Krayt vs. Revan

Started by steveholt95614 pages

Soa, world razer, sel makor, abeloth. To me thats it for the list you are arguing about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure if Tempest really wants me to do this but whatever I'm just gonna quote Legend and annotate it:

Source - Swtor.

Duuuuh.

Gonna need more specifics than that.

Originally posted by Q99
The way I view it, Sidious is the strongest of the 'conventional' dark siders (and Luke of the light siders).

But Vitaite, Nihilus, and Abeloth fall into the 'cheaters' category. They all have something outside themselves that made them strong.

Since you're online, Q, perhaps you could explain this one to me because I'm not seeing how they are "cheating."

Abeloth isn't even a Sith, anyway.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Gonna need more specifics than that.

Very Well.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are older then you think. Also, how exactly they shit on the others?

The Bedlam spirits do control time and matter- they tossed some people 8,000 years into the past. By accident, because the particularly spirit didn't have a good understanding of time, so when it turned them back from diamond to living people, it did so into the past because why not?

Originally posted by The Merchant
The first 3 probably beat ROTS Sidious.

Sidious (ROTS) isn't as strong as you assume him to be.

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Also, make no mistake:

Vitiate had galactic reach with his Force powers. He could perform feats from lightyear distances.

Legend, he said they could beat Sidious. He's agreeing with our position.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Very Well.

Not seeing evidence of planetary/galactic power.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Legend, he said they could beat Sidious. He's agreeing with our position.

He excluded Vitiate and select few others from his list.

Probably because they're very arguable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Probably because they're very arguable.

Vitiate and Nihilus would annihilate Sidious (ROTS). I do not much about others.

Only if they could get attacks off before he blitzes them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only if they could get attacks off before he blitzes them.

What makes you think that Sidious would be able to blitz Vitiate when even HoT couldn't?

Sidious blitzing 3 celebrated swordsmen.

Its pretty much the high-mark for Force Speed in the mythos.

Also I'm only saying he might be able to do it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious blitzing 3 celebrated swordsmen.

It is not enough.

I wonder how many "celebrated swordsmen" Vitiate put out of commission in his life time. Many didn't even dare to give it a try. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its pretty much the high-mark for Force Speed in the mythos.

It is one of the best examples but it doesn't proves that Sidious is the fastest individual in the mythos. Nope.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also I'm only saying he might be able to do it.

With element of surprise; perhaps. Under fair circumstances; no.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is not enough.

I wonder how many "celebrated swordsmen" Vitiate put out of commission in his life time. Many didn't even dare to give it a try.

I wonder how many he blitzed.

And if there were 3 of them at the same time.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not seeing evidence of planetary/galactic power.

1. The Ones (3 in total) - You already know about them.

2. Soa -

YouTube video

The Eternity Vault is for prisoners the Rakata couldn't kill. Soa enslaved a thousand world, bathed the sea of stars in blood, and army uniting to defeat him. Other Rakatan tech found in the game is said to have the energy throughput of a sun. That they needed an entire army to defeat him and couldn't kill him is enough.

3. World Razer. Almost nothing is known of the ancient being known as the World Razer. No one has seen or spoken to the creature for thousands of years; the Rakata's cryptic warnings suggest the World Razer is Belsavis's oldest prisoner, and that the prison was first constructed to hold the terrible entity whose hunger consumed a thousand worlds.

According to the Rakata inscriptions in the Tomb, it took the combined might of the Infinite Empire to subdue the World Razer, and an entire planet to contain its fury. If such a creature were ever released, its rage might very well shatter the galaxy.

YouTube video

YouTube video

4. Vitiate - You know him.

5. Sel-Makor - This guy has too much info to sort through to post. Multiple quests and storylines deal with and explain what his deal is. Suffice to say that he's the manifestation of an entire species' suffering and anger. Various parts of Voss mention him as being powerful to wipe out Voss if he gets out of the Nightmare Lands. If you side with him in the Jedi Knight storyline this is exactly what is going to happen in the near future.

6. Nihilus - No shit. If he counts.

7. Lotek'k, the Terror From Beyond - "Get Ready to Face a Powerful New Alien Enemy and Save the Galaxy!

It’s up to your team to close the Ancient Hypergate, opened by the deadly and malicious Dread Masters, and destroy a galactic goliath before it destroys the galaxy!

The Dread Masters have unleashed unspeakable horrors on the Gree-controlled world of Asation, and if the threats are not contained, they will spread to every corner of the galaxy!"

YouTube video

Of your list and your prescribed criteria, only the Ones, Lotek'k, and possibly Nihilus qualify.

The rest seem to be reduced to megolamaniacal boasting and rumors. But then I didn't watch all the videos. Anything more decisive?

The World Razer is definite.

As is Sel-Makor really. The only one which is speculation is Soa and he's almost certain imo.

Clarification: Anything other than your lousy word, fatass, that's more decisive?

Better yet, just give me the relevant times for the videos.