WB to announce Superman/Batman & JLA movies

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sorry, hope I didn't spoil any of DOFP for you.

lol, nothing to spoil, i saw the film opening night

Originally posted by -Pr- All I was saying is that, you don't have to explain every single thing.

that's fine, people will always have differences in opinions

Originally posted by -Pr- Did you read the Justice League arc where Aquaman was introduced? I thought that did a fine job of showing him without having to explain every little thing. Solo movies is where you learn more, and it's not like Atlantis is that central to his origin. Aquaman did grow up on land after all, as per the reboot.

i collect justice league regularly so yeah i've read the arc... they still have to tell us something though to get us excited for solo films

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lol, nothing to spoil, i saw the film opening night

that's fine, people will always have differences in opinions

i collect justice league regularly so yeah i've read the arc... they still have to tell us something though to get us excited for solo films

Oh, sorry, I had misread.

Of course. Have him say he's King of Atlantis. Hint at him having a wife. I just, as much as I hate to admit it, don't think Aquaman's solo movie would work without him first appearing in a team movie. Have him in the same room with Superman and Batman and the rest, showing that he's as much a hero as they are.

After all, if Batman thinks he's all right, the audience is only going to get more interested.

Aquaman's origin works even without Atlantis, and besides, I would rather see Atlantis in a second or third movie down the road.

Agreed with PR. I think a JL movie based around Atlantis is what I'd do, and use it to hint towards the coming of Darkseid.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, sorry, I had misread.

Of course. Have him say he's King of Atlantis. Hint at him having a wife. I just, as much as I hate to admit it, don't think Aquaman's solo movie would work without him first appearing in a team movie. Have him in the same room with Superman and Batman and the rest, showing that he's as much a hero as they are.

After all, if Batman thinks he's all right, the audience is only going to get more interested.

Aquaman's origin works even without Atlantis, and besides, I would rather see Atlantis in a second or third movie down the road.

its all good, a lot of this stuff i am having a boatload of fun....

well since im batman, he has to meet my approval 😄

any idea on who you think might play Aquaman?

😂

A few, but not really concerned as long as the guy is good. Justin Hartley, Alexander Skarsgard, Jensen Ackles... There are options.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

A few, but not really concerned as long as the guy is good. Justin Hartley, Alexander Skarsgard, Jensen Ackles... There are options.

they could work, especially with a good script

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ill take kevins word, though. He hasnt disappointed yet.

He hasn't done anything yet, either. Nothing that isn't predictable and safe. 😉

Originally posted by -Pr-

And this is Aquaman; the fish guy. Anyone with a passing knowledge of comics knows about him.

This whole "WB only cares about Superman/Batman" thing is bullshit. Seriously.

Firstly, the last thing the public at large - this being the majority of people who don't actively read comics - can remember about Aquaman is him being mocked as a lame character on Seinfeld. Nothing else has happened in the world outside comic books to have changed that perception. Remember, his live action pilot 'Mercy Reef' didn't get picked up. But hey, if DC/Warners wants to drop him into a Justice League movie with no backstory or look at Atlantean society (And I happened to think his origin is a little more important to explore than say, Black Widow's or Hawkeye's, which wasn't important to Avengers) it's their money/funeral.

Secondly, saying DC/Warners does care about characters outside of Batman & Superman flies in the face of the DC universe movies they have made; AKA it flies in the face of reality.

Maybe it would have changed if Green Lantern had been a big success, or if they managed to make Wonder Woman when they had Joss Whedon - but failures on both fronts have made them timid when they need to take bolder risks.

Now, over to Golgo for the DC fanboy cheerleading... 😛

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Did the X-Men have solo films before the team films came out?

No, but the X-Men are all mutants and it is an ensemble franchise. The Justice League is a crossover/ensemble franchise with different origins for each character who originally had their own franchise.

Originally posted by roughrider
He hasn't done anything yet, either. Nothing that isn't predictable and safe. 😉

Of course he hasnt. He just took over not to long ago. But given the short time he has expanded on the dc properties that arent batman or superman in the tv medium.

Originally posted by roughrider
Firstly, the last thing the public at large - this being the majority of people who don't actively read comics - can remember about Aquaman is him being mocked as a lame character on Seinfeld. Nothing else has happened in the world outside comic books to have changed that perception. Remember, his live action pilot 'Mercy Reef' didn't get picked up. But hey, if DC/Warners wants to drop him into a Justice League movie with no backstory or look at Atlantean society (And I happened to think his origin is a little more important to explore than say, Black Widow's or Hawkeye's, which wasn't important to Avengers) it's their money/funeral.

Secondly, saying DC/Warners does care about characters outside of Batman & Superman flies in the face of the DC universe movies they have made; AKA it flies in the face of reality.

Maybe it would have changed if Green Lantern had been a big success, or if they managed to make Wonder Woman when they had Joss Whedon - but failures on both fronts have made them timid when they need to take bolder risks.

Now, over to Golgo for the DC fa
nboy cheerleading... 😛

Says the guy who doubted WB would start a shared universe and calling fans crazy for beliving it could happen. 😛

Originally posted by Femi32
No, but the X-Men are all mutants and it is an ensemble franchise. The Justice League is a crossover/ensemble franchise with different origins for each character who originally had their own franchise.

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Exactly. People need to stop confusing setting up an X-Men movie to an Avengers or Justice League one.

X-men only needs to explain once the source of everyone's powers (which it does in the first 5 minutes of the first movie by explaining people are just born mutants). Justice League will need to explain the Origin of each and every character who doesn't have a solo movie.

They need a few films to set up the whole JL roster. It can't be done in 1 film. That would just be a Spider-Man 3 type disaster waiting to happen.

And you've made an important distinction there between an ensemble franchise and an ensemble/crossover franchise.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You really think that in a world full of superheroes, everyone needs a full explanation of where their powers came from?

Yeah, because they have to make it believable that it's "a world of superheroes." Like how did that happen? Comic books get away with that. And even animations do to an extent. But Live Action movies won't Imho.

Venom didn't get a proper explanation in SM3, and it was really stupid just throwing him in there like that. Just saying "It's a world full of supervillains" didn't cut it.

If they do it as a group of movies like Goglo is suggesting, and introduce 1 or 2 new members per film, then yeah that could work. Just don't introduce 3-4 new superheroes in the JL without Origin stories for their powers.

Originally posted by roughrider
Firstly, the last thing the public at large - this being the majority of people who don't actively read comics - can remember about Aquaman is him being mocked as a lame character on Seinfeld. Nothing else has happened in the world outside comic books to have changed that perception. Remember, his live action pilot 'Mercy Reef' didn't get picked up. But hey, if DC/Warners wants to drop him into a Justice League movie with no backstory or look at Atlantean society (And I happened to think his origin is a little more important to explore than say, Black Widow's or Hawkeye's, which wasn't important to Avengers) it's their money/funeral.

Secondly, saying DC/Warners does care about characters outside of Batman & Superman flies in the face of the DC universe movies they have made; AKA it flies in the face of reality.

Maybe it would have changed if Green Lantern had been a big success, or if they managed to make Wonder Woman when they had Joss Whedon - but failures on both fronts have made them timid when they need to take bolder risks.

Now, over to Golgo for the DC fanboy cheerleading... 😛

His perception is exactly why I said put him in a team movie first. You don't need to show the history of Atlantis, especially when it isn't even that large a part of his origin, in a team movie to get him over, imo.

So Marvel only cared about Hulk and Iron Man when they started their shared universe? Really?

shrug

Originally posted by Femi32
No, but the X-Men are all mutants and it is an ensemble franchise. The Justice League is a crossover/ensemble franchise with different origins for each character who originally had their own franchise.

Pretty much. X-Men is a family; JLA are individuals who come together in times of need.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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Exactly. People need to stop confusing setting up an X-Men movie to an Avengers or Justice League one.

X-men only needs to explain once the source of everyone's powers (which it does in the first 5 minutes of the first movie by explaining people are just born mutants). Justice League will need to explain the Origin of each and every character who doesn't have a solo movie.

They need a few films to set up the whole JL roster. It can't be done in 1 film. That would just be a Spider-Man 3 type disaster waiting to happen.

And you've made an important distinction there between an ensemble franchise and an ensemble/crossover franchise.

Yeah, because they have to make it believable that it's "a world of superheroes." Like how did that happen? Comic books get away with that. And even animations do to an extent. But Live Action movies won't Imho.

Venom didn't get a proper explanation in SM3, and it was really stupid just throwing him in there like that. Just saying "It's a world full of supervillains" didn't cut it.

If they do it as a group of movies like Goglo is suggesting, and introduce 1 or 2 new members per film, then yeah that could work. Just don't introduce 3-4 new superheroes in the JL without Origin stories for their powers.

In a solo movie, that works fine. In a team movie, it's really not as important, imo. Like I said, people have loved characters with far less explanation.

I'm not saying they shouldn't explain his origin at all. Of course they should. But that's what solo movies are for.

If they do smaller groups per movie, then that would be a happy medium, imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
His perception is exactly why I said put him in a team movie first. You don't need to show the history of Atlantis, especially when it isn't even that large a part of his origin, in a team movie to get him over, imo.

So Marvel only cared about Hulk and Iron Man when they started their shared universe? Really?

Your perception of Aquaman is not the public's perception at large. I know you're a fan of his, but take the blinders off. I'm not saying he needs his own movie, I'm saying any movie involving him needs to spend time exploring his story and what Atlantis is in the DC universe. You cannot have him show up and just toss off a one liner about himself being King Of the Seas with no follow up.

Marvel only cared about Iron Man and Hulk when they started their shared universe?...Ah, No. Where are you getting that from? They had a few other projects gestating when they started their own studio. The week after Iron Man's monster opening the beginning of May 2008, Marvel Studios put out a press release announcing Iron Man 2 would come out the first weekend of May 2010, as well as the release of Thor in 2010 (this was when Matthew Vaughn was still attached. When Vaughn departed months later, they hired Kenneth Branagh by that winter and delayed the release until 2011.) They also announced Captain America to come out by 2011.

That's the problem with having debates here. People forget to look at history, and instead see what they want to see.

Originally posted by roughrider
Your perception of Aquaman is not the public's perception at large. I know you're a fan of his, but take the blinders off. I'm not saying he needs his own movie, I'm saying any movie involving him needs to spend time exploring his story and what Atlantis is in the DC universe. You cannot have him show up and just toss off a one liner about himself being King Of the Seas with no follow up.

Why not?

Originally posted by roughrider
Your perception of Aquaman is not the public's perception at large. I know you're a fan of his, but take the blinders off. I'm not saying he needs his own movie, I'm saying any movie involving him needs to spend time exploring his story and what Atlantis is in the DC universe. You cannot have him show up and just toss off a one liner about himself being King Of the Seas with no follow up.

Marvel only cared about Iron Man and Hulk when they started their shared universe?...Ah, No. Where are you getting that from? They had a few other projects gestating when they started their own studio. The week after Iron Man's monster opening the beginning of May 2008, Marvel Studios put out a press release announcing Iron Man 2 would come out the first weekend of May 2010, as well as the release of Thor in 2010 (this was when Matthew Vaughn was still attached. When Vaughn departed months later, they hired Kenneth Branagh by that winter and delayed the release until 2011.) They also announced Captain America to come out by 2011.

That's the problem with having debates here. People forget to look at history, and instead see what they want to see.

Huh? Did you even read what I said about his perception? I was talking about how people see him, not how I see him.

Atlantis isn't even integral to Aquaman's origin; even in a solo movie, it doesn't necessarily need to even appear. Comparing him to Thor is a false comparison, because there are plenty of differences. You could base an entire Aquaman movie without Atlantis bar mentioning where his mother came from, and it would be like a large portion of the comics.

Or do you want to jip the **** out of Atlantis by over-simplifying the role it DOES have in Aquaman's comic? Should we try to fit in the politics, the racism that Aquaman suffers, and the multitutde of other things connected to Atlantis?

Sounds like you don't read Aquaman, tbh.

I was being sarcastic. Marvel didn't just care about Iron Man and Hulk, but they had to start somewhere. Just like DC is doing.

Considering you didn't read my post fully, I'm wondering if you're the one refusing to look at things.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Huh? Did you even read what I said about his perception? I was talking about how people see him, not how I see him.

Atlantis isn't even integral to Aquaman's origin; even in a solo movie, it doesn't necessarily need to even appear. Comparing him to Thor is a false comparison, because there are plenty of differences. You could base an entire Aquaman movie without Atlantis bar mentioning where his mother came from, and it would be like a large portion of the comics.

Or do you want to jip the **** out of Atlantis by over-simplifying the role it DOES have in Aquaman's comic? Should we try to fit in the politics, the racism that Aquaman suffers, and the multitutde of other things connected to Atlantis?

Sounds like you don't read Aquaman, tbh.

I was being sarcastic. Marvel didn't just care about Iron Man and Hulk, but they had to start somewhere. Just like DC is doing.

Considering you didn't read my post fully, I'm wondering if you're the one refusing to look at things.

Lord...this is rivaling the worst of the whiny Star Wars threads, and the movie doesn't come out for another TWO years. Think I'm going to save my sanity now and check out. Lots of positive things to talk about with the Marvel movie threads. The DC fans here can enjoy every questionable decision DC/Warners make without further comment from me.

bye

Originally posted by roughrider

Lord...this is rivaling the worst of the whiny Star Wars threads, and the movie doesn't come out for another TWO years. Think I'm going to save my sanity now and check out. Lots of positive things to talk about with the Marvel movie threads. The DC fans here can enjoy every questionable decision DC/Warners make without further comment from me.

bye

Maybe if you actually read the posts properly instead of picking parts to intentionally misread, it might be easier.

Sure, the movie might suck, but even if it doesn't, i'm sure you'll find something not to like.

Oh, and reading some Aquaman might help too.

Geez roughrider, you usually don't come off as super marvel biased, but this is silly. Is DC making some questionable decisions? Certainly. However, at the same time, they are not nearly as bad as you are making out and they can actually work if given the chance. However, there seems to be a huge amount of hate directed towards DC right now, and it seems most marvel fans are jumping on that bandwagon.