Still seems like a rush job , or desperation moves.
I dont get why WB/DC whole futute plans scream "beat Marvel to the punch". I get that vibe from all these announcements and their movieverse plans..
The thing is that Marvel already beat them to the punch. There is no reason to try to rush out a JL movie to compete against Avengers 2 or 3.
They were already beaten in that regard by Marvel. They need to stop focusing on rushing everything to compete with marvel and do things right for the sake of their universe.
A few posters already mentioned good ways to go about this. ex. small cameos in Bat vs. supes that lead to individual movies, and later down the line a JL movie. Or incorporate the TV show origins into the movieverse of some their characters, etc.
Originally posted by Golgo13
That's hardly a guarantee. What works for one studio does not equate for another.
How on earth would it not work with the right people? Sure, Incredible Hulk wasn't received that well, but that can be attributed to Ang Lee's Hulk and the Hulk did look kind of funky. The others did well. If The solo movies were coming out now, you don't think an end credit scene with Man of Steel featuring Wonder Woman would generate interest?
Originally posted by Golgo13
The GA doesn't really care if there are solo movies before JL, anyway.
Until it comes out, does good, and generates interest for Justice League.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Still seems like a rush job , or desperation moves.
I dont get why WB/DC whole futute plans scream "beat Marvel to the punch". I get that vibe from all these announcements and their movieverse plans..
The thing is that Marvel already beat them to the punch. There is no reason to try to rush out a JL movie to compete against Avengers 2 or 3.
They were already beaten in that regard by Marvel. They need to stop focusing on rushing everything to compete with marvel and do things right for the sake of their universe.
A few posters already mentioned good ways to go about this. ex. small cameos in Bat vs. supes that lead to individual movies, and later down the line a JL movie. Or incorporate the TV show origins into the movieverse of some their characters, etc.
Like Campea said, studios think dollars. Just because there are solo movies, doesn't mean it will bring in the money for the studio. We have seen that at times. So, they are thinking loss. At the same time, what if there is NOBODY to do a an Aquaman movie or a Flash movie? That will delay the JL movie even more.
Originally posted by Femi32
How on earth would it not work with the right people? Sure, Incredible Hulk wasn't received that well, but that can be attributed to Ang Lee's Hulk and the Hulk did look kind of funky. The others did well. If The solo movies were coming out now, you don't think an end credit scene with Man of Steel featuring Wonder Woman would generate interest?
Because there might not be the right people to do the movie. Movies just don't come out of thin air. Takes the right PEOPLE to get it right.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Like Campea said, studios think dollars. Just because there are solo movies, doesn't mean it will bring in the money for the studio. We have seen that at times. So, they are thinking loss. At the same time, what if there is NOBODY to do a an Aquaman movie or a Flash movie? That will delay the JL movie even more.
You just explained it perfectly. Warner Bros has no balls 😛
Originally posted by Firefly218
You just explained it perfectly. Warner Bros has no balls 😛
It has nothing to do with that. WB/Kevin T are actually expanding the DC properties throughout all the mediums and it was announced that 9 movies are in development along with 6 or 7 tv shows. However, what I meant by that, is there might not be people (the right people) to do the movies before 2017. For example, many people want James Cameron to do an Aquaman/JL movie, but his hands are tied up with Avatar.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Because there might not be the right people to do the movie. Movies just don't come out of thin air. Takes the right PEOPLE to get it right.
WB can take the effort to find the right people. That logic can apply to just about any movie that will or won't ever be made.
The threat of "not finding the right person" is not an excuse. There is always a director or actor out there with potential to make a great movie.
Originally posted by Firefly218
WB can take the effort to find the right people. That logic can apply to just about any movie that will or won't ever be made.The threat of "not finding the right person" is not an excuse. There is always a director or actor out there with potential to make a great movie.
That's assuming those right people even want to do it. and or have an open schedule. Works both ways.
Originally posted by Golgo13
That's assuming those right people even want to do it. and or have an open schedule. Works both ways.
If the particular person doesn't want to do it, or there schedule doesn't allow for it, they aren't the right person.
There is always a right person out there. The point is, WB didn't even make a serious effort to find that person.
Originally posted by Firefly218
If the particular person doesn't want to do it, or there schedule doesn't allow for it, they aren't the right person.There is always a right person out there. The point is, WB didn't even make a serious effort to find that person.
And how can you prove that? WB has actually asked a few people to do several DC movies, but some have denied them.
Originally posted by Golgo13
And how can you prove that? WB has actually asked a few people to do several DC movies, but some have denied them.
It's a good assumption.
WB actually had Joss Whedon for a solo WW movie - they ended up pussying out thinking a woman couldn't carry a movie.
I think Marvel had much more ambition and initiative in constructing a cohesive cinematic universe. But that's also partly because Marvel was going bankrupt and had nothing to lose, while WB had Harry Potter.
There are thousands of legit directors out there. If WB really tried, it could definitely find the right one for solo WW or Aquaman
Originally posted by Firefly218
It's a good assumption.WB actually had Joss Whedon for a solo WW movie - they ended up pussying out thinking a woman couldn't carry a movie.
I think Marvel had much more ambition and initiative in constructing a cohesive cinematic universe. But that's also partly because Marvel was going bankrupt and had nothing to lose, while WB had Harry Potter.
There are thousands of legit directors out there. If WB really tried, it could definitely find the right one for solo WW or Aquaman
That Joss Whedon thing was supposedly horrible according to a lot of fans, so that's not a good example. So, apparently he wasn't the right person for the job if it was.
Same with the first director who wanted to direct the JL. Remember, this isn't the first time WB wanted make the JL. They have been wanting to do it for years, but couldn't get the right direction.
Thousands, huh? Only a small portion of those will do the right job for the budget. Not ALL of them are qualified.
Originally posted by Golgo13
That Joss Whedon thing was supposedly horrible according to a lot of fans, so that's not a good example. So, apparently he wasn't the right person for the job if it was.Same with the first director who wanted to direct the JL. Remember, this isn't the first time WB wanted make the JL. They have been wanting to do it for years, but couldn't get the right direction.
If anyone was perfect for Wonder Woman, it was Joss Whedon. BTW, we couldn't have known if it was horrible, Joss Whedon never finished the script.
WB could have definitely found someone to helm their solo movies. They were just indecisive and insecure in their investments (ie. had no balls).
Marvel had balls, even if it was because they were going bankrupt and had nothing to lose. Payed off for Marvel
Originally posted by Golgo13
And how can you prove that? WB has actually asked a few people to do several DC movies, but some have denied them.
I can prove it by simply seeing Bruce Timm's absence from any of these movies. This man is responsible for nearly everything DC animated that is better than both DC and Marvel's cinematic outputs. What is he doing now? He's still working on animation. He's proved himself capable of being a competent executive producer of the DC cinematic universe. If he spearheaded the DCcU, we would have what we want.
Originally posted by Firefly218
If anyone was perfect for Wonder Woman, it was Joss Whedon. BTW, we couldn't have known if it was horrible, Joss Whedon never finished the script.WB could have definitely found someone to helm their solo movies. They were just indecisive and insecure in their investments (ie. had no balls).
Marvel had balls, even if it was because they were going bankrupt and had nothing to lose. Payed off for Marvel
If you didn't see the script, how can you be so sure? Works both ways.
And, let's just agree to disagree with the rest.
Originally posted by Femi32
I can prove it by simply seeing Bruce Timm's absence from any of these movies. This man is responsible for nearly everything DC animated that is better than both DC and Marvel's cinematic outputs. What is he doing now? He's still working on animation. He's proved himself capable of being a competent executive producer of the DC cinematic universe. If he spearheaded the DCcU, we would have what we want.
Campea touched upon this as well. Just because you do well in the cartoon/TV aspect, doesn't mean he'll translate well in live action.