Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman doesn't owe the world anything though. The entire point of the character is that he helps people because he can, not because his parents/uncle were shot in some alley and he wants to do right by them.

I'm not saying it was delivered well, but the point she made is pretty in line with Ma Kent, I think.

I know what you're saying and I agree but bVs didn't do anything to convey anything about supermans character. The movie revolved around how the world was accepting superman but we never got to hear superman speak or even hint towards his personal views. In fact we didn't really get to hear him speak at all. The only dialogue superman had was poorly written one liners that were completely out of character and had nothing to do with the story.

I know this was supposed to be a more superman centric movie but it was totally a batman movie. I really don't want to get lost in criticizing this movie because even though I found it somewhat enjoyable it's an AWFUL movie and the filmmakers completely dropped the ball on supermans character. But hey at least we got to see batman shoot people in the face.

^ 👆 good point

Originally posted by Firefly218
Going forward DC better give audiences an actual reason to care about superman because as of now he's completely unrelatable and seems to have no compelling purpose.

I think I actually began to actively dislike Superman and his earth fam when Martha Kent says "save the world or don't, you owe it nothing" and then Clark nods in agreement... That's not what the f uck superman is supposed to be about

I think it's pretty clear that superman is going to become a villain in some way. That could be interesting but since we've never got to see him as a good guy kind of sabatoges the dynamic of seeing him become a villain

Originally posted by Firefly218
The fact that his mother was encouraging him to not save the world is ridiculous imo. The Kent family is supposed to instill in Clark the qualities that he should use his unique abilities and powers to help the world and be a brightness and to embrace humanity. Not to internalize his uniqueness and hide his powers or use them only if he feels like it.

The Kent family more than anything cares about their son. You can find tons of examples of them worrying about Clark when he says he wants to be a superhero, and not being sure he should.

The Kents aren't superheroes. They don't feel responsible for the outside world. They only care about their son. Sure, they're proud of him when he does his thing, but right from the start they care more about his wellbeing than anything else.

They raised him to be a good person. It's because of how they raised him that he wants to save people, not because they're telling him to go out and do it.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I know what you're saying and I agree but bVs didn't do anything to convey anything about supermans character. The movie revolved around how the world was accepting superman but we never got to hear superman speak or even hint towards his personal views. In fact we didn't really get to hear him speak at all. The only dialogue superman had was poorly written one liners that were completely out of character and had nothing to do with the story.

I know this was supposed to be a more superman centric movie but it was totally a batman movie. I really don't want to get lost in criticizing this movie because even though I found it somewhat enjoyable it's an AWFUL movie and the filmmakers completely dropped the ball on supermans character. But hey at least we got to see batman shoot people in the face.

Aye, it wasn't Superman centric at all.

The movie failed to show why everyone loved Superman so much.

I guess we're supposed to assume he has since all these heroic deeds, but we never see them.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The fact that his mother was encouraging him to not save the world is ridiculous imo. The Kent family is supposed to instill in Clark the qualities that he should use his unique abilities and powers to help the world and be a brightness and to embrace humanity. Not to internalize his uniqueness and hide his powers or use them only if he feels like it.

You still dont get it. Im glad PR straighten you out though on the simple facts that basically anyone who knows anything about superman should know.

Originally posted by Mindset
The movie failed to show why everyone loved Superman so much.

I guess we're supposed to assume he has since all these heroic deeds, but we never see them.

Aye. Superman didn't have his "i saved the world and now everybody loves me" moment that's been in pretty much every re-telling of his origin story.

If they're trying to make DD that, then they ****ed up huge because they missed the entire point of that whole story.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Kent family more than anything cares about their son. You can find tons of examples of them worrying about Clark when he says he wants to be a superhero, and not being sure he should.

The Kents aren't superheroes. They don't feel responsible for the outside world. They only care about their son. Sure, they're proud of him when he does his thing, but right from the start they care more about his wellbeing than anything else.

They raised him to be a good person. It's because of how they raised him that he wants to save people, not because they're telling him to go out and do it.

Aye, it wasn't Superman centric at all.

Well said👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Aye. Superman didn't have his "i saved the world and now everybody loves me" moment that's been in pretty much every re-telling of his origin story.

If they're trying to make DD that, then they ****ed up huge because they missed the entire point of that whole story.

Instead we only see how much the world distrusts him aside from like 30 Mexicans.

Well, shit I saw DoJ again this morning with my girlfriend and I actually really liked it the second time......shrug sorry you guys didn't like it.

As far as the movie didn't do much for superman, It never will guys. No high hearld god like character will carry a movie by him or herself. I think characters like batman and iron man do so well because people can relate to the characters. everyone that I know that went to see this movie loved ben as batman but not a one person even mentioned henry and its sad. henery makes a good superman, but again its superman. even Gal, Gadot got some attention in the movie. No one even gave a crap about luthor,doomsday or superman.

Originally posted by tkitna
Spiderman 2 is my favorite also. I thought I was the only one.

I don't accept your apology.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
No, there are plent of people who agree. Best fight scenes of any super hero movie to this day, and great plot centered around the perfect Doc Ock representation make it the GOAT. Its really good for the same reasons TDK is. Awesome villain, awesome action, awesome story. 👆

Originally posted by Mindset
And since this is a retelling they should have done it again.

Instead we only see how much the world distrusts him aside from like 30 Mexicans.

Basically. It was stupid.

Originally posted by zeel
Well, shit I saw DoJ again this morning with my girlfriend and I actually really liked it the second time......shrug sorry you guys didn't like it.

I like parts of it, tbh. I just dislike other parts.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Well said👆

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Originally posted by zeel
Well, shit I saw DoJ again this morning with my girlfriend and I actually really liked it the second time......shrug sorry you guys didn't like it.

I've heard from a few people now they enjoyed it a lot more on a second viewing. Including Kevin Smith 😈

Originally posted by Mindset
The movie failed to show why everyone loved Superman so much.

I kind of disagree with this somewhat. They showed how he saved many people through disasters like the flood and the burning building, etc,,,. People surrounded him in gratitude and admiration. Even with the destruction and lost lives, the people realized he pretty much saved the planet from the world engine and Zod. Heck they made a statue of him in honor of it. I didn't see any problem with how they portrayed the peoples response to the character.

Darth Thor loves this film.

Originally posted by tkitna
I kind of disagree with this somewhat. They showed how he saved many people through disasters like the flood and the burning building, etc,,,. People surrounded him in gratitude and admiration. Even with the destruction and lost lives, the people realized he pretty much saved the planet from the world engine and Zod. Heck they made a statue of him in honor of it. I didn't see any problem with how they portrayed the peoples response to the character.

The problem is that before DOS, Superman is almost universally loved. It's not split down the middle. The entire world loves him to bits. It's why DOS works as a story, because it flips a lot of things on their head, and takes direct examples of what sets Superman apart and turns them on their head.

Originally posted by tkitna
I kind of disagree with this somewhat. They showed how he saved many people through disasters like the flood and the burning building, etc,,,. People surrounded him in gratitude and admiration. Even with the destruction and lost lives, the people realized he pretty much saved the planet from the world engine and Zod. Heck they made a statue of him in honor of it. I didn't see any problem with how they portrayed the peoples response to the character.

Originally posted by Mindset
They didn't use those scenes to show why people loved him, they used those scenes to show why people were afraid of him.

They were used for both and did so pretty clearly. The film had some issues, but that wasn't one of them.