WB to announce Superman/Batman & JLA movies

Originally posted by roughrider
Chris Columbus was already shooting the second Harry Potter film when the first one came out. There was a conscious plan to get the films out to mirror every individual school year, so there was no sitting back for a breather then getting the next film out in 2-3 years time. By the time the series wrapped, they have released 8 films in a 9 1/2 year time span. They got a freight train of production started at the beginning, and kept it going to the end.

Sure. They may not have had a lengthy development cycle between films, but they weren't shot back-to-back like you claimed. Also there was a two year gap between OotP and HBP.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yes they do, only people who read the comic book know of them, a whole helluva lot of the general public don;t know who aquaman is, or the flash etc..

I think most people know who Aquman is (not well mind you but they are aware of him). Plus he is born with his powers he doesn't get them. And let's face it, Aquaman has too large of a stigma on his character for a solo film right now. However, the JL film would be a great way to "sell" Aquman to the audience (assumign he is utterly bad ass in it).

The Flash, meanwhile, has the TV series to explain how he got his powers. Sure, it may not fall into the DCCU's continuity, but then neither did the Hulk and I felt that worked out fine. I feel the same way about the GL film as well.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It makes sense to shoot back to back. I have faith in Snyder.

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If the JL is serving as a direct sequel to SvB it's easily the best decision. Plus, it shows that WB finally has some confidence in their DC properties, which is great.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. They may not have had a lengthy development cycle between films, but they weren't shot back-to-back like you claimed. Also there was a two year gap between OotP and HBP.

I think most people know who Aquman is (not well mind you but they are aware of him). Plus he is born with his powers he doesn't get them. And let's face it, Aquaman has too large of a stigma on his character for a solo film right now. However, the JL film would be a great way to "sell" Aquman to the audience (assumign he is utterly bad ass in it).

The Flash, meanwhile, has the TV series to explain how he got his powers. Sure, it may not fall into the DCCU's continuity, but then neither did the Hulk and I felt that worked out fine. I feel the same way about the GL film as well.

Well said.

Originally posted by ares834
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If the JL is serving as a direct sequel to SvB it's easily the best decision. Plus, it shows that WB finally has some confidence in their DC properties, which is great.

From the sounds of what they're doing, it actually SOUNDS like they have a plan/vision. Can't wait until I see how it all unfolds.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. They may not have had a lengthy development cycle between films, but they weren't shot back-to-back like you claimed. Also there was a two year gap between OotP and HBP.

So consider the Harry Potter model an in-between version of the LOTR/Hobbit model and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Marvel Studios released six films in a four year span - climaxing with Avengers - using five different directors. Harry Potter used four directors for eight films (the last film being one split into two parts.) You can cover a lot more ground in shorter time if you're willing to trust other directors, and not just put all your eggs in one basket (*cough*Zack Snyder*cough*)

Zack Snyder is hardly my first pick to direct the JL, but with his vision, it's basically one big story that doesn't NEED to be directed by anyone else.

Originally posted by ares834
I don't want any more origin films. I'm sick of them. I also fail to see why they need to have solo films prior to the JL. Sure, it won't have the euphoric sense of seeing it all come together like what happened near the end of Avengers, but the JL was never going to be able to match that as it has already been done. So why try to do so? I'd rather they do something different, something unique and thankfully that's what they are doing.

Not having the euphoria is a bad thing. I sat down with my mom and we watched all the Marvel movies before I took her and my aunt to see the Avengers. She was into it because she was familiar with all of the characters and ended up loving the movie. She would not have been as immersed in the movie if she didn't see the solo films. Like it or not, origin films serve a purpose. Also, how do you know WB wouldn't match what Marvel did if they do it right? I don't see going straight into JL as fresh, but lazy. They've been historically nonchalant about getting a coherent DC universe out and this is their easiest way out of doing something they were never serious about doing.

Originally posted by ares834
The vast majority of people are going to know who Wonder Woman and likely even Aquaman are. Flash and Green Lantern are the less well known, however, Flash will have a television series and GL already has had a movie. People give the GA far too little credit, they will be fine seeing it. [/B]

I'm not really sure. Sure, we know them, but how well? If you ask people to give you the origins on Superman or Batman, they give it to you, but ask about the origins for the other Leaguers and they'll be stumped. They wouldn't even be able to name a rogue. That's the problem. Solo movies would fix that.

Originally posted by ares834

I think most people know who Aquman is (not well mind you but they are aware of him). Plus he is born with his powers he doesn't get them.

The Flash, meanwhile, has the TV series to explain how he got his powers. Sure, it may not fall into the DCCU's continuity, but then neither did the Hulk and I felt that worked out fine.

Thor was born with his power as well, but that didn't disqualify him from being worthy of a solo feature, and it was important to set up Asgard's existence in relation to Earth.

Besides the Hulk's TV show in the late 1970's & 80's, he had two solo features before appearing in Avengers. A very important refresher. You think anyone but hardcore fans are tuning into the Flash on TV right now?

Here's the central flaw in having so few films so quickly. MOS is set up as a science fiction first contact kind of story - the idea is that nothing in the world could prepare people for someone like Kal-El, a Godlike Alien being in their midst. That was the fear Jonathan Kent had for Clark, and it got echoed by Perry White later in the film when he rejected the story by Lois ("Can you imagine if someone like that was really out there?"😉 But now in two films, we are going to see a bunch of super-powered beings all coming out of the woodwork - an Amazon goddess from a secret island, a billionaire vigilante, a super speedster, a powerful representative from Atlantis, and who knows what else; apparently they were in plain sight all this time. They're just coming to join the party because Superman is now out there in the public?

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios made it clear at the end of Iron Man that Tony Stark isn't unique; in the words of Nick Fury, he had stepped into a larger world of heroes and strange powers without knowing it. It established Marvel's past ( the WW2 events with Captain America and the tesseract, plus the Hulk was likely already at large) and helped to set the future for both Tony and the audience, that things were going to get more fantastic from here.

Originally posted by Femi32
Not having the euphoria is a bad thing. I sat down with my mom and we watched all the Marvel movies before I took her and my aunt to see the Avengers. She was into it because she was familiar with all of the characters and ended up loving the movie. She would not have been as immersed in the movie if she didn't see the solo films. Like it or not, origin films serve a purpose. Also, how do you know WB wouldn't match what Marvel did if they do it right? I don't see going straight into JL as fresh, but lazy. They've been historically nonchalant about getting a coherent DC universe out and this is their easiest way out of doing something they were never serious about doing.

Plenty of films don't have the build up or anticipation that Avengers had and are fine. Just because Justice League is an ensemble cast doesn't mean you need it as well. Their are plenty of movies with ensemble casts in which none of the characters had a solo movie previous and they work out great.

Originally posted by Femi32
I'm not really sure. Sure, we know them, but how well? If you ask people to give you the origins on Superman or Batman, they give it to you, but ask about the origins for the other Leaguers and they'll be stumped. They wouldn't even be able to name a rogue. That's the problem. Solo movies would fix that.

I didn't suggest that the GA knows their origins, just are familiar with the characters. However, characters such as Wonder Woman and Aquaman really don't need their origin shown. Wonder Woman is a demi-god and Aquaman was born with his powers as well. The GA doesn't really need a big explanation for their powers in the case; all they need to know is WW is a demi-god and Aquaman is an Atlantean which are a group of super-"humans". Meanwhile Green Lantern has a movie explaining how he got his powers and Flash has an upcoming television series so they should be set as well.

Also, I'm not sure how the GA being unable to name a villain for these characters is a problem. Heck, I doubt most people could name an Iron Man villain despite the fact that he has been in four very successful films (three of which are entirely his own).

Also people seem to assume everyone saw all these solo films prior to the Avengers. That's a pretty big leap of logic. My mom only saw the first Iron Man film and she was fine with Avengers, heck she loved it. A few of my friends hadn't seen several of the solo films and they were able to easily follow Avengers and loved it as well.

Now sure, seeing all the solo films previously helped and built up anticipation even higher, but it isn't needed.

Originally posted by ares834
Also people seem to assume everyone saw all these solo films prior to the Avengers. That's a pretty big leap of logic. My mom only saw the first Iron Man film and she was fine with Avengers, heck she loved it. A few of my friends hadn't seen several of the solo films and they were able to easily follow Avengers and loved it as well.

Now sure, seeing all the solo films previously helped and built up anticipation even higher, but it isn't needed.

👆 Yeah, that's true. I only saw the first IM in theaters and nothing else.

Well, my new girlfriend last year was very interested in seeing Avengers on DVD (she missed it in theatres), as a hardcore Joss Whedon fan from his days on Buffy and Angel. But I told her she needed to see the other films first, which I all owned. She later thanked me for doing that for her; it made seeing Avengers a much richer experience. Heck, even with all that prep she still needed a bit of help telling characters apart. Now she follows the Marvel Cinematic Universe right alongside me, and getting caught up with DC related films like Man Of Steel and The Dark Knight Trilogy.

Originally posted by roughrider
Well, my new girlfriend last year was very interested in seeing Avengers on DVD (she missed it in theatres), as a hardcore Joss Whedon fan from his days on Buffy and Angel. But I told her she needed to see the other films first, which I all owned. She later thanked me for doing that for her; it made seeing Avengers a much richer experience. Heck, even with all that prep she still needed a bit of help telling characters apart. Now she follows the Marvel Cinematic Universe right alongside me, and getting caught up with DC related films like Man Of Steel and The Dark Knight Trilogy.

Yeah, but it doesn't always need to be designed that way.

Why wouldn't want it to be?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Why wouldn't want it to be?

Because it's not necessary to make it a huge success. BVS will be a blockbuster, just like the Justice League. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

I'm sure it will, but your literally endorsing DC's biggest flaw moving forward; assuming Superman & Batman will make people care about other characters.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'm sure it will, but your literally endorsing DC's biggest flaw moving forward; assuming Superman & Batman will make people care about other characters.

That's the thing. Just because you have solo movies first, doesn't guarantee success for each individual film. However, if you showcase them in one of the biggest films of the year and draw interest, it could mean bigger success box office wise for the rest of the team members. That's assuming BVS is good (GA loves it).

Why? BVS is the movie the general populace wants to see, who in the JL movie are people dying to see added?

I don't really mind them doing Justice league first then branching out with the solo movies. They HAVE to do things differently from Marvel, otherwise people will say they're just copying Marvel. We all know that's how it would play out.

People already say they are copying Marvel.