Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually hype is good either way. Those hating on it will watch the movie to hate on it even more Lol. But some of them may change their tune at that point.That being said I don't think these boards reflect the mainstream audience given we're mostly all sweaty comic book nerds here.
But I can tell you I've had more regular friends/family asking me when this movie is coming.
So I'm pretty sure once this movie is within reach the hype will go into overdrive. It's just not going to be in overdrive all year around like Marvel, because Marvel's giving us 2 great films every year. Whilst Dc gave us nothing last year and are giving us nothing this year either.
Originally posted by Quincy
The dude's caught up in the press of Ultron and shit, he's ensconced in nothing but hype currently.Ultron comes out in what, 2 months or something?
Anybody hyped for Ragnarok? Inhumans? Doctor Strange? Any non-fans hyping those on your facebook timeline?
Well many of my facebook friends are comic fans and do post constant superhero film updates. In another thread I posted one of their links about Marvel ceasing publishing of FF comics to hurt the film's BO. I just don't read comics because I've never had access to them.
In general, I wish to see BvsS because I think only MoS's character development flaws prevented it from possibly being the best comic film ever, especially due to it's peerless epic action sequences, and if the writers manage to rectify their mistakes (and considering they have Ben Affleck working them, it's probable they have) and capture a film with the epic action of MoS and the character development of the Nolan films, it will be the best comic film yet made.
I mean, seeing Hulk and Captain America and IM and such together again is great and all, but let's be real, Superman and Batman are the original and most iconic superheroes of all time, and MOS and TDK proved WB/DC can make superhero films that transcend the mere tropes of the genre, in terms of action and character respectively. Seeing the best traits of TDK and MOS combined, not to mention just in general seeing Bats and Supes meet up, and anticipation to see how Ben Affleck handles the Batman role (I am optimistic) makes that a more anticipated film for me than AoU. Don't get me wrong, I definitely want to see AoU and it will undoubtedly have great action and character, but I doubt it will match the quality of MOS or TDK, which both have due to their distinctive pseudo-realistic take, which make them more of epic films than mere superhero films because they accurately address the scale of what is being dealt with. If they can work that magic for DoJ, it will undoubtedly be a better film.
Originally posted by Lestov16
In general, I wish to see BvsS because I think only MoS's character development flaws prevented it from possibly being the best comic film ever, especially due to it's peerless epic action sequences, and if the writers manage to rectify their mistakes (and considering they have Ben Affleck working them, it's probable they have) and capture a film with the epic action of MoS and the character development of the Nolan films, it will be the best comic film yet made.
IMO , the action in MOS was ridiculously over top, cartoonish and out of place considering the tone of the movie they were constantly shoving down our throats the first 2/3's of the movie.
i mean look at this small clip. To me it looks DBZ'ish as fuq. And also lol @ the window exploding when superman crashes into it.
http://webmshare.com/play/zVK56
Even the serious elements of MOS can be torn apart to showcase the movies many flaws in this area as well.
It just bothers me the way people praise the over the top action in this suppose serious, "realistic" take on superman.
You know how stupid it would look if in MCU ,the Hulk would crack the earth to pieces like he was in the comics just by his footsteps.
Also DC/WB is trying to make every movie like Nolan batman. WHY? Batman is his own character. Why make everyone like batman and also their movies have a "nolan batman tone"?
Its also hard to have character development when they are trying to rush a justice league movie to compete with marvel. Also mistakenly thinking bigger "POWAH" and explosions = better.
Even Batmans character in the Nolan movies suffered and took a back seat to the villains. All the screen time the villains got in the nolan trilogy made batman into a side character.
I fail to see how combining those things you mentioned would = the best comicbook movie ever made.
Originally posted by Inhuman
IMO , the action in MOS was ridiculously over top, cartoonish and out of place considering the tone of the movie they were constantly shoving down our throats the first 2/3's of the movie.i mean look at this small clip. To me it looks DBZ'ish as fuq. And also lol @ the window exploding when superman crashes into it.
http://webmshare.com/play/zVK56
Even the serious elements of MOS can be torn apart to showcase the movies many flaws in this area as well.
It just bothers me the way people praise the over the top action in this suppose serious, "realistic" take on superman.
You know how stupid it would look if in MCU ,the Hulk would crack the earth to pieces like he was in the comics just by his footsteps.
Also DC/WB is trying to make every movie like Nolan batman. WHY? Batman is his own character. Why make everyone like batman and also their movies have a "nolan batman tone"?
Its also hard to have character development when they are trying to rush a justice league movie to compete with marvel. Also mistakenly thinking bigger "POWAH" and explosions = better.
Even Batmans character in the Nolan movies suffered and took a back seat to the villains. All the screen time the villains got in the nolan trilogy made batman into a side character.
I fail to see how combining those things you mentioned would = the best comicbook movie ever made.
MoS had is flaws, but damn you have been ranting about how bad you think it was for almost 2 years now..we get it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
So you wanted them to tone down Superman even more from the comics?
If that means we dont get an invincible god that receives no damage and can punch planets in half then , Yes i want them to tone Supes down. It would make a more interesting, relateable character that people could actually sympathize with.
The problem lies in something Snyder said a while back. He said something along the lines of "If you think that final fight in MOS was big, you aint seen nothing yet"
So we are going to get even more over the top fights featuring invincible gods, while pushing this dark , serious movie in our faces.
Well i hope it turns out better than MOS, and i don't mean bigger explosions and more powah.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
MoS had is flaws, but damn you have been ranting about how bad you think it was for almost 2 years now..we get it.
i just comment when people say things like "the best action in any movie" and "the best comicbook movie ever" etc.
Same if someone said "Ironman 3 is the best MCU movie"
Originally posted by Inhuman
If that means we dont get an invincible god that receives no damage and can punch planets in half then , Yes i want them to tone Supes down. It would make a more interesting, relateable character that people could actually sympathize with.The problem lies in something Snyder said a while back. He said something along the lines of "If you think that final fight in MOS was big, you aint seen nothing yet"
So we are going to get even more over the top fights featuring invincible gods, while pushing this dark , serious movie in our faces.
Well i hope it turns out better than MOS, and i don't mean bigger explosions and more powah.i just comment when people say things like "the best action in any movie" and "the best comicbook movie ever" etc.
Same if someone said "Ironman 3 is the best MCU movie"
Invincible is REALLY the wrong word to use to describe Superman in MOS, imo. Was he very durable? Yes, but we saw him in a weakened state more than once.
I honestly disagree with the assertion that he has to be weak/weaker to be relatable. There are plenty of traits that can make people relatable without having to mess with their powers. The comics have been doing it for years, we just need to see more of it in the movies imo.
And that's even taking in to account that in a lot of stories, Superman is portrayed as someone that is seen as being god-like, while desiring only to be like everyone else. And he still gets hurt.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Invincible is REALLY the wrong word to use to describe Superman in MOS, imo. Was he very durable? Yes, but we saw him in a weakened state more than once.I honestly disagree with the assertion that he has to be weak/weaker to be relatable. There are plenty of traits that can make people relatable without having to mess with their powers. The comics have been doing it for years, we just need to see more of it in the movies imo.
And that's even taking in to account that in a lot of stories, Superman is portrayed as someone that is seen as being god-like, while desiring only to be like everyone else. And he still gets hurt.
My point was that in no where in the final fight in MOS was I concerned about supermans well being.
Anyhow i see your point as well, but i think that most of the over the top writer wanking nonsense that goes on with supes should stay in the comics not on film.
Also, Are you happy the way Aquaman is being portrayed in the DCU? I mean from the little we seen so far?
Originally posted by Lestov16
In general, I wish to see BvsS because I think only MoS's character development flaws prevented it from possibly being the best comic film ever, especially due to it's peerless epic action sequences, and if the writers manage to rectify their mistakes (and considering they have Ben Affleck working them, it's probable they have) and capture a film with the epic action of MoS and the character development of the Nolan films, it will be the best comic film yet made.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely want to see AoU and it will undoubtedly have great action and character, but I doubt it will match the quality of MOS or TDK, which both have due to their distinctive pseudo-realistic take, which make them more of epic films than mere superhero films because they accurately address the scale of what is being dealt with. If they can work that magic for DoJ, it will undoubtedly be a better film.
That's some profound bullshit
Originally posted by Inhuman
My point was that in no where in the final fight in MOS was I concerned about supermans well being.
Anyhow i see your point as well, but i think that most of the over the top writer wanking nonsense that goes on with supes should stay in the comics not on film.Also, Are you happy the way Aquaman is being portrayed in the DCU? I mean from the little we seen so far?
While I did feel like Zod was a legitimate threat, I think that will change though, for you I mean, as we get more movies. He's only going to fight bigger and badder enemies.
lol, thing is, I don't think they've been OTT thus far. I mean, Chris Reeve was far worse imo.
Aquaman? No. They really seem like they're changing his origin, and with Zack Snyder saying he wants to make a "badass Aquaman", it's become painfully obvious to me that he probably hasn't read an Aquaman comic from the last twenty years. Aquaman is one of the few characters in the League dark enough already that adapting him would actually be easier than it was for Superman.
Again though, that's me.
Originally posted by Lestov16In general, I wish to see BvsS because I think only MoS's character development flaws prevented it from possibly being the best comic film ever, especially due to it's peerless epic action sequences, and if the writers manage to rectify their mistakes (and considering they have Ben Affleck working them, it's probable they have) and capture a film with the epic action of MoS and the character development of the Nolan films, it will be the best comic film yet made.
Tbh my biggest fear about BvS is that Zack Snyder isn't the right guy to do such a big movie.
Don't get me wrong I do love MOS and Watchmen, but MOS did have it's flaws and wasn't the perfect movie. BvS needs to be the perfect superhero movie like Avengers was (or close to it).
I'm even more worried that they're keeping him on board for Justice League as well. Because even Great Directors have a hard time doing 3 movies in a row of the same franchise. Look at what happened to Sam Ramai by Spider-Man 3. Or even Christopher Nolan with TDKR (not that TDKR was bad but definitely the worst of the Trilogy).
But one thing's guaranteed, Snyder will give us some Epic action sequences.
Originally posted by Eminence
To be clear, that was neither directed at anyone in particular nor intended to be sincere in its sentiment. Just rustling jimmies.
Sad thing is, there are people seriously making that statement, so it's hard to tell the difference sometimes.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Zack Snyder is tremendous at directing visually stunning action. Prob with MoS was mainly David Goyer, who's fortunately not writing the script for BvS.Goyer and his convoluted, dull plot and cheesy, lame dialogue. How the man still gets work is beyond me.
Powerful friends.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Zack Snyder is tremendous at directing visually stunning action. Prob with MoS was mainly David Goyer, who's fortunately not writing the script for BvS.Goyer and his convoluted, dull plot and cheesy, lame dialogue. How the man still gets work is beyond me.
Completely agree with this. It was Goyers writing that gave MOS it's flaws. Snyder's directing was amazing
Originally posted by Lestov16
Snyder's directing was amazing
Nah, Snyder made plenty of mistakes in his direction of MoS. He signed off on retarded plot decisions, he took the movie way too seriously resulting in a try hard, dull, hapless, dreary tone and the destruction porn got a tad boring.
Those mistakes could've been easily forgiven though if the story was emotionally engaging and if the characters were Interesting/unique.
I have faith in Snyder because of the incredible job he did with Watchmen.