Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
This is ridiculous. Sidious as of ROTS is the most powerful sithlord ever. Done deal.
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed. (SWTOR Encyclopedia, Page 89, 2012)
Both are recent sources.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Those sources are pretty obviously set during the Sith Emperor's reign.You know, before Sidious was born.
Recently a book has been released (representing real world perspective) in which both Sith Emperors have been mentioned; none was declared most powerful.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You live in the past perhaps.The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed. (SWTORE, Page 89)
Both are recent sources.
Okay. There are FAR more sources that state Sidious is the most powerful. And he has the most feats. I cant believe someone would honestly say anyother Sith comes close to him. Also its only stated viatate is the most powerful UP TO HIS TIME. Sidious is stated to be the most powerful of ALL TIME. Theres a difference between all time and up to a certain POINT in time.
"Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda were the only Jedi left in a position to do something about the disaster. Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-From The New Essential Chronology
"Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings."
-From Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
"When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."
-From the Darkside Source Book
Those are just some of the MANY sources that show Sidious is the most powerful Sithlord. He is the only Sith to acomplish the ultimate goal of conquering the Republic and the ultimate sith. This is obvious. From what I've seen Intrepid and The Tempest have easily been dominating this debate and have been offering facts and valid points well you and steveholt have just been wanking Revan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You live in the past perhaps.The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed. (SWTOR Encyclopedia, Page 89, 2012)
Both are [B]recent
sources. [/B]
He was the strongest at that time, Sidious is the strongest EVER. Vitiate is a pathetic attempt at making Sidious appear weak like all the other EU Sith.
But hey its not an offence to like a crap Sith so please...carry on.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Okay. There are FAR more sources that state Sidious is the most powerful. And he has the most feats. I cant believe someone would honestly say anyother Sith comes close to him."Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda were the only Jedi left in a position to do something about the disaster. Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-From The New Essential Chronology
"Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings."
-From Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
"When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."
-From the Darkside Source Book
Those are just some of the MANY sources that show Sidious is the most powerful Sithlord. He is the only Sith to acomplish the ultimate goal of conquering the Republic and the ultimate sith. This is obvious. From what I've seen Intrepid and The Tempest have easily been dominating this debate and have been offering facts and valid points well you and steveholt have just been wanking Revan.
Sith Emperor of TOR era is a recent creation with few sources dedicated to him and he is already receiving lot of hype. Sidious is no longer receiving hype to same degree as was the case in older (outdated) sources.
As per latest holistic picture of the Star Wars, Sidious is not the only TOP TIER dark sider. By ROTS, he is no longer a big thing.
Also, Sith Emperor of TOR era is extremely powerful; he have (DE) Sidious and Abeloth like characteristics.
Originally posted by NethanM
He was the strongest at that time, Sidious is the strongest EVER. Vitiate is a pathetic attempt at making Sidious appear weak like all the other EU Sith.But hey its not an offence to like a crap Sith so please...carry on.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
xD
Yeah, that comment on my debating skills was nothing but 'fangirl-rage'.
He once complimented my debating skills in the past (which coming from him almost made me puke), but suddenly I'm the worst debater just because he can't prove any possible way Revan can overcome Sidious in combat. If you notice, he didn't even properly address my question on how Revan will respond if Sidious came at him the way he came at Mace and the three other council members. Basically his answer to that was: 'well Revan is powerful and he can use the force to guide his hands...the council members were weak. Revan is the heart of the force, so he's comparable to ROTS Sidious'.
Then we have the other idiot responding to my question with: "well apparently Revan has fold space technique, so he will travel from point A to B". So I brought up Tiin's apparent light speed reaction. Yeah it might be a bit ridiculous and silly, but at least it has direct proof:
"Each Jedi connects to the Force in his or her own way, and Tiin's Force abilities allowed him to focus his thoughts to control his starfighter even while traveling through hyperspace. While flying at lightspeed, Tiin had no need of a nav computer. He increased the Sharp Spiral's performance by taking hyperspace shortcuts and flying dangerously close to mass shadows." (The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels)
Hell, here is a respect thread filled with Tiin's accolades and feats:http://www.comicvine.com/profile/silver2467/blog/saesee-tiin-respect-thread/78153/
Tiin is by no means lacking in command of the force, and he is noted for his saber ability.
I have no problem accepting that Revan may be more powerful than any of the three council members who were easily slaughtered by Sidious. But I'm not going to assume that Revan stands any type of chance against Palpatine just because he is powerful and someone said looking at him is like starring into the heart of the force. As I said, combat-wise, not too many force users can tangle with ROTS Sidious. His strength in TK was sufficient to easily overpower two extremely powerful TK users simultaneously, and then there is his feat of easily slaughtering Tiin, Kolar, and Fisto, each of whom are not lacking in accolades and feats; and Sidious is also now confirmed to having mastery over all lightsaber forms (The_Tempest provided the source, I believe it was the CW dictionary or something). How is Revan suppose to defend against any onslaught Sidious chooses to throw at him? The only thing Revan may be able to handle for some time, is Sidious lightning, and that's if Sidious chooses to attack him with that power.
LeGenD and stevenholt are just sprung fangirls, and complete idiots. stevenholt, in particular, gets extremely wet just by looking at resurrected sexy Krayt, and lashes out because ugly ass Dooku is more than capable of contending with his crush in combat, and may even take a majority of wins.
BTW, @ stevenholt, you're going to make a great lawyer someday. Or aren't you already one? You're wife must be so proud. 😆
LeGenD and stevenholt are just sprung fangirls, and complete idiots. stevenholt, in particular, gets extremely wet just by looking at resurrected sexy Krayt, and lashes out because ugly ass Dooku is more than capable of contending with his crush in combat, and may even take a majority of wins.BTW, @ stevenholt, you're going to make a great lawyer someday. Or aren't you already one? You're wife must be so proud. laughing
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If you notice, he didn't even properly address my question on how Revan will respond if Sidious came at him the way he came at Mace and the three other council members.
One thing comes to mind, since the Sith Emperor, Star Forge empowered Malak, and other siths in which Revan fought were not able to take Revan out with such a attack, I am not going to assume that just because his name is Sidious he would be able to do so and take out Revan.
Unless we are assuming that Revan's mastery of the force will allow him to move at a lesser speed than that of Anakan, Obiwan, Dooku, or Mace.