When have you... no heir or too many Sith,In-Fighting there will be....
No DLOTS,no leader....chaos it will be... In Krayt's case...,if I'm not mistaken Darth Nihl (Hand) is now the DLOTS and Darth Talon(Hand)
is his apprentice...From my pov,looks like Darth Nihl chose the rule of two over the rule of one.
Originally posted by juyomaster34
When have you... no heir or too many Sith,In-Fighting there will be....
No DLOTS,no leader....chaos it will be... In Krayt's case...,if I'm not mistaken Darth Nihl (Hand) is now the DLOTS and Darth Talon(Hand)is his apprentice...From my pov,looks like Darth Nihl chose the rule of two over the rule of one.
Except, y'know, the whole rest of the order he has around 🙂 Havok, Maladi, and others.
Rule of One was flawed,but a good idea as well except,
You always need someone else to keep it going,like the Rule of Two.
RoT took a thousand years to conquer the galaxy, RoO did it in a century ^^
Krayt,to me was an Exar Kun wanna be... but he's ok also.
I will note Krayt did better than Exar Kun.
He didn't try and just ape a prior Sith, but rather did his own thing, and it worked pretty well.
RoT took a thousand years to conquer the galaxy, RoO did it in a century ^^
This is misleading. All Krayt did was align his sith order with the existing Galactic Empire, then took it over by force with the help of Imperials and sith. After 7 years, he was no close to destroying the Jedi or Fel's Empire in Exile. Bane's order took 1,000 years, but it resulted in the ultimate destruction of the jedi order and the creation of an empire run by sith. Still more impressive in my opinion.
Originally posted by steveholt956
This is misleading. All Krayt did was align his sith order with the existing Galactic Empire, then took it over by force with the help of Imperials and sith. After 7 years, he was no close to destroying the Jedi or Fel's Empire in Exile.
The existing Empire was nothing when they got it. They not only took it over, but used the Vongiform plague of their own design to allow it to surpass the Galactic Alliance.
And had Antares Draco not slain Emperor Fel, then the galaxy would be theirs. Things were ten seconds away from Emperor Fel virus-bombing Coruscant and killing all non-Sith on it. That would've turned everyone against the Fel Loyalists, and in turn the remaining forces would've been unable to stop him.
Bane's order took 1,000 years, but it resulted in the ultimate destruction of the jedi order and the creation of an empire run by sith. Still more impressive in my opinion.
It was ultimately more successful, sure, but still, Krayt's attempt ranks well up there, in the top three.
Originally posted by Q99
The existing Empire was nothing when they got it. They not only took it over, but used the Vongiform plague of their own design to allow it to surpass the Galactic Alliance.
And had Antares Draco not slain Emperor Fel, then the galaxy would be theirs. Things were ten seconds away from Emperor Fel virus-bombing Coruscant and killing all non-Sith on it. That would've turned everyone against the Fel Loyalists, and in turn the remaining forces would've been unable to stop him.
It was ultimately more successful, sure, but still, Krayt's attempt ranks well up there, in the top three. [/B]
Originally posted by steveholt956
The Empire was very powerful by the Legacy era. The Vongform plague just gave them justification to start a war with the Republic once again. When Krayt took over, it was his thousand sith, followed by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the empire.Again, I'm not sure how because he waited 100 years, allowed the Empire to regroup, promised some of the Moffs power, took power, then betrayed them.
No, the Vongiform plague caused many worlds to defect to the Empire and/or declare neutrality in the conflict. This was noted as the biggest problem the Alliance had during the war- that regardless of the military portion of the conflict, they were losing systems constantly to simple defection.
Before the plague, the Fel Empire was much smaller than the Galactic Alliance. It is only the plague and the negative backlash it caused that made a war even possible and caused the Fel Empire to expand massively in size by absorbing all the worlds that defected and, once they won, all the neutrals.
Q99
RoT took a thousand years to conquer the galaxy, RoO did it in a century ^^
I think DS is right here. This is somewhat misleading. Vague references aside, we really aren't told to what extent Plagueis's predecessors contributed to the rise of the Empire.
Krayt had the benefit of a century of personal rule, hundreds of acolytes, and a war-torn galaxy with the Jedi in relative shambles. Even then, all he did was stage a coup and assume command of the Felpire.
Palpatine had to contend with the Jedi at the height of their abilities, an unchallenged Republic, and had only another Sith for assistance. (Not counting his vast information network, of course.) He was the architect of not just the rise of the Empire, but the very circumstances that allowed it to foment to begin with.
So while I agree that Krayt's accomplishments were impressive and that he's top 3, Sidious is inarguably number one and it's not particularly close.
By the way, you never did clarify as to your earlier quote.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I think DS is right here. This is somewhat misleading. Vague references aside, we really aren't told to what extent Plagueis's predecessors contributed to the rise of the Empire.
We do know they procured the wealth and did various stuff to destabilize things like help set up the laws that lead to the rise of the Trade Federation.
Krayt had the benefit of a century of personal rule, hundreds of acolytes, and a war-torn galaxy with the Jedi in relative shambles.
Not by this point- the Jedi were said by the writing to be in the thousands to tens of thousands range, and the Sith didn't start the war with a numbers advantage to speak of. They were rather powerful once more, Luke and his followers had done their work.
Even then, all he did was stage a coup and assume command of the Felpire.
... and set up the Vongiform plague to let the GA and Jedi self-incriminate, creating a giant PR coup that gave the Felpire a chance, and in turn put the Felpire, which was defended by it's own force users and thus not that easy to coup, into a position where it needed to rely on the Sith and give them the opportunity it needed.
It was a fairly involved operation with a lot of setup. The Felpire was not a target with civilians at the helm (like the Trade Federation), and it involved a lot of arranging to set the circumstances.
So while I agree that Krayt's accomplishments were impressive and that he's top 3, Sidious is inarguably number one and it's not particularly close.
Agreed.
Also, Palpatine lasted 20 years, Krayt 8, and everyone else just a few.
By the way, you never did clarify as to your earlier quote.
Which one?
What do you need clarified about it?
The way I see it, Vitaite got so strong because of a ritual (which is why, he has some super-spiffy powers, but if those can be put out of the way, his direct combat ability is pretty close to Revans and can be beaten by Tython), Nihilus of course is a wound, and Abeloth has her ties to the One and got power from the Font of Power.
Sidious, Krayt, Revan, Bane, and Vader all got their power though the same way- natural talent combined with intense study of the force and accumulated experience.
Not by this point- the Jedi were said by the writing to be in the thousands to tens of thousands range, and the Sith didn't start the war with a numbers advantage to speak of. They were rather powerful once more, Luke and his followers had done their work.
Your words implied that while you think Sidious is the strongest of conventional Sith, the others are exceptions.
Certainly Abeloth and the Son are, but then they're not Sith. Nihilus and Vitiate are fairly anomalous, to be sure, but they are Sith.
Actually, DS, the Remnant swelled considerably post-Yuuzhan Vong.