Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

TDK had more factors going in it than just Heath's death. For one, Joker is extremely popular, too. Probably the most popular comic book villain on the big screen. The posters at Boxoffice forums are now predicting north of 150 M OW for Suicide Squad now, which is insane. If those predictions hold up, Suicide Squad will take the August record from Guardians of the Galaxy.

Second, Heath did contribute to the hype, but TDK generally had GREAT WOM that carried it's legs. TDK still holds the admissions record for number of ticks sold, even defeating The Avengers.

Not only was the WOM out of this world, but it was also backed by one of the best marketing campaigns of any film to date.

Pointing to Heath as the only reason that TDK made a billion is wrong.

Japanese poster tagline: Match/Face-off of the century

Lol

Is it me or did they Photoshop Supes to look Asian?

Originally posted by Bentley
This Superman hater...

Other than you hating on the character I agree with most of what you said ahah

Care to elaborate?

I'm not going to pretend I'm a huge Lois fan, but she just felt like she was just kind of "there" in MoS, to me. She needs to be more involved, like Margot Kidder and Teri Hatcher, and not just "oh I need to be saved" etc.

Originally posted by Zack M
TDK had more factors going in it than just Heath's death. For one, Joker is extremely popular, too. Probably the most popular comic book villain on the big screen. The posters at Boxoffice forums are now predicting north of 150 M OW for Suicide Squad now, which is insane. If those predictions hold up, Suicide Squad will take the August record from Guardians of the Galaxy.

Second, Heath did contribute to the hype, but TDK generally had GREAT WOM that carried it's legs. TDK still holds the admissions record for number of ticks sold, even defeating The Avengers.

Not only was the WOM out of this world, but it was also backed by one of the best marketing campaigns of any film to date.

Pointing to Heath as the only reason that TDK made a billion is wrong.

of course, but it helped.

Originally posted by Zack M
but TDK generally had GREAT WOM that carried it's legs.

Yep, as did Batman Begins, which also contributed to TDK's mega success. But Heath's death was also a factor, but certainly not the only reason as some people like to make out.

People tend to forget Heath died after making TDK & midway through his next project working with Terry Gilliam.

Yep The " Imagnarium of Dr. Parnassus" was actually Heath Ledgers last film and that bombed at the box office.

The hype with TDK wasn't just that Heath Died, but about how good he was in that role.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not going to pretend I'm a huge Lois fan, but she just felt like she was just kind of "there" in MoS, to me. She needs to be more involved, like Margot Kidder and Teri Hatcher, and not just "oh I need to be saved" etc.

You might not like her, but you get her better than many writers that are in love with the character.

Which is kind of sad 🙁

His death helped the film regardless of what people thought.

Originally posted by Bentley
You might not like her, but you get her better than many writers that are in love with the character.

Which is kind of sad 🙁

lol, thanks.

TBH, there have been writers where I've liked her. They just seem to be the ones that aren't as obsessed with her as others are. If they wrote her as more of a well rounded woman, I'd enjoy her more.

Guys like Loeb and Carey (or is it Casey, I always mix up those two), wrote her pretty well back in the day, I thought.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
People tend to forget Heath died after making TDK & midway through his next project working with Terry Gilliam.

A matter of timing, Heath Ledger died mere months BEFORE TDK came out.

During the final phases before release.

His last film was released posthumously, well over a year after his death, in fact almost 2 years after in the states.

Even still, its not like his last film was a bomb, it was a small budget movie which more than doubled it.

People talk about Batman as if he is this automatic billion seller now, but I don't buy that at all. He is consistently extremely under 1 billion, hell he is consistently extremely under even half a billion, there is a good chance that TDK ad TDKR will prove to be outliers.

Batman Begins had great word of mouth, and it still did noticeably under 400 million. Hell, it didn't even make 375--even the first Michael Keaton Batman movie just barely cracked 400 million.

There is no single other factor that stands out for the 2nd Noland movie to suddenly almost triple the first movie's take in. The Joker being included is no reason either, since fans of his are most likely going to be fans of Batman in the first place, so he sells to the same crowd.

I wager that a great chunk of Batman's fanbase comes from Christopher Nolan's representation of the character, specifically starting from TDK, and they don't know anything else.

This Batman doesn't have the goodwill that Bale has generated, this Batman doesn't have the goodwill that Nolan has generated either, neither of those names are attached to this movie. This is a fresh Batman that a lot of people still aren't sure about, whereas people responded positively from day one to Bale's casting choice.

Again, don't be surprised if this movie makes less than either TDK or TDR, or barely equals them, and it will be because of the hype of seeing these two on screen for the first time together.

It won't be due to Batman alone, as Batman's value might have gotten a temporary, artificial boost through the Nolanverse, a boost that may no longer have a great effect.

Again, those movies might prove to be outliers, and Batman's true value might be less than what they made them seem to be.

If this was still Baleman though, with all his momentum (canon, character developlment, cast etc.) from his three movies carrying over, then absolutely, this would be a sure fire billion+ with no question at all. I would probably rate it as having a great shot of outdoing Avengers 1 or 2. Baleman was a beast.

Adjust the Keaton era films and you get how huge they really were.

They were monsters in their day.

Batman 1989 adjusts to $547 million domestic.

I mean A New Hope did $775 WW,but it adjusts to $1.5 billion domestic alone.

Batman has been a consistent performer at the box office.

And they were also dealing with the fact that a lot of people were still used to the "Adam West" style of Batman.

Like some people now who look at Man of Steel and wonder why he isn't more like Chris Reeve.

Batman Forever and Batman Returns were both bigger hits than GOTG domestic in their day.

Not only that but Batman films broke the opening record three times and then a fourth time with TDK. More than any franchise in Hollywood.

Edit: GOTG is actually ahead of Batman Returns. $358 million for Guardians and $342 million for BR.

Originally posted by playa1258
Batman Forever and Batman Returns were both bigger hits than GOTG domestic in their day.

Not only that but Batman films broke the opening record three times and then a fourth time with TDK. More than any franchise in Hollywood.

It's going to open huge no question. After that it depends on how good it actually is that will determine how much it makes.

Originally posted by playa1258
It's going to open huge no question. After that it depends on how good it actually is that will determine how much it makes.

Let the film sink or swim on its own.

Avengers was great, AOU was a let down.

Judge each film individually.

Originally posted by playa1258
Let the film sink or swim on its own.

Avengers was great, AOU was a let down.

Judge each film individually.

Same here.