprised, as I know I shouldn't be.

Originally posted by kevdude
Quan you act as though there was a bunch of hero's who could stand up to them when that is far from the truth.... It was Superman and Doomsday who could come close to them or beat them, the others used items that helped them a lot! 😑

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Quan we waiting, post scans of other heroes beating the Probes please...With no outside help...

Don't pack peddle now

Yeah Quan