Originally posted by Inhuman
How was the first Cap movie bad? Avengers would have not been received well if the cap movie was shit. There would also be no cap 2 and 3.
The was they showed that Steve was a Hero and had heart before he had any powers was executed great. Before there was no way to do a respectable cap movie with how ridiculous his uniform is to the non comic fan. It was brilliant how the showed the audience why his uniform was so patriotic, old fashioned and pretty cheesy. Besides other things the movie got right.
Dont know why you think it was bad. barker
Nah, I liked Cap (Disney) one just fine. Mainly because of Red Skull, but I'm talking about the earlier version. Same with Fantastic Four (Not the Jessica Alba one) and even the Hulk.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Really depends on your definition of a flop. Pacific Rim only made 100 M dollars domestically. Hell, Green Lantern made MORE than that domestically.So far, the DCCU is starting off well. You can't judge what's going to happen in the future, because of the past. It's a whole new ball game here.
And I never said WW or Aquaman was a guarantee fail. They could succeed, but WB needs to find someone who actually wants to do it. And even if they did, it's still not a guarantee.
That's why I mentioned it almost flopped. Even with that, it still managed to break even and wouldn't have done so if it weren't taken seriously. You're right that WW and AM aren't guaranteed success if everything is done right, but they have the benefit of being household names. Pacific Rim didn't have that. I still like those characters' chances.
Originally posted by Femi32
That's why I mentioned it almost flopped. Even with that, it still managed to break even and wouldn't have done so if it weren't taken seriously. You're right that WW and AM aren't guaranteed success if everything is done right, but they have the benefit of being household names. Pacific Rim didn't have that. I still like those characters' chances.
True. Although, I don't think Aquaman and WW are household names as you might think. Maybe they were when the super friends were on, but as time goes on, characters become more and less popular. Most people don't even know that Aquaman and WW are in the same universe. I usually like to ask people for fun and most don't even know who Aquaman is. lol.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nah, I liked Cap (Disney) one just fine. Mainly because of Red Skull, but I'm talking about the earlier version. Same with Fantastic Four (Not the Jessica Alba one) and even the Hulk.
The FOX fantastic four movies are crap. Also not a fan of the Ang Lee Hulk.
Dem hulk dogs though.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nobody knows what WB's plans are. It's not confirmed that a JL movie is coming out AFTER Batman vs Superman. And it's ok to INTRODUCE a character then have it spin out of this huge movie. Team movies have been good without solo titles coming before. X-Men being a primary example.
The difference with X-Men is all the individual characters don't need an origin story. With Justice League they do, otherwise it's just going to be a movie where random superheroes keep just popping up out of nowhere.
Also you better hope JL has a hell of a lot more box office success than the original X-Men trilogy.
Fact is having no origins fit in for each hero means there will be little hype for the movie. It will just be seen as the sequel to Batman vs Superman, but now with their super friends added. So B vs S would have to seriously f***ing rock for JL to even try to compete with Avengers in that scenario.
Originally posted by Femi32
That's why I mentioned it almost flopped. Even with that, it still managed to break even and wouldn't have done so if it weren't taken seriously.
GL did flop because they lost money on that movie. You have to remember the theatres take like a third of the box office for themselves.
So 2/3 of GL's earnings was not even close to it's production plus marketing costs.
Pacific Rim on the other hand had the kind of success they were probably expecting from GL. It was solidly profitable, (even though it was risky with such a big production cost for such an unknown franchise).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The difference with X-Men is all the individual characters don't need an origin story. With Justice League they do, otherwise it's just going to be a movie where random superheroes keep just popping up out of nowhere.Also you better hope JL has a hell of a lot more box office success than the original X-Men trilogy.
Fact is having no origins fit in for each hero means there will be little hype for the movie. It will just be seen as the sequel to Batman vs Superman, but now with their super friends added. So B vs S would have to seriously f***ing rock for JL to even try to compete with Avengers in that scenario.
All of them? Hardly. We all know batmans origin story and we just had a superman and gl movie. That only leaves wondy. And just like the last hulk movie you can have a short origin that lasts a few minutes. Have a LOTR style epic and spread it out. Its all about how you handle the characters and snyder is pretty good with that. Watchmen is a good example. Most of them had origins.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
GL did flop because they lost money on that movie. You have to remember the theatres take like a third of the box office for themselves.So 2/3 of GL's earnings was not even close to it's production plus marketing costs.
Pacific Rim on the other hand had the kind of success they were probably expecting from GL. It was solidly profitable, (even though it was risky with such a big production cost for such an unknown franchise).
I never disputed GL flopping. I just used Pacific Rim as an example of WB taking a risk and how not taking a risk in good faith for anyone not named Batman or Superman would be hypocritical.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Pacific Rim would have been a flop if not for it doing very well in the international market, especially China & Japan. That's not exactly a formula I would copy
It's not the formula they need to copy. It's the quality. All of WB's DC flops weren't even half as good as Pacific Rim. Pacific Rim was a new movie with no prior establishment coming out in a packed summer and it still broke even. Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, and Catwoman had the DC logo and star power and all flopped.
Originally posted by Golgo13domestic is a 2/3 share, I'm not sure what the breakdown is internationally
But isnt domestic more important? I thought the studios dont get the full profit from international markets.
Originally posted by Bentleyyeah? I'll have to check it out then.
That's because americans have sh_tty taste 👆
Pacific Rim is more of a risk than DC properties.
Lesser DC properties have a much bigger box office potential, can be built off of uber successful properties like superman and can be used as marketing tools for other DC movies. There are so many benefits of giving characters like Flash, Wonder Woman and Aquaman their own movies.
Warner Bros isn't very consistent in it's investments.
Originally posted by Golgo13
All of them? Hardly. We all know batmans origin story and we just had a superman and gl movie. That only leaves wondy. And just like the last hulk movie you can have a short origin that lasts a few minutes. Have a LOTR style epic and spread it out. Its all about how you handle the characters and snyder is pretty good with that. Watchmen is a good example. Most of them had origins.
Wonder Woman and The Flash need an origin story. As well as any other Leaguers who they want to use like Aquaman, Hawkman or Green Arrow.
Besides it's not just about Origins. These characters need their own solo movies to build hype for a JL movie. That's what made Avengers so huge, which then in turn gave a massive boost to all the individual Avenger solo franchises.