Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Originally posted by Inhuman
All of that was pretty much covered in Watchmen

So? DC would be making a mistake by not examining this subject when it applies to one of their characters so well just because "Watchmen pretty much covered it". It would break the "realistic" setting that they set the universe in to ignore it.

Also there are some significant differences between Manhattan and Kal-El. Kal comes from the stars and lived among us in secret for decades until violent members of his own race forced him to come out of hiding. His motives, as I doubt he gives interviews, are unclear and thus take any and all forms born from the public's imagination ranging from savior to dictator.
Manhattan on the other hand is known to be an ordinary man who became a god-like being. This grounds and rationalizes his existence/potential purpose. It is also known that he is an ally of the American government. Thus, it is reasonable to assume he is treated with nervous acceptance at worst in America as the people believe the government has him in check, and feared abroad as America's greatest weapon.

TL;DR: The public narrative on Manhattan is more or less written by the beginning of Watchmen where as it is just beginning to be forged for the Man of Steel. This difference is what not only makes the subject worth examining in BvS, but gives us the opportunity to possibly go deeper than the Watchmen film did on the matter.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I hate on marvel movies as well. But you wouldn't know that because you don't come here to do damage control for marvel news.
And in not really hating, it's simple criticism.
I love star wars and the new trailer was good but I still criticized some things about it.
Don't care of its marvel or DC, if it's shitty I'll critisize it . If it's good I'll praise it. Simple.
Just like any film, or any comic.
Labeling me a blind follower of a company (just like you are); is dumb.
Just like Darth said at least marvel deserves the benifit of the doubt with their movies/universe. They are mostly above average and enjoyable. We will see if dc's universe achieves this as well.
I didn't really enjoy MOS too much so BvS has to really win me over for me to be "nice" to it. If it's good then I won't hide the fact it's good. On the other hand will you ever praise a Marvel movie?
All signs point to NO.

Though, every other movie from them aside from IM 1? Formula based cheesy trash. GOTG was shit, Thor 2 was shit, IM 2&3 were shit. Avengers was good for first time but it's pretty much unwatchable now with its cheesiness.

Transformers and FF 7 are no different than a marvel movie these days. All the same loud, unrealistic, cheesy movies with a set formula.

Not quite sure how excited I am for this movie.

well, that pretty much means you're not excited.

Originally posted by abhilegend
For the record, I don't actually prefer any company in these terms. I can objectively say Cap 2 was better than MOS because it was.

Though, every other movie from them aside from IM 1? Formula based cheesy trash. GOTG was shit, Thor 2 was shit, IM 2&3 were shit. Avengers was good for first time but it's pretty much unwatchable now with its cheesiness.

Transformers and FF 7 are no different than a marvel movie these days.

Newsflash: These are comic book movies. No matter how hard they try to cover that up with trying to make some artsy, dark, adult themed film.
Even the most dark comic stories had one liners and some lighthearted moments in them.
If you think the marvel movies are cheesy and campy that's fine, but at least that how the source material is and the movies are being true to that.
Dont knock them on that because you dont enjoy "fun" that is on par with the comics. Granted not all were great. But most were enjoyable and well made.
On the other hand even the darkest DC stories are not 100% only catered to ultra mature adults like you think you are.

All the same loud, unrealistic, cheesy movies with a set formula.

also lol @ unrealistic 😂

I guess it's too bad MCU couldn't be more realistic, like the company making movies about an alien that gets superpowers from the sun. 🙄

Originally posted by Silent Master
I guess it's too bad MCU couldn't be more realistic, like the company making movies about an alien that gets superpowers from the sun. 🙄

I thought we had established how "realism" pertain's to DC's Universe.

Here is an example: In Marvel land the US government kindly asks Stark for his Iron Man weapon and he flippantly tells them "no". That is pretty much the end of it until Rhodie steals the Mark II on his own discretion and even then it is only one suit that doesn't get mass produced later on.

If Stark created Iron Man in this DC universe the president would send SEAL teams one through twenty to raid his house in the dead of night, steal his suits, and throw his ass in Guantanamo where he would be tortured into making more.

Which course of events do you think would be more likely to happen in our non-fictional universe?

Edit: You know what? Tony might actually get the courtesy of a Congressional hearing in DC's world, but you can bet your left kidney SEAL teams one through twenty would still be waiting right outside of congress in case he said no.

Originally posted by Impediment
The voice was robotic and synthetic.

I can only DREAM that the voice belongs to Metallo.

i thought the voice belonged to jennifer garner 😄

Originally posted by Impediment
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that is NOT Batman's voice.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
I thought we had established how "realism" pertain's to DC's Universe.

Here is an example: In Marvel land the US government kindly asks Stark for his Iron Man weapon and he flippantly tells them "no". That is pretty much the end of it until Rhodie steals the Mark II on his own discretion and even then it is only one suit that doesn't get mass produced later on.

If Stark created Iron Man in this DC universe the president would send SEAL teams one through twenty to raid his house in the dead of night, steal his suits, and throw his ass in Guantanamo where he would be tortured into making more.

Which course of events do you think would be more likely to happen in our non-fictional universe?

Edit: You know what? Tony might actually get the courtesy of a Congressional hearing in DC's world, but you can bet your left kidney SEAL teams one through twenty would still be waiting right outside of congress in case he said no.

Realistically Tony is one of the richest and well known people in the world, sending SEAL teams to arrest him and steal his tech would create a shitstorm of epic proportions. it would be like Obama sending the SEALs to arrest Bill Gates and take over Microsoft...there would be calls for his impeachment and riots within hours.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Screw destruction, they're thrusting balls-deep into a subject Marvel hasn't even started constructing their ten-foot pole to touch: The social/religious impact a being like this would have on the world. The MCU has a literal mythological god walking on Earth yet we have no hint he is perceived any differently than Captain America, Iron Man, or even Black friggin' Widow. At WB they have people outright worshiping Superman as a savior from beyond the stars, and fear mongering/vilifying him as some kind of conqueror or devil.

This is the "realism" Snyder and the producers were talking about. Not about the characters and their abilities themselves but how the world around them behaves. I love half the MCU's films but honestly it is fantasyland compared to The Man of Steel universe.

👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
Realistically Tony is one of the richest and well known people in the world, sending SEAL teams to arrest him and steal his tech would create a shitstorm of epic proportions. it would be like Obama sending the SEALs to arrest Bill Gates and take over Microsoft...there would be calls for his impeachment and riots within hours.

Didn't Rodes say in IM2 that they were about to send the army in and take the suits?

Don't remember. I was just pointing out that neither universe is realistic.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Realistically Tony is one of the richest and well known people in the world, sending SEAL teams to arrest him and steal his tech would create a shitstorm of epic proportions. it would be like Obama sending the SEALs to arrest Bill Gates and take over Microsoft...there would be calls for his impeachment and riots within hours.

That's why I said he might get the hearing, out of respect for his status. However, you've got to be kidding if you think the US government is going to let the best non-nuclear weapon in the world remain solely in the control of a civilian, they don't care how rich he is. And you act as though it would be publicized that he was kidnapped. They would probably put out a story that he was taken into protective custody for a myriad of reasons.

Do you know that the military reviews all technology patents filed in this country to see if it is something they deem a threat to national security? They can force you to keep the patent secret and not develop your invention or you can sell it to them.

There is no way in hell they would stop until they got their hands on those suits.

There is also no way in the real world that doing so wouldn't end up with riots and calls for impeachment.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There is also no way in the real world that doing so wouldn't end up with riots and calls for impeachment.

Presidents do stuff all the time that should get them impeached. Its only happened what, three times though? Obama would give a speech citing "national security" and people would soon be distracted by the next plane crash. Plus it's a pretty easy sell. Just say there was a plot to recapture Tony by the same terrorists that grabbed him last time or a rival government, and that it was for his protection. You act as though they would flaunt the fact that they violated his civil liberties and currently have his testicles hooked up to a car battery. They aren't that stupid.

Kidnapping one of the richest people in the world and stealing there tech isn't going to be forgotten because of a plane crash. and don't kid yourself the second he disappeared there would be an army of reporters, not to mention his lawyers demanding to speak with him so the "protective custody" argument isn't going to fly with most people for more than a couple days at best.

Originally posted by marwash22
well, that pretty much means you're not excited.

Originally posted by Inhuman

Don't care of its marvel or DC, if it's shitty I'll critisize it . If it's good I'll praise it. Simple.

Good man 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Hopefully Batman will have some kind of BatBot(maybe powered by Kryptonite as well) so he can have a punch up with Supes at some point.

Hey I said this back on page 2 in 2013. WB should just hire me.