Originally posted by Femi32
I agree with Firefly218. WB are cowards for the reasons he stated. It is better to be late than never, but making a Justice League film after Batman/Superman is stupid. We may know who the characters are, but we won't know the specifics about them or connect to them without their own solo movies. If you didn't know who most of these characters were, you wouldn't feel the anticipation of them joining up without their own movies. It would just be another big movie. This is what the Avengers avoided and why it was a huge success.Since WB is the most successful studio in the US, why don't they use that success to fast track a Wonder Woman and Aquaman movie before Justice League? They have no other DC films besides Batman vs. Superman, so they might as well.
Aquaman is a HUGE investment that might not pay off. You think it's cheap to shoot in the ocean?
Female lead rolls don't usually do well. Yes, Hunger Games did well, but that's usually the exception. Let me ask you this: What types of movies do you think WB is going to invest in? Something like Gravity, Batman, or Lego movie? Or something like Wonder Woman, Hawkman, or Aquaman? WB's the most profitable for a reason, because they invest in movies that will sell and the combination of not going over their budget.
Remember, WB isn't solely for super hero movies. They are an all genre studio. Super heroes is just one small portion of what they make. Although, I think Kevin said they would expand their super hero movies in the future...
Originally posted by Golgo13
Who would you want to be the main villain in the JL movie?
Actually I was joking , but seeing as how DC/WB is going about their movie universe then Yes I see them trying to use Darkseid as to copy/rush because of the success of Marvel Studios.
This will play with what they are doing now "Rushing" their universe and Characters into the general audience because of the Marvel pressure.
Marvel didn't just use their biggest baddest villain right off the bat. First it was Loki, then Ultron , then Thanos (along with other villains in the solo films).
Green Lantern was stupid because of the villain they used. They could have used Sinestro as the villain.
Anyhow DC has lots of villains they could use without it looking like a "ME TOO" scenario.
I would use Luthor first then brainiac, or others. But since they are rushing then DS is probably it lol
Originally posted by Golgo13
Aquaman is a HUGE investment that might not pay off. You think it's cheap to shoot in the ocean?Female lead rolls don't usually do well. Yes, Hunger Games did well, but that's usually the exception. Let me ask you this: What types of movies do you think WB is going to invest in? Something like Gravity, Batman, or Lego movie? Or something like Wonder Woman, Hawkman, or Aquaman? WB's the most profitable for a reason, because they invest in movies that will sell and the combination of not going over their budget.
Remember, WB isn't solely for super hero movies. They are an all genre studio. Super heroes is just one small portion of what they make. Although, I think Kevin said they would expand their super hero movies in the future...
You have a point, except they already took a risk with their watered-down/butchered script version of Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, and Catwoman. These same guys green lit a chick-flick, non-comic inspired, Superman Returns. What kind of profitable studio would do that? Pacific Rim is the closest they've come to Aquaman and a good Green Lantern movie and that almost flopped. I hear they are making a sequel. The films we want are a risk, but it can be done If.
Originally posted by Femi32
You have a point, except they already took a risk with their watered-down/butchered script version of Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, and Catwoman. These same guys green lit a chick-flick, non-comic inspired, Superman Returns. What kind of profitable studio would do that? Pacific Rim is the closest they've come to Aquaman and a good Green Lantern movie and that almost flopped. I hear they are making a sequel. The films we want are a risk, but it can be done If.
Actually, if they were to take a risk, they wouldn't have re wrote the script and kept the old one. Jonah Hex and Catwoman were just bad, but so was the first Captain America and Punisher movies. 😛
I think as time goes on, studios will learn from their mistakes. I mean, MOS was A LOT better than Superman returns.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I would think DC postponed Superman/Batman because they're shooting it back-2-back with the Justice League movie. It's a possibility.That said, the DC division of Warner Bros is full of cowards. They had a rich universe of superhero characters which they didn't have the balls to seriously invest in. Only once Marvel was successful with the Avengers did Warner Bros announce plans for a shared universe. And now WB has no patience to carefully develop their universe. They just decided to throw all their characters into a single movie at once to "keep up" with Marvel.
Disney is patient and works for quality, Warner Bros is impulsive and jumps at the money #Difference
Originally posted by Femi32
I agree with Firefly218. WB are cowards for the reasons he stated. It is better to be late than never, but making a Justice League film after Batman/Superman is stupid. We may know who the characters are, but we won't know the specifics about them or connect to them without their own solo movies. If you didn't know who most of these characters were, you wouldn't feel the anticipation of them joining up without their own movies. It would just be another big movie. This is what the Avengers avoided and why it was a huge success.Since WB is the most successful studio in the US, why don't they use that success to fast track a Wonder Woman and Aquaman movie before Justice League? They have no other DC films besides Batman vs. Superman, so they might as well.
DAMN STRAIGHT
Originally posted by Inhuman
Actually I was joking , but seeing as how DC/WB is going about their movie universe then Yes I see them trying to use Darkseid as to copy/rush because of the success of Marvel Studios.
This will play with what they are doing now "Rushing" their universe and Characters into the general audience because of the Marvel pressure.
Marvel didn't just use their biggest baddest villain right off the bat. First it was Loki, then Ultron , then Thanos (along with other villains in the solo films).
Green Lantern was stupid because of the villain they used. They could have used Sinestro as the villain.
Anyhow DC has lots of villains they could use without it looking like a "ME TOO" scenario.
I would use Luthor first then brainiac, or others. But since they are rushing then DS is probably it lol
of course Darkseid will be the villain in the Justice League, that is the only logical choice those cowards can make lmao
Originally posted by Golgo13
Where is the info that shows Darkseid as the villain?
you are just a barrel of monkey laughs..
i guess you have never heard of or use common sense..
i guess you can't or don;t read between the lines ,,,
you also don;t value other peoples opinions which is a grave mistake on your part
having Darkseid be the person behind the scenes, y know the possible post credit scene, unless Snyder decides to show him in shadows Batman v. Superman is the perfect segue into the Justice League film.. Brainiac is more of Supes solo villain for the 2nd Man of Steel sequel.. Since you know the rumor of them filming Justice League seconds after they are done filming Bats/Supes .. There has got to be some reason why these heroes have to all of a sudden team up.. Having Darkseid assures that
Originally posted by Femi32I agree with the points here as well. They waited and seem to be trying to rush in order to mimic the success of marvel. Its kind of laughable to me tbh.
I agree with Firefly218. WB are cowards for the reasons he stated. It is better to be late than never, but making a Justice League film after Batman/Superman is stupid. We may know who the characters are, but we won't know the specifics about them or connect to them without their own solo movies. If you didn't know who most of these characters were, you wouldn't feel the anticipation of them joining up without their own movies. It would just be another big movie. This is what the Avengers avoided and why it was a huge success.Since WB is the most successful studio in the US, why don't they use that success to fast track a Wonder Woman and Aquaman movie before Justice League? They have no other DC films besides Batman vs. Superman, so they might as well.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Actually, if they were to take a risk, they wouldn't have re wrote the script and kept the old one. Jonah Hex and Catwoman were just bad, but so was the first Captain America and Punisher movies. 😛I think as time goes on, studios will learn from their mistakes. I mean, MOS was A LOT better than Superman returns.
Both studios had flops before 2000. Flops happen. However, WB should've learned after Batman and Robin. All of their comic book movie flops weren't taken seriously and it's the common denominator with all of their flops. I doubt Wonder Woman and Aquaman would flop if they are taken as seriously as Pacific Rim. They have the benefit of being household names, despite their perceived campiness.
Man of Steel didn't look like it was going to sell a lot until people saw those trailers. There was actually a collage of video reactions because it was the first time Superman was taken this seriously. People quickly forgot about Superman Returns. It was actually predicted to make more than it actually took in (blame Goyer).
If that type of treatment will work for a character with three underwhelming sequels past Superman 2, I don't see how getting the best proven talent to work on Wonder Woman and Aquaman will fail. This is the Golden Age of Comic Book Movies and risks are definitely worth it, now.
Originally posted by Femi32
Both studios had flops before 2000. Flops happen. However, WB should've learned after Batman and Robin. All of their comic book movie flops weren't taken seriously and it's the common denominator with all of their flops. I doubt Wonder Woman and Aquaman would flop if they are taken as seriously as Pacific Rim. They have the benefit of being household names, despite their perceived campiness.Man of Steel didn't look like it was going to sell a lot until people saw those trailers. There was actually a collage of video reactions because it was the first time Superman was taken this seriously. People quickly forgot about Superman Returns. It was actually predicted to make more than it actually took in (blame Goyer).
If that type of treatment will work for a character with three underwhelming sequels past Superman 2, I don't see how getting the best proven talent to work on Wonder Woman and Aquaman will fail. This is the Golden Age of Comic Book Movies and risks are definitely worth it, now.
Really depends on your definition of a flop. Pacific Rim only made 100 M dollars domestically. Hell, Green Lantern made MORE than that domestically.
So far, the DCCU is starting off well. You can't judge what's going to happen in the future, because of the past. It's a whole new ball game here.
And I never said WW or Aquaman was a guarantee fail. They could succeed, but WB needs to find someone who actually wants to do it. And even if they did, it's still not a guarantee.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Jonah Hex and Catwoman were just bad, but so was the first Captain America and Punisher movies. 😛
How was the first Cap movie bad? Avengers would have not been received well if the cap movie was shit. There would also be no cap 2 and 3.
The was they showed that Steve was a Hero and had heart before he had any powers was executed great. Before there was no way to do a respectable cap movie with how ridiculous his uniform is to the non comic fan. It was brilliant how the showed the audience why his uniform was so patriotic, old fashioned and pretty cheesy. Besides other things the movie got right.
Dont know why you think it was bad. barker
Originally posted by Inhuman
How was the first Cap movie bad? Avengers would have not been received well if the cap movie was shit. There would also be no cap 2 and 3.
The was they showed that Steve was a Hero and had heart before he had any powers was executed great. Before there was no way to do a respectable cap movie with how ridiculous his uniform is to the non comic fan. It was brilliant how the showed the audience why his uniform was so patriotic, old fashioned and pretty cheesy. Besides other things the movie got right.
Dont know why you think it was bad. barker
He's talking about the 90s one.