Krayt vs. Revan

Originally posted by steveholt956
Where did you get this from? I know there were a few thousand sith but Jedi? I'm not sure about that. And while planets did defect from the republic, the military might of the Empire was quite powerful even before the defections. This isn't the Imperial Remnant of post Vong War.

"We haven't come up with a definite number for the Sith but it's certainly over 1,000, probably over 10,000. […] It's not that they outnumber the Jedi. They're more cohesive and they have a better power base." -John Ostrander in an interview.

It is, after all, something like 80 years after even the fight with the Lost Tribe (who were chumps), and the Jedi had a lot of badass, very experienced masters. Plenty of time to train Jedi up.

The Empire was reasonably strong for it's size, but still way smaller. When a planet defects or goes neutral, they'll often take forces with them. In the flashbacks, they made it clear that was the real problem- The GA had to go on the offensive now and make a big victory, or they'd lose for non-military reasons alone.

The_Tempest
Your words implied that while you think Sidious is the strongest of conventional Sith, the others are exceptions.

Certainly Abeloth and the Son are, but then they're not Sith. Nihilus and Vitiate are fairly anomalous, to be sure, but they are Sith.

They're Sith, but they're cheaty Sith.

I tend to view them as a bit unbalanced as a result- the areas where their cheating enhanced them, they're really enhanced, the areas where it doesn't, they're merely ok, and have less reason to practice in those areas because the cheaty areas are so strong.

There's also lesser cheaty force users, like more minor ones who try and rely on artifacts or drawing on power from locations, or what have you.

I thought you said there were a few thousand Jedi.. Yea it's unclear how many sith there were but I don't think there was even a thousand. I mean all it took was for Krayt to die, and the entire sith order goes into hiding? I don't think that happens with that great of a number.

Originally posted by steveholt956
I thought you said there were a few thousand Jedi.. Yea it's unclear how many sith there were but I don't think there was even a thousand.

The writer said there was thousands, perhaps over 10,000. I just showed the quote.

John Ostrander is the one who decides that.

I mean all it took was for Krayt to die, and the entire sith order goes into hiding? I don't think that happens with that great of a number.

Krayt dies, their strongest political supporters (High Moff Morlish Veed, Moff Geist) died, two other of the top one-sith died recently (Wyyrlok and Stryfe), Coruscant falls to the Alliance and Fel Empire, the new Sith Troopers went nuts and disrupted their attack, and it was clear that a military victory was not going to happen there, so rather than fight a war from a disadvantage, Nihl judged the proper move was to switch strategies while they were still powerful.

And the entire Sith order was in hiding before their war, and half the Jedi went into hiding when they came forward (the New Jedi Order, knowing of Vader's purge, specifically designed a hiding spot for the order). Hiding orders is doable, it's still just a few thousand people.

Except, your quote is talking about the Sith numbers. And no, he doesn't say the Jedi outnumber the Sith.

Originally posted by ares834
Except, your quote is talking about the Sith numbers. And no, he doesn't say the Jedi outnumber the Sith.

He says it's "not that the sith outnumber the Jedi."

The implication being, they're at least close.

To peg the force users in the era, I'd say probably around 10k Jedi/Sith before the war, the war decreases the number of both by thousands, and additionally there's probably a hundred or two Imperial Knights.