Originally posted by emporerpants
Geez roughrider, you usually don't come off as super marvel biased, but this is silly. Is DC making some questionable decisions? Certainly. However, at the same time, they are not nearly as bad as you are making out and they can actually work if given the chance. However, there seems to be a huge amount of hate directed towards DC right now, and it seems most marvel fans are jumping on that bandwagon.
Roughrider is butthurt. Just read his past posts on the future of WB/DC shared universe. It's finally happening and he'll find anything to whine about. Just like Brucy Bruce.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Come on dude, that's really not helping. Sure, things get a bit heated, but I really doubt most people would rather WB make a shitty series of DC movies than a good one.
That's how he comes off, though. Just go through the thread I created. "DC Shared Universe starts with MOS." He highly doubted a JL/shared universe movie would happen and even said us fans were crazy of thinking this. And what's going to happen? A shared universe with a JL movie directed by Snyder.
He makes good points, but easily looks biased. And people call me over positive. People even called me over positive when MOS came out and that was a HIT. Yet, they ignore things like Green Lantern, which I wasn't a fan of.
This is what I'm tired of...
Geeks Are Entering The Age of Instant Backlash And It's Getting Really Tiresome
By Peter Hall May 21, 2014Today Warner Bros. announced the sequel to Man of Steel would be called Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and the Internet immediately lost its mind and pounced on the title like a bunch of ghouls feasting on a newborn. And as I watched the vitriol flow across social media, all I could do is sit back and wonder why everyone is so angry all of the time these days.
Maybe it's because I'm not a comics guy. I didn't grow up reading them, and as an adult I've only read a few of the more acclaimed comic runs. But can someone please explain to me what is so deeply offensive and non-comic booky about the subtitle Dawn of Justice? How is it a betrayal of characters that have had celebrated comic subtitles like Superman: Peace On Earth, Batman: Blind Justice, or Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth?
I don't understand what separates Dawn of Justice from those. You tell me Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are coming together and I can easily picture a comic book cover with Superman's massive chest pushed outward, Batman crouched closer to the shadows, both their capes billowing in the wind, with Wonder Woman standing between them with her lasso glinting in the perfect sunrise at their backs; the words Dawn of Justice in big, blocky letters over their heads. The title effortlessly evokes stereotypical comic imagery, so what's so awful about it?
But I come here not to defend Batman v Superman's title (I have no grand reaction one way or the other to it), but to wonder when movie fandom became just so damned cynical. It seems like every new announcement related to a major Hollywood movie these days is met by fans throwing acid in the faces of their favorite franchises. No one waits for context any more, they just light their pitchforks and go ape s**t on social media for a few hours, only to change their tune when actual context is provided.
Legions of fans scoffed at the idea of Ben Affleck as Batman, spawning countless jokes about Batfleck and Matt Damon as Aquaman, but as soon as Zack Snyder released an actual image of Affleck as Batman, it was met with universal acclaim. And not two weeks go by before everyone is once again spewing snark at the same creative forces that had just pleased them the week before. People tore into the first looks at Quicksilver in X-Men: Days of Future Past and used his goofy image as immutable proof that the whole movie was doomed, and now the critics who have actually seen the movie (myself included) think his big scene is actually one of the best in the entire movie. Context, how does it work?
And it's not just comic book movies, either. People have been ragging on Star Wars Episode VII since the second J.J. Abrams was announced and yet today, Abrams releases the very first image of something from the actual set and all those angry fans quite down for a second and go, "Oh, there are actual, practical aliens in this? I like those!" And once again context calms everyone...until the next press release riles them up, at least.
It's just getting so tiring that fandom's default position these days is utter disdain for the people who are making the movies they can't stop talking about for months, even years, at a time. What happened to being optimistic about going to the movies? I thought the whole reason we all cared about this trivial stuff in the first place is because it made us happy. If all it does is make you angry and snarky and jaded, over and over and over, why not go find a new hobby? I just wish that the next time a piece of news hits that has no context to it whatsoever, please wait a minute or two to collect your thoughts before taking to your keyboard to dish out an instant reaction.
I'm not saying you have to blindly love everything that comes out of a Hollywood movie. I certainly don't. But do give things a moment's consideration before going nuclear with the sarcasm and the shaming. At the very least, wait for a trailer or picture, or anything that may hint how one puzzle piece fits into the grand picture before going crazy.
I'm not sure how or why fandom got so perverted that the nerds are now the ones doing the bullying, but it's a real bummer.
Rumor has it, this might be the WW costume. Hope it's not. Not a bad costume, but I don't want a complete copy from the comic book.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/thereeljames/news/?a=100872
Could Aussie Actor Callan Mulvey Be The Next Joker?
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Wow the jacket was just an monumentally shit idea
yes it was..
not really a surprise that they might copy the comic book costume if indeed true..
Originally posted by Golgo13
Could Aussie Actor Callan Mulvey Be The Next Joker?
very old news, he could very well be Metallo instead..
Originally posted by Golgo13
Rumor has it, this might be the WW costume. Hope it's not. Not a bad costume, but I don't want a complete copy from the comic book.http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/thereeljames/news/?a=100872
Since they're already copying other aspects of Thor and Marvel, they might as we'll go with her leather pants version like Marvel did Thor to give a modern look.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
got this from the facebook group i am in...
Did she get shoulder implants? Looks awkward.
Originally posted by Golgo13
That's how he comes off, though. Just go through the thread I created. "DC Shared Universe starts with MOS." He highly doubted a JL/shared universe movie would happen and even said us fans were crazy of thinking this. And what's going to happen? A shared universe with a JL movie directed by Snyder.He makes good points, but easily looks biased. And people call me over positive. People even called me over positive when MOS came out and that was a HIT. Yet, they ignore things like Green Lantern, which I wasn't a fan of.
To be fair though WB has given us reasons time and time again to be pessimistic about the future of their DC properties.
They've given us something Optimistic with MOS. But their history is still against them at this point.
I honestly hate the jacket and pants costume for Diana. Sure, arguments of sexism will pop up, but even so, I still think it's a bad look for her.
I wouldn't mind something closer to the comics; being as close to the comics as possible can almost never be a bad thing, imo.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
To be fair though WB has given us reasons time and time again to be pessimistic about the future of their DC properties.They've given us something Optimistic with MOS. But their history is still against them at this point.
MOS, for me, was an indication that things had changed. I hope they don't **** this up, because i'm just hanging on with Marvel at this point.
Originally posted by Golgo13
That's how he comes off, though. Just go through the thread I created. "DC Shared Universe starts with MOS." He highly doubted a JL/shared universe movie would happen and even said us fans were crazy of thinking this. And what's going to happen? A shared universe with a JL movie directed by Snyder.He makes good points, but easily looks biased. And people call me over positive. People even called me over positive when MOS came out and that was a HIT. Yet, they ignore things like Green Lantern, which I wasn't a fan of.
Hey, you're two sides of the same coin. It happens.
Originally posted by Golgo13
This is what I'm tired of... [/B]
Eh, as much as that guy might have a point, comics has one of the most loyal, and rabid, fanbases of anything in the world. Comic fans are always going to have high expectations, because for a lot of them, they've been reading comics for years, and become invested in that time.
Take me for example: On KMC i'm basically a broken record by this point, talking about how much I ****ing hate X1 and X2. I'm definitely in the minority, but I don't care, because I've been reading X-Men since I was eight years old. X-Men is my favourite fictional property in the world, and when I watched those two movies (though moreso X2), I was left wondering WTF Singer had done to my favourite comic-book team, AND my favourite character.
In the run up to DOFP, I expected QS to be shit, because lets be fair, that magazine cover looked shit. I expected a movie like X2, and was worried as hell that i'd never see a good X-Men movie now that Vaughn had left. Thankfully though, Vaughn's influence remained, and DOFP was great.
I don't apologise for wanting comic book movies to be the best they can be. I want the best Superman, the best Batman, the best X-Men we can get. I'm sure a part of the "hate" for BvS is down to that same sentiment. Or at least, that's what I'd hope.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
got this from the facebook group i am in...
They should go with this look. Or I've always thought THIS look would look awesome adapted for live action...
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Wonder-Woman-Redesign-70129952
Originally posted by -Pr-
Take me for example: On KMC i'm basically a broken record by this point, talking about how much I ****ing hate X1 and X2. I'm definitely in the minority, but I don't care, because I've been reading X-Men since I was eight years old. X-Men is my favourite fictional property in the world, and when I watched those two movies (though moreso X2), I was left wondering WTF Singer had done to my favourite comic-book team, AND my favourite character.
Feel your pain there.
