Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It was a poor movie by critics standards.

1. Poor editing where it jumped from scene to scene
2.Lex hates Superman because???
3. Lex creates a destructive force in Doomsday to kill Superman but then what will he do with Doomsday afterwards??
4. Batman wants to kill Superman because??? Is he going to kill Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash too since they have the power to destroy the planet???
5. How come words greatest detective didn't know Superman had a family? What kind of detective doesn't does proper research?
6. Why was Lex a clown when his name isn't Joker?
7. Why did Superman not see those dead terrorist and why did Superman kill the warlord in cold blood?
8. Both heroes are killers and vigilanties, why are they such hypocrites when it comes to the others heroism??
9. Superman was a gritty downer
10. Poor directing

^ BvS is worse than Daredevil and Thor 2 for sure

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Why would Lex try to blow up the court? I mean it was his corp's technology, he was the only one who went absent during the trial, he bailed out that guy, the bomb was triggered outside, shouldn't the police and Batman have figured out of him easily?

Yes, they should have, but they don't because the writers took too many breaks to smoke weed.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It was a poor movie by critics standards.

1. Poor editing where it jumped from scene to scene
2.Lex hates Superman because???
3. Lex creates a destructive force in Doomsday to kill Superman but then what will he do with Doomsday afterwards??
4. Batman wants to kill Superman because??? Is he going to kill Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash too since they have the power to destroy the planet???
5. How come words greatest detective didn't know Superman had a family? What kind of detective doesn't does proper research?
6. Why was Lex a clown when his name isn't Joker?
7. Why did Superman not see those dead terrorist and why did Superman kill the warlord in cold blood?
8. Both heroes are killers and vigilanties, why are they such hypocrites when it comes to the others heroism??
9. Superman was a gritty downer
10. Bad story
11. Bad directjng

12. bad cgi

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It was a poor movie by critics standards.

1. Poor editing where it jumped from scene to scene
2.Lex hates Superman because???
3. Lex creates a destructive force in Doomsday to kill Superman but then what will he do with Doomsday afterwards??
4. Batman wants to kill Superman because??? Is he going to kill Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash too since they have the power to destroy the planet???
5. How come words greatest detective didn't know Superman had a family? What kind of detective doesn't does proper research?
6. Why was Lex a clown when his name isn't Joker?
7. Why did Superman not see those dead terrorist and why did Superman kill the warlord in cold blood?
8. Both heroes are killers and vigilanties, why are they such hypocrites when it comes to the others heroism??
9. Superman was a gritty downer
10. Bad story
11. Bad directjng

4. Superman is more powerful than any of them, and had in fact (albeit unintentionally) caused widespread destruction before that directly affected Bruce Wayne.
6. He wasn't Lex either.
7. He did see them, but they were already dead. Superman didn't kill the Warlord. Snyder himself said Superman doesn't kill ever since killing Zod.
8. Because they don't agree with each other's methods and never have.
10. Story isn't the same as script. The basic outline is sound, imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
4. Superman is more powerful than any of them, and had in fact (albeit unintentionally) caused widespread destruction before that directly affected Bruce Wayne.
6. He wasn't Lex either.
7. He did see them, but they were already dead. Superman didn't kill the Warlord. Snyder himself said Superman doesn't kill ever since killing Zod.
8. Because they don't agree with each other's methods and never have.
10. Story isn't the same as script. The basic outline is sound, imo.

4. How does he even know how powerful any of them are or that they're not Kryptonians themselves. He did little research on Superman and the Kryptonians. All he knows is based on Lex Corp research that could very inaccurrate as to who these beings are. He decides to kill a man who could very well be an ally of Superman. Then the Earth would be destroy in the quest for vegeance. He never thought his plan out. Ironically, he could be killing the guy powerful enough go defend Earth from internal and external threat.

7. He didn't investigate later on to find out who killed them? Then gets framed for it? A Careless and sloppy Superman. He flew that Warlord through the wall so of course the guy is going to die.

8. Superman flew a man through a wall and killed him. He is a hypocrite. Batman runs criminals over with his batmibile and causes scores of collateral damage. He's also a hypocrite.

9. Outline is there but it's the script that makes the story. Are we going to argue that the Civil War comic event was a good story because the outline was sound? Civil War sucked and had mixed reactions aswell.

Originally posted by Firefly218
^ BvS is worse than Daredevil and Thor 2 for sure

Phuck off.......Daredevil is a good movie with the director's cut.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
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4. How does he even know how powerful any of them are or that they're not Kryptonians themselves. He did little research on Superman and the Kryptonians. All he knows is based on Lex Corp research that could very inaccurrate as to who these beings are. He decides to kill a man who could very well be an ally of Superman. Then the Earth would be destroy in the quest for vegeance. He never thought his plan out. Ironically, he could be killing the guy powerful enough go defend Earth from internal and external threat.

7. He didn't investigate later on to find out who killed them? Then gets framed for it? A Careless and sloppy Superman. He flew that Warlord through the wall so of course the guy is going to die.

8. Superman flew a man through a wall and killed him. He is a hypocrite. Batman runs criminals over with his batmibile and causes scores of collateral damage. He's also a hypocrite.

9. Outline is there but it's the script that makes the story. Are we going to argue that the Civil War comic event was a good story because the outline was sound? Civil War sucked and had mixed reactions aswell.

He saw first-hand what Superman did in Metropolis. He has reason to fear Superman's wrath more than that of anyone else.

It was an African war-zone where deaths happen all the time. Superman only showed up to save Lois; he famously doesn't get involved in foreign politics.

Did it say during the movie that he'd killed him? I don't remember it saying so. And Snyder has said Superman has a no-kill policy after what happened with Zod.

Civil War was a perfectly decent series bar the ending, imo. But I digress. Yes, it was a bad screenplay/script.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He saw first-hand what Superman did in Metropolis. He has reason to fear Superman's wrath more than that of anyone else.

Without Superman, what would happen to them there?

Originally posted by -Pr-
He saw first-hand what Superman did in Metropolis. He has reason to fear Superman's wrath more than that of anyone else.

It was an African war-zone where deaths happen all the time. Superman only showed up to save Lois; he famously doesn't get involved in foreign politics.

Did it say during the movie that he'd killed him? I don't remember it saying so. And Snyder has said Superman has a no-kill policy after what happened with Zod.

Civil War was a perfectly decent series bar the ending, imo. But I digress. Yes, it was a bad screenplay/script.

He say Superman fight an army of Kryptonians including the world engine to save Earth. He does little research into the person before deciding to execute then guy, He did not bother to investigate and decides to become executioner. He only stops when he realizes Superman has a family and people who cares for him. Batman, world's greatest detective and mastermind behind Justice League, forgo investigation into his own accusations and decided to sentenced Superman to death based on a chance Superman was going to go rogue. He can viewers and critics not hate such a poorly written characterization of a beloved icon?

He flew a guy through what looks to be a cinderblock wall. He's not dead?? It needs to be spelled out that a mortal in flesh and bones dies when he gets push through a cinderblock wall by the man of steel?

Bad story or bad script same thing in the end. The story might sound great when pitched but the script is the execution of that story. Either way it was bad and a reason critics hate the movie,

Originally posted by Kazenji
Phuck off.......Daredevil is a good movie with the director's cut.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It was a poor movie by critics standards.

1. Poor editing where it jumped from scene to scene
2.Lex hates Superman because???
3. Lex creates a destructive force in Doomsday to kill Superman but then what will he do with Doomsday afterwards??
4. Batman wants to kill Superman because??? Is he going to kill Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash too since they have the power to destroy the planet???
5. How come words greatest detective didn't know Superman had a family? What kind of detective doesn't does proper research?
6. Why was Lex a clown when his name isn't Joker?
7. Why did Superman not see those dead terrorist and why did Superman kill the warlord in cold blood?
8. Both heroes are killers and vigilanties, why are they such hypocrites when it comes to the others heroism??
9. Superman was a gritty downer
10. Bad story
11. Bad directjng

Originally posted by Zack Fair
12. bad cgi

- Why was there a Superman Statue? Metropolis was in shambles because of all the destruction in MOS. It probably cost the city Millions if not trillions to fix everything. But you have a Superman statue that was built with tax payers money.

-Superman did kill that guy not by just ramming him through a concrete wall but by also tackling him with his super speed.

-The whole Scooty Mcnair (wheelchair guy) story arc was pointless and added little to nothing to the the main story.

- Rushed elements that were cringe worthy. Matter of fact anything Justice League related was bad and unnecessary.

- How exactly does Lex's blood on Zods face = Doomsday?

-Final Fight was a bad CGI mess.

- The Superman montage was hamfisted in there to show how Superman saves lives, but it came off as silly and forced. Superman looked like he was angry and annoyed doing those "heroic" things in the clips.

Originally posted by Inhuman
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- Why was there a Superman Statue? Metropolis was in shambles because of all the destruction in MOS. It probably cost the city Millions if not trillions to fix everything. But you have a Superman statue that was built with tax payers money.

-Superman did kill that guy not by just ramming him through a concrete wall but by also tackling him with his super speed.

-The whole Scooty Mcnair (wheelchair guy) story arc was pointless and added little to nothing to the the main story.

- Rushed elements that were cringe worthy. Matter of fact anything Justice League related was bad and unnecessary.

- How exactly does Lex's blood on Zods face = Doomsday?

-Final Fight was a bad CGI mess.

- The Superman montage was hamfisted in there to show how Superman saves lives, but it came off as silly and forced. Superman looked like he was angry and annoyed doing those "heroic" things in the clips.

Superman kills terrorist with bullets for some reason. Hearing held with no investigation except testimony from some witness that Superman flew down and killed these people with bullets? Shouldn't it be the United Nations that holds this hearing? Then another terrorist blows up then Senate's hearing using his wheelchair. Nobody, including Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman, looks into these two odd incidents further. Batman decides to go ahead with his plan to kill Superman anyways.

With a story like this, how else did DC fans think critics would react?

Originally posted by Inhuman
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- Why was there a Superman Statue? Metropolis was in shambles because of all the destruction in MOS. It probably cost the city Millions if not trillions to fix everything. But you have a Superman statue that was built with tax payers money.

-Superman did kill that guy not by just ramming him through a concrete wall but by also tackling him with his super speed.

-The whole Scooty Mcnair (wheelchair guy) story arc was pointless and added little to nothing to the the main story.

- Rushed elements that were cringe worthy. Matter of fact anything Justice League related was bad and unnecessary.

- How exactly does Lex's blood on Zods face = Doomsday?

-Final Fight was a bad CGI mess.

- The Superman montage was hamfisted in there to show how Superman saves lives, but it came off as silly and forced. Superman looked like he was angry and annoyed doing those "heroic" things in the clips.

Why couldn't there be a statue? He did save the world against General Zod. I get that a shit load of people would be angry for the deaths and destruction, but that's what happens in war.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're saying that the writing or acting in Inception isn't objectively better than the writing/acting in mega shark vs giant octopus?

Well how would you measure that? Yes. All art is subjective.

But I guess that's what awards and oscars and critical acclaim are for. For people with supposed higher standards to place something like Inception in a different league to Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus. But it's still just their opinion.

Look I love the first Mortal Kombat. So just because it's a critical failure doesn't mean anybody can tell me I've got objectively bad taste for loving that film.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It's pretty goodwill and people willing to give it a chance because it is the first time these two shared the big screen. Even hardcore fans have been admitting this film is mediocre at best. One of my coworkers was very lenient and said it was good. I went to see it and thought it was bad. We both gave our opinion to a third coworker. He decided to go see for himself because he was a fan of the characters and came back with the conclusion that it was bad. There wasn't much of a story there.

Yes, critic drove away viewship, but the love and adoration for these characters who've know these characters for generations brought in audiences. How else does a movie that even fans admit have issues, terrible critical review, and an embargo placed reach 800 million at the box office? Iconic pop status and goodwill over the ages gave this movie a huge front load opening world wide. At this point, word of mouth and critics have punish this movie. Had word of mouth been good, this movie would have legs and fought off critics. I would agree that critics were wrong had this movie been good but it isn't. A BvS movie will make less than $900 million.

We've known since Superman Returns that these characters in and of themselves are no guarantee of massive box office. SR actually lost money. (Yes it was technically a flop).

And SR btw was critically acclaimed. Had the type of Superman many of the critics are asking for again since MOS. Even had a good box office multiplier domestically while it was running.

But the people really did speak for that one. They generally really weren't interested in the concept.

So with BvS it still is important to consider this Universe is only in its 2nd film, and this was a new Batman and Wonder Woman, which audiences will need to grow to like again.

I mean look at the Amazing Spider-Man. Also had decent reviews, was a reboot only after 5 years, and still performed massively under the last Spider-Nan trilogy (especially when adjusting for inflation).

Now was BvS epic? No. Could it have been better? Yes, definitely. But as far as I can tell many people who saw it still enjoyed it. It's certainly no flop or box office failure either despite fighting off exceptionally bad critical reviews. Actual comic book movie Trash like Spider-Man 3 never had to fight off such Awful reviews yet BvS does. Go figure.

I enjoyed BvS, for all its faults. But still, the film was too long; it didn't seem to have a consistent focus (is this a Batman movie? a Superman movie?); and mainly, I got the impression DC jammed too much into one flick in the effort to catch up with the MCU.

On the bright side, I liked the fight scenes and accompanying destruction; I thought both Batfleck and Wonderdot did good jobs; and I still love the whole (imho, gritty/realistic) theme of a noob Superman learning his way in a world that doesn't quite know what to make of him: godhero from the stars, or potential threat to *world* security? I luv that shik.

Oh, and Eisenberg as Lex? Seemed more Riddlerish to me; and moreso, in the big story arc, seemed to be a minor character, serving little more than herald for DS.

DC's got a lot of work to do, but I do believe the potential is there for some epic stuff.

Originally posted by Inhuman
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- Why was there a Superman Statue? Metropolis was in shambles because of all the destruction in MOS. It probably cost the city Millions if not trillions to fix everything. But you have a Superman statue that was built with tax payers money.

-Superman did kill that guy not by just ramming him through a concrete wall but by also tackling him with his super speed.

-The whole Scooty Mcnair (wheelchair guy) story arc was pointless and added little to nothing to the the main story.

- Rushed elements that were cringe worthy. Matter of fact anything Justice League related was bad and unnecessary.

- How exactly does Lex's blood on Zods face = Doomsday?

-Final Fight was a bad CGI mess.

- The Superman montage was hamfisted in there to show how Superman saves lives, but it came off as silly and forced. Superman looked like he was angry and annoyed doing those "heroic" things in the clips.

- What was that thing Doomsday was bursting out of
- Stupid AI who first says what Lex says is agaisnt the orders of Kryptonian council but works when Lex says they are dead. Also, Kryptonians have doomsday creature making machines?
- why is lois trying to get the kryptonite spear? Why can't bats do it? It would've been way faster?
-- Why didn't superman throw the spear at doomsday? And why attack from the front? The other two didn't have any problem attacking from behind
-- Why is the idiotic president not being crucified?
-- Why didn't the kryptonian ship sentries come out and kill luthor like they did to lois?
--- Why does doomsadys attacks push supeman and wondy back but can't even crack the rock behind which lois is hiding?
Such a silly movie

Originally posted by Darth Thor
We've known since Superman Returns that these characters in and of themselves are no guarantee of massive box office. SR actually lost money. (Yes it was technically a flop).

And SR btw was critically acclaimed. Had the type of Superman many of the critics are asking for again since MOS. Even had a good box office multiplier domestically while it was running.

But the people really did speak for that one. They generally really weren't interested in the concept.

So with BvS it still is important to consider this Universe is only in its 2nd film, and this was a new Batman and Wonder Woman, which audiences will need to grow to like again.

I mean look at the Amazing Spider-Man. Also had decent reviews, was a reboot only after 5 years, and still performed massively under the last Spider-Nan trilogy (especially when adjusting for inflation).

Now was BvS epic? No. Could it have been better? Yes, definitely. But as far as I can tell many people who saw it still enjoyed it. It's certainly no flop or box office failure either despite fighting off exceptionally bad critical reviews. Actual comic book movie Trash like Spider-Man 3 never had to fight off such Awful reviews yet BvS does. Go figure.

At this point they are 4 movies in and they still haven't done it right. Like you said, Superman Returns was a flop and even critics didn't rate it high. It's 76% is a fresh but it flopped at the box office. Green Lantern flopped hard and that was suppose to be the start of their new universe. The start of thier universe gets push to Man of Steel which performed well financially but had mixed reactions from critics and audiences. Now their 4th big, non-Nolan, superhero movie is this travesty. It's not a flop but it is pretty bad. People enjoying it does not say much about the film. It sucked heard but I also enjoyed it. I'm not going to see it again though. BvS was killed off by both audiences word of mouth and critics (another kind of word of mouth).

It's likely because spiderman 3 the characters had solid reasons behind their behavior. The movie was terrible no doubt. Each critic have their own opinions. They all didn't sit down and decide which movie gets what rotten tomato meter rating. Plus after seeing Nolan's Batman and memories of Christopher Reeve's Superman, they get Man of Collateral Damage and the Dark muderous Knight fighting it out for lazy reasons is a huge turn off. Critics hated Superman in man of steel; is it any wonder they would hate Batman when they see Batfleck murdering crinimals and running them over with his batmobile? This is a PG13 movie and they have to make recommendations with that in mine alway since children will be seeing it. Spiderman 3 sucked but they didn't tear down their characters' personalities for the movie. They was crammed and sucked but BvS suffered from a lot more than Spiderman 3.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
- What was that thing Doomsday was bursting out of
- Stupid AI who first says what Lex says is agaisnt the orders of Kryptonian council but works when Lex says they are dead. Also, Kryptonians have doomsday creature making machines?
- why is lois trying to get the kryptonite spear? Why can't bats do it? It would've been way faster?
-- Why didn't superman throw the spear at doomsday? And why attack from the front? The other two didn't have any problem attacking from behind
-- Why is the idiotic president not being crucified?
-- Why didn't the kryptonian ship sentries come out and kill luthor like they did to lois?
--- Why does doomsadys attacks push supeman and wondy back but can't even crack the rock behind which lois is hiding?
Such a silly movie

I doubt throwing the kryptonite spear would've worked to the desired effect( though giving it to WW would be cool) and what exactly did the president do that was idiotic? Also did Batman know exactly where Lois threw the spear and would he be able to get it? Didn't Lex just use the remains of the genesis chamber to make Doomtroll?