Originally posted by pym-ftw
Why? BVS is the movie the general populace wants to see, who in the JL movie are people dying to see added?
Whoever they are adding. I'm not saying it will draw interest in the other members, but it could very well draw more interest when they are along side Superman or Batman. It all depends on how it's done.
Originally posted by Golgo13that isn't the way to draw more viewers from a purely marketing stand point.
Whoever they are adding. I'm not saying it will draw interest in the other members, but it could very well draw more interest when they are along side Superman or Batman. It all depends on how it's done.
Originally posted by Golgo13honestly more people see them doing the same half a**ed money grab Fox is trying.
Most people know they are doing it in reverse.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
that isn't the way to draw more viewers from a purely marketing stand point. honestly more people see them doing the same half a**ed money grab Fox is trying.
Why couldn't it be?
Comicvine has a good article on how it's possible and could work.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
They HAVE to do things differently from Marvel, otherwise people will say they're just copying Marvel. We all know that's how it would play out.
Justice League by it's very nature might be seen as many to be a copy of Avengers. But the studio shouldn't be focusing on that, and shouldn't abandon a formula they know works due to that kind of paranoia.
The reason they're doing this is because after the failure that was Green Lantern, and other financially unsuccessful attempts at adapting DC properties like Watchmen, WB just doesn't want to risk making any DC solo properties on the big screen until they have some big exposure first.
Justice League is going to be their way to give other heroes exposure, so they have the confidence to do solo films based on those heroes. Which means JL will just be a means to an end (which is terrible). It won't be their biggest hit. That will be Batman vs Superman. After BvS, JL will have nothing more to get audiences all excited. The extra heroes that nobody cares about, will just seem like overcrowding.
And btw it's not like Marvel invented the shared Movie Universe thing. It's been done before. Avengers was just the biggest outing to date for a shared movie Universe. But still if WB/DC were really intent on doing things "differently" then I'd say link it to their TV series. Put in Arrow and the Flash from TV. Then if anyone wants to know their Origins, then tell them to watch the series. But this idea of not doing Origins, not creating any hype for the other JL members and just jumping straight into the team up movie is just terrible IMHO.
Originally posted by Golgo13
John Campea says it perfectly. There is no need to do solo movies before the JL movie.
Campea's an idiot sometimes. In that same video he has to finally accept The Clone Wars is canon to the Star Wars movies because of Lucasfilm's official statement. Before that he always insisted for no reason whatsoever that The Clone Wars was not canon to the movies, even though Lucas always said it was.
Originally posted by Firefly218
If WB wants to be different from Marvel:Superman vs. Batman movie w/ cameos from WW, Cyborg etc...
Then do solo movies for WW and whoever else. Each solo movie can end where the character begins in supes vs Bats.
Then a Justice League movie that continues the storyline of Supes vs Bats
Yep there's loads of ways to be "different" to Marvel.
In fact just doing such a big Duo movie with Bats and Supes is already very different to the way Marvel has done it.
The being "different" thing is no excuse to break a known successful model, and nor is it even that important.
Originally posted by ares834
Serious question, why do you all want solo movies before the team film so badly? What does it add for us (people already familiar with the characters)?
People are familiar with the characters, but they don't care about them yet. Giving the character an origin movie will allow for the GA to really care about the character before Justice League.
Originally posted by Firefly218
People are familiar with the characters, but they don't care about them yet. Giving the character an origin movie will allow for the GA to really care about the character before Justice League.
Which is why I specified us and not the GA. The majority of people in this thread likely care about these characters already, or if they don't a movie isn't going to change that unless it completely changes the character.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Justice League by it's very nature might be seen as many to be a copy of Avengers. But the studio shouldn't be focusing on that, and shouldn't abandon a formula they know works due to that kind of paranoia.The reason they're doing this is because after the failure that was Green Lantern, and other financially unsuccessful attempts at adapting DC properties like Watchmen, WB just doesn't want to risk making any DC solo properties on the big screen until they have some big exposure first.
Justice League is going to be their way to give other heroes exposure, so they have the confidence to do solo films based on those heroes. Which means JL will just be a means to an end (which is terrible). It won't be their biggest hit. That will be Batman vs Superman. After BvS, JL will have nothing more to get audiences all excited. The extra heroes that nobody cares about, will just seem like overcrowding.
And btw it's not like Marvel invented the shared Movie Universe thing. It's been done before. Avengers was just the biggest outing to date for a shared movie Universe. But still if WB/DC were really intent on doing things "differently" then I'd say link it to their TV series. Put in Arrow and the Flash from TV. Then if anyone wants to know their Origins, then tell them to watch the series. But this idea of not doing Origins, not creating any hype for the other JL members and just jumping straight into the team up movie is just terrible IMHO.
Originally posted by Firefly218
People are familiar with the characters, but they don't care about them yet. Giving the character an origin movie will allow for the GA to really care about the character before Justice League.
i agree
Originally posted by ares834
Which is why I specified us and not the GA. The majority of people in this thread likely care about these characters already, or if they don't a movie isn't going to change that unless it completely changes the character.
the thing is comic book movies MUST appeal to more than just people who read the comics.. if you want turnover then they have got to explain to people who exactly is WW, or The Flash, etc... I don't to have to explain to people in my family or to a lot of my friends who don't read comic books who these people are... Studios know these things except maybe WB.. Marvel took the time to tell people who their characters were and gave us hints about Nick Fury and Black Widow finally the Avengers came out and comic book lovers and non fans went and saw it and we all know what well the film did.. Recently look at Cap: Winter Soldier , I've seen the film 5 times already and each time I have seen different people in the theater.. Yes it is the old adage of monkey see, monkey do but it is a tried and true formula , another prime example, look at how many tv shows on the air are cop shows.. Maybe WB/DC should exactly copy Marvel but there are lessons to be learned from them.
Originally posted by Golgo13
People assume MM or Aquaman are in this. We could be getting just five membets or so. Most already having origins. I like what the last hulk movie did. Tell a very brief origin. You dont need a whole movie to do that.
the downside to that is WB/DC has to get people to care about these people and giving them a good origin especially in what most likely will be a film close to 3 hours will do that..
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Justice League by it's very nature might be seen as many to be a copy of Avengers. But the studio shouldn't be focusing on that, and shouldn't abandon a formula they know works due to that kind of paranoia.The reason they're doing this is because after the failure that was Green Lantern, and other financially unsuccessful attempts at adapting DC properties like Watchmen, WB just doesn't want to risk making any DC solo properties on the big screen until they have some big exposure first.
Justice League is going to be their way to give other heroes exposure, so they have the confidence to do solo films based on those heroes. Which means JL will just be a means to an end (which is terrible). It won't be their biggest hit. That will be Batman vs Superman. After BvS, JL will have nothing more to get audiences all excited. The extra heroes that nobody cares about, will just seem like overcrowding.
And btw it's not like Marvel invented the shared Movie Universe thing. It's been done before. Avengers was just the biggest outing to date for a shared movie Universe. But still if WB/DC were really intent on doing things "differently" then I'd say link it to their TV series. Put in Arrow and the Flash from TV. Then if anyone wants to know their Origins, then tell them to watch the series. But this idea of not doing Origins, not creating any hype for the other JL members and just jumping straight into the team up movie is just terrible IMHO.
The thing is, it was a successful business model for the Avengers because there was only one majorly popular character on the whole team, The Hulk. Maybe Captain America. The Justice League is world famous. They have a lot more to go off of. ESPECIALLY coming off the heels of Batman vs Superman. It can be done if they use Batman vs Superman the right way.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the thing is comic book movies MUST appeal to more than just people who read the comics.. if you want turnover then they have got to explain to people who exactly is WW, or The Flash, etc... I don't to have to explain to people in my family or to a lot of my friends who don't read comic books who these people are... Studios know these things except maybe WB.. Marvel took the time to tell people who their characters were and gave us hints about Nick Fury and Black Widow finally the Avengers came out and comic book lovers and non fans went and saw it and we all know what well the film did.. Recently look at Cap: Winter Soldier , I've seen the film 5 times already and each time I have seen different people in the theater.. Yes it is the old adage of monkey see, monkey do but it is a tried and true formula , another prime example, look at how many tv shows on the air are cop shows.. Maybe WB/DC should exactly copy Marvel but there are lessons to be learned from them.
And I'm sure it will still appeal to them. Plus that completely avoids my point. Why do us comic fans need to have solo films for these characters before seeing them together in the JL?
This article states it perfect on why these next two films will be huge hits.
Add it all up — Batman and Superman have combined to bring Warner $3.5 billion in box office revenue from 5 films in 9 years, only one of those films enjoying 3D pricing. Both franchises took in excess of $1 billion at the box office during that time.Putting Batman alongside Superman, adding in Wonder Woman, and releasing in IMAX 3D is going to make these films massive hits, as long as they cross the basic threshold of not being really bad movies that get trashed by critics and early audience buzz. Batman’s box office clout is a given, superhero films are consistently performing stronger at the worldwide box office, and teaming up major superhero characters in films has proven lucrative.
There’s just no rational reason to expect a Superman-Wonder Woman-Batman movie to do less than $1 billion, and probably much higher. Especially since the marketing will drive home the point this is the lead-in to an even bigger superhero team-up in Justice League. I’ve been saying that if they market it as “Justice League Begins,” they’ll reap the financial rewards, and it’s clear now that this is precisely what’s going to happen.
Now add in the icing on the cake — the release of both films in close proximity to one another. While it’s not officially confirmed from the studio yet, many of us have known for months that the movies would be shooting close together, and that some of the filming plans and production scheduling for Superman vs. Batman is geared toward allowing some overlap. I’ve been telling my readers for months that of course Justice League was happening, that it would be the next film, and that it would both shoot and release quickly after the Man of Steel sequel.
Aaaand to address that this is being rushed...
So, the idea that Warner is crowding their newest superhero film because it features Batman fighting Superman while Wonder Woman has a small role and Victor Stone (aka Cyborg) cameos just doesn’t make much sense. What matters is storytelling, what matters is the quality of the film. And in that regard, the screenplay for Superman vs. Batman has been written by Oscar-winner Chris Terrio; it’s directed by Zack Snyder — one of the greatest directors of comic book adaptations; it stars a cast of Oscar-winners and nominees; it added Oscar-winning writer-director Ben Affleck as Batman; and it’s got two years to film and edit and be perfected as much as possible. Warner knows the cinematic future of their DC Comics properties relies on this film being great and a huge success, and they’re taking their time to get it right, even if it requires delaying the release by a year.All of this is without even spilling the beans about who is in the film besides the names we’ve already heard. Having previously been aware of several details of the story from the original script for Superman vs. Batman — including the villains, and some cameos by certain superheroes and other characters — I’ve been confident fans and the general public would be excited once they find out what the movies have in store.
While it appears some changes were made in the new screenplay, I still know enough about some additional characters and story points to know that all of the negative, skeptical remarks from some fans and press is simply flat-out wrong. The project is not in chaos nor is it confused or still lacking a coherent plan. It’s not too crowded, and there are reasons that these characters show up at this time. It still has to be made and has to be done well, of course. But knowing a bit of what’s in store, and contemplating that in the context of who’s involved in the project and the longer-term plans for the cinematic DCU, I see no reason to be pessimistic or skeptical and every reason to be hopeful that these films will silence the naysayers.
Originally posted by ares834
And I'm sure it will still appeal to them. Plus that completely avoids my point. Why do us comic fans need to have solo films for these characters before seeing them together in the JL?
Because we still want to know the specific versions of these characters and see how they fit in the DC cinematic universe. The new 52 came out, but they still gave you an origin for those characters except Batman, Green Lantern, and some others. If they can do that in a medium where it will be redundant for 99% of the audience, why not for a medium where 70% or more of the audience will have a blank slate on who these characters are.
I've known Wonder Woman and Aquaman for a long time, but it wasn't until a couple of months ago that I started reading their comics and getting to know the characters. Knowing the name and knowing the person are two completely different things.
Also, since some don't care that much about solo movies, how about we just ask for Justice League movies from now on. Forget solo Batman and Superman films, too. Kill two and more birds with one stone. I'm pretty sure WB would consider that shortcut. They're already content with one movie every two years.
Originally posted by Golgo13
This article states it perfect on why these next two films will be huge hits.Aaaand to address that this is being rushed...
Of course Justice League will be a hit, regardless of how good it actually is. The point is, if Warner Bros is more patient and properly does the solo films first, Justice League has so much more potential.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Of course Justice League will be a hit, regardless of how good it actually is. The point is, if Warner Bros is more patient and properly does the solo films first, Justice League has so much more potential.
That's hardly a guarantee. What works for one studio does not equate for another.