Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, pretty dumb to assume Surfer can atomize Majestic just because he did it so random goon.Issue number? I want to double check this. You just posted a panel of Majestic being partially made of stone, I don't actually see any sort of resisting going on.
What do you think is happening here?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, pretty dumb to assume Surfer can atomize Majestic just because he did it so random goon.
Atomizing someone is a lot more harsh than transmuting them to another substance and Surfer did it instantly not gradually.
Originally posted by zopzop
Why is it dumb? What special defense does Majestic have vs being atomized? Abhi posted that transmutation scan but it clearly showed he WAS being affected by matter manip, even if he was overcoming it.Atomizing someone is a lot more harsh than transmuting them to another substance and Surfer did it instantly not gradually.
How about all of his durability feats? What kind of dumb ass question is that?
Atomizing some random f*ck isn't evidence that he could even do it against Thing, much less Majestic.
If you think Surfer can transmute Majestic, I'd really love to see a scan of him doing so to someone that durable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How about all of his durability feats? What kind of dumb ass question is that?Atomizing some random f*ck isn't evidence that he could even do it against Thing, much less Majestic.
If you think Surfer can transmute Majestic, I'd really love to see a scan of him doing so to someone that durable.
Secondly, Surfer's matter manip functions on a planetary scale and it's instantaneous. Why wouldn't it affect the likes of Thing or Majestic? "Durability feats" don't mean jack when someone is playing games with your atomic structure.
Originally posted by zopzopthat isn't necessarily true. daken's healing factor, for example, was able to briefly "fight against" the matter manipulation of molecule man(which, as i'm sure you'd agree, is considerably above surfer's.) owen went on to comment that wolverine was always able to "fight past" his matter manipulation for the very same reason.
"Durability feats" don't mean jack when someone is playing games with your atomic structure.
anyway, not only is majestic inherently nigh-invulnerable, but he's also got an insane healing factor working for him as well. so yeah, i agree that surfer transmuting some random fodder character doesn't translate into him being able to transmute someone like majestic by default. suggesting otherwise literally defines a no-limits fallacy.
Originally posted by zopzop
First of all, calm the phuck down.Secondly, Surfer's matter manip functions on a planetary scale and it's instantaneous. Why wouldn't it affect the likes of Thing or Majestic? "Durability feats" don't mean jack when someone is playing games with your atomic structure.
I'm not upset. 😬
Okay? I disagree.
Originally posted by Galan007
that isn't necessarily true. daken's healing factor, for example, was able to briefly "fight against" the matter manipulation of molecule man(which, as i'm sure you'd agree, is considerably above surfer's.) owen went on to comment that wolverine was always able to "fight past" his matter manipulation for the very same reason.anyway, not only is majestic inherently nigh-invulnerable, but he's also got an insane healing factor working for him as well. so yeah, i agree that surfer transmuting some random fodder character doesn't translate into him being able to transmute someone like majestic by default. suggesting otherwise literally defines a no-limits fallacy.
The Surfer's matter manip is PLANETARY in scale and instantaneous. Even if you think he'd recover from being turned to stone or whatever, it would take time and the Surfer can reduce him to atomic ash (like he did to the Thanos construct in the prelude to the Infinity Gauntlet saga).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not upset. 😬Okay? I disagree.
Originally posted by zopzopi just don't agree with you applying a no limits fallacy to surfer's in-battle offensive transmutation abilities.
Then how do you explain him being gradually turned to stone and fighting it's affect (Majestic that is).The Surfer's matter manip is PLANETARY in scale and instantaneous. Even if you think he'd recover from being turned to stone or whatever, it would take time and the Surfer can reduce him to atomic ash (like he did to the Thanos construct in the prelude to the Infinity Gauntlet saga).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, pretty dumb to assume Surfer can atomize Majestic just because he did it so random goon.Issue number? I want to double check this. You just posted a panel of Majestic being partially made of stone, I don't actually see any sort of resisting going on.
Surfer can't simply transmute anybody. But high durability is not at all a default defense against transmutation. That is in itself rather baseless. Sure many characters with high durability levels or healing factors have shown resistance to transmutation...as they have to other attacks such as energy drainage, soul manip etc. but those forms of resistance either merely coincide with their high durability level or stem from a unique aspect of their durability. We can't make across the board generalizations of resistance based on this nor can we project such resistance onto another character who lacks such resistance feats based merely off their durability/Hf
Originally posted by Galan007
i just don't agree with you applying a no limits fallacy to surfer's in-battle offensive transmutation abilities.
Those Tiger men and alike defeated Strange, Namor and Fist (pis though). One walked through Red She Hulk stabbing him clean through.
The other one who killed them was a pissed off Iron Fist. Which is to be expected... especially when he punched a hole in Nuul in the next issue the same way he did the Tiger man.
They were at least 50-70 tonners. Though that doesn't mean much against Majestic. It was impressive, though it doesn't mean that he'd do it against Majestic.
Off the top of my head I remember Surfer using transmutation offensively against Quasimodo.
Here he finds Quasimodo who appears to be a computer program. Surfer easily transmutes Quasimodo to give him a human body.
Quasimodo's new body was strong enough to tank a blast from Surfer and powerful enough to stagger Surfer with his attacks.
When Surfer had enough, he transmuted Quasimodo's body into stone.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Off the top of my head I remember Surfer using transmutation offensively against Quasimodo.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Off the top of my head I remember Surfer using transmutation offensively against Quasimodo.Here he finds Quasimodo who appears to be a computer program. Surfer easily transmutes Quasimodo to give him a human body.
Quasimodo's new body was strong enough to tank a blast from Surfer and powerful enough to stagger Surfer with his attacks.
When Surfer had enough, he transmuted Quasimodo's body into stone.