Originally posted by Mindset
He had been Batman for years before the end of TDK iirc.
Really? How's that go?
End of Batman Begins he's been Batman for what? A week? Two? He's handed a joker card at the films climax.
YEARS later Joker shows up again? "Oh yeah like that card you have me YEARS ago I forgot about that guy."
Is that how that worked?
Originally posted by QuincyYes, actually.
Really? How's that go?End of Batman Begins he's been Batman for what? A week? Two? He's handed a joker card at the films climax.
YEARS later Joker shows up again? "Oh yeah like that card you have me YEARS ago I forgot about that guy."
Is that how that worked?
Originally posted by Quincy
TDK was ambitious in the sense of "let's take this seriously and make it earnest."Where it FAILED in said ambition is taking a Batman story and characters and removing all of the fantastic elements of the DCU.
You want to discuss characterization, let's discuss the lack of characterization in those flicks. Bane? Robin Blake? How about Batman himself? The dude was Batman for what, two months before he retired for 8 years? Selina Kyle? Come on, man.
If we want to read into the shallow-ness of characterization brough forth by a two minute trailer, you're reading too much into a TEASER and barely looking into MoS for that. We can criticize a lot of the other superhero flicks out there for lack of depth in characters. Yes, even Marvel
I suppose I can agree that the Nolan movies proved that Batman is inherently unrealistic and could never happen in real life. As if we didn't already know that. 😛
Bane had a good backstory and was plenty deep for a supervillain. Hell, I think he's a big improvement over comic book Bane aside from the plot(Admittedly, the way he got Batman in Knightfall was thought out better than in Rises).
Blake was fine. He's probably one of the best parts of that movie as far as the characterization is concerned, even if he's ultimately superfluous to the plot.
Nah, bro. He was Batman for over a year. He didn't have to be Batman anymore because of the Dent Act.
I have some problems with Baleman's characterization, like how he's not as driven or as intelligent as Batman is usually portrayed, but he isn't NEARLY as stupid or reckless as the internet likes to portray him.
The DoJ teaser doesn't seem like it has learned anything or upon upon anything from MoS, which IS a shallow movie imo.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Well, I'm basing my opinions on what I thought of Man of Steel. I don't see any reason as to why DoJ will be any different. Believe me, I WANT to like this film, but the trailer doesn't give me any reason to.
From the sounds of there really wasn't anything the trailer could have. That's fine I guess, but don't blame the trailer blame MoS.
Originally posted by ares834
From the sounds of there really wasn't anything the trailer could have. That's fine I guess, but don't blame the trailer blame MoS.
Who knows? I might be surprised and end up liking the movie. It's just that it has a lot of strikes against it going in. The one thing I did like about the teaser was just how freaking intense Batfleck looked when Alfred was talking to him. A mentally unhinged, Dark Knight Returns-esque version of the character sounds like it might work. Hell, I would pay for a ticket if he says "I'm the goddamned Batman" at least once. 😄
Originally posted by Quincy
So Batman was Batman for a year before he quits for 8...?
Yeah, but he got a lot of shit done in one year. He made organized crime so unsafe to do in Gotham that the mafia was relying on Scarecrow's compound to sell instead of regular drugs, which is why they had to hire The Joker to begin with.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yeah, but he got a lot of shit done in one year. He made organized crime so unsafe to do in Gotham that the mafia was relying on Scarecrow's compound to sell instead of regular drugs, which is why they had to hire The Joker to begin with.
There was no mafia, sure.
There's always crime to stop and people to help. Batman don't quit. That's Batman 101.
Unless he's like 70 or 80. And even then he gets in the suit
Originally posted by Mindset
How was movie Bane better than comic Bane?
Better dialogue. Movie Bane was very quotable. Comic Bane? Not so much.
I like his costume better. It's more striking and memorable versus some big guy(For you) in a luchador mask.
I happen to like his f.ucked up voice.
His relationship with Talia was interesting. Talia wasn't handled well in the film, but the implications of their relationship are interesting to me, which is why it's so frustrating that the internet misinterpreted it. Bane wasn't her subordinate. If anything, they're more like a supervillain Bonnie & Clyde.
Movie Bane seems to have more complex motivations for what he does, even if a lot of it is only implied. Comic Bane broke Batman's broke for no real reason besides "I want to beat up the biggest guy in the prison yard).
Originally posted by Quincy
There was no mafia, sure.There's always crime to stop and people to help. Batman don't quit. That's Batman 101.
Unless he's like 70 or 80. And even then he gets in the suit
Yeah, I can agree with that. If they had thrown in a couple of scenes or at least a reference to Bruce stopping a common mugging or a rape or something, I think would have made for a better trilogy. Still, who's to say he didn't do it off camera?
As for his retirement, he made it clear in TDK that he wasn't planning to be Batman forever. He wanted Dent to take over, and once he became Two-Face, his plans fell through, hence the Dent Act.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Say what you will for plot holes, but the TDK trilogy were ambitious films, and they brought a lot of goodwill to comic book movies.
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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Well, I'm basing my opinions on what I thought of Man of Steel.
And here's the main problem the DCCU is going to face now.
Because MOS had a very mixed reaction, with many people outright hating it, WB are doing themselves no favors whatsoever by making this not only a direct sequel to MOS (with no build up movies in the middle), but also by bringing Snyder back to direct it.
Then they're doing themselves even less favors by bringing Snyder back AGAIN for Justice League.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERAnd here's the main problem the DCCU is going to face now.
Because MOS had a very mixed reaction, with many people outright hating it, WB are doing themselves no favors whatsoever by making this not only a direct sequel to MOS (with no build up movies in the middle), but also by bringing Snyder back to direct it.
Then they're doing themselves even less favors by bringing Snyder back AGAIN for Justice League.
Snyder is actually a really good director in terms of visuals. The dark tone DC is going for can be perfectly captured by Snyder's visuals and directing style. He's not the best at narrative, character or plot though, which is why the scripts gotta be damn good.
Rewatching the not crappy version of the BvS trailer, I take back my criticisms. The trailer kicks ass. I didn't hear the line "do you bleed" the first time around.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
👆And here's the main problem the DCCU is going to face now.
Because MOS had a very mixed reaction, with many people outright hating it
By any objective and numerical measure, when speaking about a general audience MoS stacks up with the same amount of approval from any Thor movie, the first Cap movie and IM2 and IM3.
The only reason why MoS seems different is because of bandwagon Marvel fanboys. Trying to cater to these people in the slim hopes that they shut up is a pointless endeavor. Giving them credibility is a joke.
Originally posted by Based
By any objective and numerical measure, when speaking about a general audience MoS stacks up with the same amount of approval from any Thor movie, the first Cap movie and IM2 and IM3.
Yes but Marvel has gained our trust with movies which were pretty Universally loved- IM1,Thor1, Avengers, Cap2 and GOTG. And after this week probably Avengers 2 as well.
Believe you me though, if IM2 was the only Marvel movie and then Avengers was coming right after it with the same Director, then you would be getting the same (probably more) negativity towards it.
Btw I personally really enjoyed MOS. Definitely more so than IM2, IM3 and Thor2.
But I honestly don't want Snyder to be the one to do all the biggest movies in the DCCU. He's done some enjoyable superhero films but he's clearly no Whedon, Nolan or Russo with what he's delivered so far.
Originally posted by Based
By any objective and numerical measure, when speaking about a general audience MoS stacks up with the same amount of approval from any Thor movie, the first Cap movie and IM2 and IM3.The only reason why MoS seems different is because of bandwagon Marvel fanboys. Trying to cater to these people in the slim hopes that they shut up is a pointless endeavor. Giving them credibility is a joke.
Yeah, MOS is definitely more loved than hated. When AMC did their March Madness Tournament, MOS defeated The Dark Knight Rises pretty easily. Made it to the final four, IIRC. Not only that, but it outsold IM 3 in DVD sales to boot. Everyone who I know that hates Superman in general actually like this depiction of Superman from this movie.
Sorry, it was close, but MOS still won.