Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean those are people who've clearly made up their mind before even seeing a movie. They're unlikely to change it or stop their trolling after.

And it goes both ways. Some pro- DC people will give it a good rating no matter what, whereas some Anti-DC people will give it a bad score no matter what.

Yes but critics are like what 200-300 people who claim to have higher tastes than the rest of the world. And btw some of them were caught in the Oscars voting for 10 Years a Slave as best movie Without seeing it. So let's not pretend they can't have their own biases and prejudices and pre-conceived notions. And when more than 60% of them give SM3 a fresh rating, let's not pretend they're a good representing of the GA either.

BvS can have that 60% if it wants it. 60% is still a shitty rating. Critics don't claim to have a higher taste than audiences. There job is to review movies and share their opinions based on what they saw. There reviews and opinions are more stringent than general audiences. As for general audience, it not like general audience have great fast either. GA have some piss poor reasons for liking a movie as well. BvS and other movies like it get a higher boost from their builtin fan base than reduced rating from the haters. It skews the rating more in favor of the movie. The box office reflects how audiences feel about the movie. It has no legs at this point.

Seriously, if they had chose to do a good MOS2, the box office wouldn't be much lower, even MOS got 668M.

What would happen if Superman wasn't holding back at all in the fight against Batman?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
What would happen if Superman wasn't holding back at all in the fight against Batman?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
What would happen if Superman wasn't holding back at all in the fight against Batman?

then we wouldn't have had a movie lol...

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Superman had wanted to he could have turned Batman to paste before the "Fight" broke out. I really refuse to call that a fight anyway. For Batman it was, but Superman wasn't really even trying to harm Batman. He just wanted him to stop being a douche and listen to what he was trying to tell him. Batman is lucky that even as emo and boring as Superman was in BvS, he still cared about people. Even hypocritical murderous douchebags like Bruce Wayne.

They're both hypocrites. Superman murdered a warlord when he didn't have to. Then stops Batman from catching criminals. He then tells Batman he should stop being a vigilanty. One vigilanty telling the other how act.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENqMnqx18o

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The box office reflects how audiences feel about the movie. It has no legs at this point.

Does it though? It's hard to say when the film is fighting a 29% RT score. I know many people who haven't seen this due to the reviews, not due to people telling them it sucked.

I took my niece to watch it today and she was surprised she enjoyed it because she read online it was a bad movie. My sister and brother-in-law also havent taken their kids to watch it even though they took them to both Avenger movies. And again, it's hearing it's bad from press articles, not from actual people they know.

Now I'm not suggesting the people I know reflect everyone else, but I am suggesting the poor reviews are hard to fight at the box office from a cinematic Universe that's not yet built itself enough goodwill.

Quite simply, this is going to be known as the most polarizing comic book film ever. I know people who love it, hate it, or are ambivalently neutral about it. Either way, it's clear that the films quality is not something that can be objectively measured. Its good to some people. Its bad to some people. As such there is no unilateral verdict.

I never listen to the critics, but even if i put my bias as a Superman fan aside, I think the movie is too rushed and wasn't as good as I had expected it to be. I believe many people also feel the same way, it wasn't that bad, but it was below the expectation for sure.

Quality can be objectively measured. it's just that there will always be people that like or hate things no matter if it's objectively great, good, bad or terrible.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Quite simply, this is going to be known as the most polarizing comic book film ever. I know people who love it, hate it, or are ambivalently neutral about it. Either way, it's clear that the films quality is not something that can be objectively measured. Its good to some people. Its bad to some people. As such there is no unilateral verdict.

Same here. Most of my co workers and friends who aren't into comic films like it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Quality can be objectively measured. it's just that there will always be people that like or hate things no matter if it's objectively great, good, bad or terrible.

Nonesense. The only things you can objectively measure are numerical like financial success. The quality of Art has no numbers to measure.

The good:
Cast, other than Lex and maybe Alfred, no offense to Jeremy Irons
Music
Most of the acting

The bad:
Plot too rushed, especially it didn't explain Batman and Superman's conflict well enough.

It's not real Superman VS Batman, Superman didn't want to kill at all, still he could have taken down Batman easily.

Too much stuff and characters being inserted in the movie and it didn't work well.

Why did Luthor want to kill Superman? I don't get it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nonesense. The only things you can objectively measure are numerical like financial success. The quality of Art has no numbers to measure.

So you're saying that the writing or acting in Inception isn't objectively better than the writing/acting in mega shark vs giant octopus?

I'm no conspiracy theorist so I'm not in the camp of "Marvel paid off those critics!" but I do think BvS got an extremely bad rap. There is absolutely NO WAY its 29%. NO WAY is it worse than Green Lantern, Daredevil, Thor 2 or Man of Steel. Id buy a high 60s as a fair score. There is certainly a disconnect between Snyder and the critics because I've now seen this thing 3 times and it still holds my attention and is very entertaining; definitely a few problems with it story wise but no as bad as it has been touted as. And yeah, this has hurt the box office because the sheeple that don't form their own opinions have shunned watching this very watchable movie due to the overly hated response of these critics out there.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does it though? It's hard to say when the film is fighting a 29% RT score. I know many people who haven't seen this due to the reviews, not due to people telling them it sucked.

I took my niece to watch it today and she was surprised she enjoyed it because she read online it was a bad movie. My sister and brother-in-law also havent taken their kids to watch it even though they took them to both Avenger movies. And again, it's hearing it's bad from press articles, not from actual people they know.

Now I'm not suggesting the people I know reflect everyone else, but I am suggesting the poor reviews are hard to fight at the box office from a cinematic Universe that's not yet built itself enough goodwill.

It's pretty goodwill and people willing to give it a chance because it is the first time these two shared the big screen. Even hardcore fans have been admitting this film is mediocre at best. One of my coworkers was very lenient and said it was good. I went to see it and thought it was bad. We both gave our opinion to a third coworker. He decided to go see for himself because he was a fan of the characters and came back with the conclusion that it was bad. There wasn't much of a story there.

Yes, critic drove away viewship, but the love and adoration for these characters who've know these characters for generations brought in audiences. How else does a movie that even fans admit have issues, terrible critical review, and an embargo placed reach 800 million at the box office? Iconic pop status and goodwill over the ages gave this movie a huge front load opening world wide. At this point, word of mouth and critics have punish this movie. Had word of mouth been good, this movie would have legs and fought off critics. I would agree that critics were wrong had this movie been good but it isn't. A BvS movie will make less than $900 million.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Quite simply, this is going to be known as the most polarizing comic book film ever. I know people who love it, hate it, or are ambivalently neutral about it. Either way, it's clear that the films quality is not something that can be objectively measured. Its good to some people. Its bad to some people. As such there is no unilateral verdict.

This is like when DC put out Final Crisis, except the general public was also the target audience in this one.

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Originally posted by relentless1
I'm no conspiracy theorist so I'm not in the camp of "Marvel paid off those critics!" but I do think BvS got an extremely bad rap. There is absolutely NO WAY its 29%. NO WAY is it worse than Green Lantern, Daredevil, Thor 2 or Man of Steel. Id buy a high 60s as a fair score. There is certainly a disconnect between Snyder and the critics because I've now seen this thing 3 times and it still holds my attention and is very entertaining; definitely a few problems with it story wise but no as bad as it has been touted as. And yeah, this has hurt the box office because the sheeple that don't form their own opinions have shunned watching this very watchable movie due to the overly hated response of these critics out there.

It was a poor movie by critics standards.

1. Poor editing where it jumped from scene to scene
2.Lex hates Superman because???
3. Lex creates a destructive force in Doomsday to kill Superman but then what will he do with Doomsday afterwards??
4. Batman wants to kill Superman because??? Is he going to kill Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash too since they have the power to destroy the planet???
5. How come words greatest detective didn't know Superman had a family? What kind of detective doesn't does proper research?
6. Why was Lex a clown when his name isn't Joker?
7. Why did Superman not see those dead terrorist and why did Superman kill the warlord in cold blood?
8. Both heroes are killers and vigilanties, why are they such hypocrites when it comes to the others heroism??
9. Superman was a gritty downer
10. Bad story
11. Bad directjng