Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The electrical storm stopped him from being able to use magic, so that.Plus if his auto shields protected him there and he was still almost KO'ed, then I'd hate to see Thor's severely enhanced lightning against his auto shields.
If he loses focus to attack his mind, then he gets his physical body destroyed.
Way to go.....using a nerfed Strange from the Defenders arcs 👆
Since Thor gets backing from Fraction and Simonson in this thread, I feel it would be appropriate to give Doc backing from let's say...Englehart.
There were no auto shields in play there. Even in defense of this weaksauce Doc, it would be a different story fighting Thor 1on 1 in which a shield can be erected instead of getting hit and actually withstanding a bolt while focusing on teleportation. People like to pick on Strange's durability but I suspect he'll bring his A game and turn it up against someone like Thor like when he was able to sustain shots from an amped Juggs.
That scan was really just flat out stupidity on the writers part. A mystical obstruction due to bad weather? 😬
Strange has done shit like taking a bolt and spliting Ghostrider in half with it.
Anyway I see this fight as a split. To reiterate what rage said, it would be a good battle.
Originally posted by SundippedHis powers flickering from being potent to not there had nothing to do with the lightning. In fact, he was about to teleport which is something he had extreme problems with when his powers were waning as he could really only fire blasts.
Way to go.....using a nerfed Strange from the Defenders arcs 👆
Since Thor gets backing from Fraction and Simonson in this thread, I feel it would be appropriate to give Doc backing from let's say...Englehart.There were no auto shields in play there. Even in defense of this weaksauce Doc, it would be a different story fighting Thor 1on 1 in which a shield can be erected instead of getting hit and actually withstanding a bolt while focusing on teleportation. People like to pick on Strange's durability but I suspect he'll bring his A game and turn it up against someone like Thor like when he was able to sustain shots from an amped Juggs.
That scan was really just flat out stupidity on the writers part. A mystical obstruction due to bad weather? 😬
Strange has done shit like taking a bolt and spliting Ghostrider in half with it.Anyway I see this fight as a split. To reiterate what rage said, it would be a good battle.
Fraction writes Thor more powerful than God would write Dr Strange, so not seeing the connection there...
If there were no auto shields, then you should be speaking to the person who I quoted:
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
IIRC Strange protects himself from a massive lightning bolt with auto-shields.Mind control or mind-wipe for the win.
Strange's A game may or may or may not be taking shots from Juggernaut (even though he almost got floored by it), but the many many many other scenes indicate he's not taking shots from Thor un shielded.
You know what the funny part about the Ghost Rider fight was (besides Ghost Rider giving him a ton of problems and eventually leaving him a mess on the floor)? That that actually backs up the stance in the comic I posted that the magic attracts lightning...
http://i42.tinypic.com/5cahko.jpg
Because the lightning didn't block it... the magic only attracted it. Just like the scene you posted.
So, yeah, either the magic attracted lightning, or Strange made a spell that called forth lightning. Which goes against absolutely nothing in the first scan, and at worst backs it up.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Way to go.....using a nerfed Strange from the Defenders arcs 👆
Since Thor gets backing from Fraction and Simonson in this thread, I feel it would be appropriate to give Doc backing from let's say...Englehart.There were no auto shields in play there. Even in defense of this weaksauce Doc, it would be a different story fighting Thor 1on 1 in which a shield can be erected instead of getting hit and actually withstanding a bolt while focusing on teleportation. People like to pick on Strange's durability but I suspect he'll bring his A game and turn it up against someone like Thor like when he was able to sustain shots from an amped Juggs.
That scan was really just flat out stupidity on the writers part. A mystical obstruction due to bad weather? 😬
Strange has done shit like taking a bolt and spliting Ghostrider in half with it.Anyway I see this fight as a split. To reiterate what rage said, it would be a good battle.
He downplays the Juggernaut feat.
Would that scan be yours?
I'm trying to re-read all the issues involved in teh respect thread where Strange may have received an outside amp.
You can go to the original "Rank Em" thread to see more.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His powers flickering from being potent to not there had nothing to do with the lightning. In fact, he was about to teleport which is something he had extreme problems with when his powers were waning as he could really only fire blasts.Fraction writes Thor more powerful than God would write Dr Strange, so not seeing the connection there...
If there were no auto shields, then you should be speaking to the person who I quoted:
Strange's A game may or may or may not be taking shots from Juggernaut (even though he almost got floored by it), but the many many many other scenes indicate he's not taking shots from Thor un shielded.
You know what the funny part about the Ghost Rider fight was (besides Ghost Rider giving him a ton of problems and eventually leaving him a mess on the floor)? That that actually backs up the stance in the comic I posted that the magic attracts lightning...
http://i42.tinypic.com/5cahko.jpgBecause the lightning didn't block it... the magic only attracted it. Just like the scene you posted.
So, yeah, either the magic attracted lightning, or Strange made a spell that called forth lightning. Which goes against absolutely nothing in the first scan, and at worst backs it up.
To Ghost Rider, IIRC, Strange was able to either block Zarathos power from Blaze or pull Zarathos out entirely.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
To Ghost Rider, IIRC, Strange was able to either block Zarathos power from Blaze or pull Zarathos out entirely.
IIRC that was when Ghost Rider was knocked out and Strange borrowed his power. But since I don't feel like looking for it to make sure, I'll ask for a scan.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWhy should I be impressed by this exactly?
He downplays the Juggernaut feat.
When Thor can strike way the shit harder than something that almost took Strange out?
Or are we under the assumption that Strange should be able to take Thor shots unshielded, and ignore hundreds of examples to the contrary?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why should I be impressed by this exactly?
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/DrStrangeSorcerersupre44-17.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/DrStrangeSorcerersupre44-18.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/DrStrangeSorcerersupre44-19.jpgWhen Thor can strike way the shit harder than something that almost took Strange out?
Or are we under the assumption that Strange should be able to take Thor shots unshielded, and ignore hundreds of examples to the contrary?
Acknowledging Strange's physical limitations and giving Thor his due credit, The Odinson may get in one clean shot. The point is that Strange can surmount the initial attack and then launch his own.
Are you arguing that Thor is that much stronger than Cain that the feat wouldn't be comprable?
Calling upon the Vishanti for help increases his power where he can more than deal with brute force from Thor.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynIf Strange gets hit though without shields, he's done. You are not in any way giving Thor his due if you think Strange can shrug off an attack from him unshielded.
Acknowledging Strange's physical limitations and giving Thor his due credit, The Odinson may get in one clean shot. The point is that Strange can surmount the initial attack and then launch his own.Are you arguing that Thor is that much stronger than Cain that the feat wouldn't be comprable?
Calling upon the Vishanti for help increases his power where he can more than deal with brute force from Thor.
He hits harder for sure.
And he def hits hard enough to one shot Dr Strange. You made it Fraction Thor, the guy one shot killed an amped Thing, dented Surfer's head with a headbutt, Damaged Galactus' head, etc.
But like I said, hundreds of examples to the contrary of the Juggernaut example. And he almost got taken out anyway by tractor trailer punches.
First off, prove it. Second off, not a good tactic unless Thor is standing there.
Originally posted by Sundipped
WUT?!
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_14.jpg
Mind you Mjolnir is no Wrecking Crew.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If Strange gets hit though without shields, he's done. You are not in any way giving Thor his due if you think Strange can shrug off an attack from him unshielded.He hits harder for sure.
And he def hits hard enough to one shot Dr Strange. You made it Fraction Thor, the guy one shot killed an amped Thing, dented Surfer's head with a headbutt, Damaged Galactus' head, etc.
But like I said, hundreds of examples to the contrary of the Juggernaut example. And he almost got taken out anyway by tractor trailer punches.First off, prove it. Second off, not a good tactic unless Thor is standing there.
Prove what?
The Vishanti scan is in the Respect thread but I don't have the issue to know the context.
If you mean taking a shot the Cain feat works well enough. It is more likely Strange has the shields up and that os more than enough to hold Thor off.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWhat you're saying. Prove your statements.
Prove what?The Vishanti scan is in the Respect thread but I don't have the issue to know the context.
If you mean taking a shot the Cain feat works well enough. It is more likely Strange has the shields up and that os more than enough to hold Thor off.
I see. So no proof then.
So your stance is that Strange can take a shot from Thor because of the one time he took an attack from Juggernaut that almost wrecked him in the process? Do I not only have to post the Juggernaut feat but a bunch of feats that completely contradict that?
Not only that, but Strange has stated in the past that his cloak has shielded the brunt of Wrecker's attack before. And Juggernaut struck him in the cloak. And Strange still was in terrible shape afterwards.
If he has his shields up that's fine. But claiming he won't be KO'ed from Thor when he's unshielded is insane.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, it was Hulk who took out Strange there.http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_14.jpgMind you Mjolnir is no Wrecking Crew.
What are you talking about? Wrecker clearly states the crew is free now....thanks to Hulk. Hulk saved their asses. 😐
Originally posted by Sundipped
WUT?!
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, it was Hulk who took out Strange there.http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Defenders_018_14.jpgMind you Mjolnir is no Wrecking Crew.
My bad, it was Hulk pounding on his barrier that tipped the scales.
Still, it taking pretty much everything Strange had -to the point of being in utter agony and endangering his sanity- to drain the Wrecking Crew does not bode well for him attempting to drain Mjolnir of it's power or whatever was suggested.
Also:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainsWreckingCrew1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DrainsWreckingCrew2.jpg
Just for some comparison.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What you're saying. Prove your statements.I see. So no proof then.
So your stance is that Strange can take a shot from Thor because of the one time he took an attack from Juggernaut that almost wrecked him in the process? Do I not only have to post the Juggernaut feat but a bunch of feats that completely contradict that?
Not only that, but Strange has stated in the past that his cloak has shielded the brunt of Wrecker's attack before. And Juggernaut struck him in the cloak. And Strange still was in terrible shape afterwards.If he has his shields up that's fine. But claiming he won't be KO'ed from Thor when he's unshielded is insane.
Look, you're being willfully obtuse.
Scenario 1- Strange has auto-shields up most of the time in his classic depictions and under Englehart. Thor brings his usual mentality and Mjolnir and they go to war.
This is the most likely scenario
Scenario 2- Strange's human frailty is taken into greatr account in comparison with Thor's physical supremacy. Speed is a factor in that difference and it could be argued that Thor can get an initial shot. Strange critics cite low durability and non-shielded events, taken that into account I bring up Cain.
Reasonable according to canon and fair to Thor supporters.
Scenario 3- Strange has auto-shields tanks an initial attack and takes Thor down with psionic attack. Thor's history against psionic attack is almost as erratic as Strange's to physical assaults.
I'm not a superfan( Though I admire all of you that are) with scans at the ready. You have posted in the Strange respect thread and are knowledgeable about the character. Working off memory some things may be off but the claims are well within the realm of Strange's canon.
I will get scans but I think you know exactly what is accurate in my claims.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His powers flickering from being potent to not there had nothing to do with the lightning. In fact, he was about to teleport which is something he had extreme problems with when his powers were waning as he could really only fire blasts.Fraction writes Thor more powerful than God would write Dr Strange, so not seeing the connection there...
If there were no auto shields, then you should be speaking to the person who I quoted:
Strange's A game may or may or may not be taking shots from Juggernaut (even though he almost got floored by it), but the many many many other scenes indicate he's not taking shots from Thor un shielded.
You know what the funny part about the Ghost Rider fight was (besides Ghost Rider giving him a ton of problems and eventually leaving him a mess on the floor)? That that actually backs up the stance in the comic I posted that the magic attracts lightning...
http://i42.tinypic.com/5cahko.jpgBecause the lightning didn't block it... the magic only attracted it. Just like the scene you posted.
So, yeah, either the magic attracted lightning, or Strange made a spell that called forth lightning. Which goes against absolutely nothing in the first scan, and at worst backs it up.
In the scan it was clearly mentioned that it was a constant storm ongoing and mystical energy attracted lightning. Absolute BS. Seriously doubt Thor tries weather tactics in this case anyway.
"God can't write Strange more powerful than a Fraction Thor"? Get Thor's balls out cha mouth will ya 🙄
So you don't think shields (auto or common) won't be on standby in a one on one matchup? Okedokey.
Strange had him dead to rights until CIS allowed the chains to grab him for the Penance Stare. It was a sneak attack. Strange thought he was finished.
I don't doubt a hammer shot would do damage but Doc knows Thor very well and melee tactics would most likely be accounted for and properly defended in a forum fight.
Highly doubt a lightning bolt gets through a shield capable of blocking cosmic energy, lasers, core of the sun heat, Doramammu etc. That makes that scan even more ridiculous. If magic did bring forth the lightning, then the Ghostrider fight shows that it is well within his control. Sometimes plot plays a part in all of this and at times stupidity is inserted...like the case in your scan.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Look, you're being willfully obtuse.Scenario 1- Strange has auto-shields up most of the time in his classic depictions and under Englehart. Thor brings his usual mentality and Mjolnir and they go to war.
This is the most likely scenario
Scenario 2- Strange's human frailty is taken into greatr account in comparison with Thor's physical supremacy. Speed is a factor in that difference and it could be argued that Thor can get an initial shot. Strange critics cite low durability and non-shielded events, taken that into account I bring up Cain.
Reasonable according to canon and fair to Thor supporters.
Scenario 3- Strange has auto-shields tanks an initial attack and takes Thor down with psionic attack. Thor's history against psionic attack is almost as erratic as Strange's to physical assaults.
I'm not a superfan( Though I admire all of you that are) with scans at the ready. You have posted in the Strange respect thread and are knowledgeable about the character. Working off memory some things may be off but the claims are well within the realm of Strange's canon.
I will get scans but I think you know exactly what is accurate in my claims.
Like I said before, you can find 100 scans of Strange not having auto shields to every 1 scan you find of an auto shield
Tell you what, for every scan of an auto shield you can find, I'll show Thor godblasting
But Strange's durability still is low citing the Cain example...
Strange's auto shield is simply not tanking an attack from Thor though.
And Thor's history against the psychic angle is nowhere near as bad as you make it seem. Like Rage already said, Thor (berserk) already violently expelled Strange from his mind.
I know a lot. I know a little. No one besides me will ever know exactly how much I know, and I'll keep it that way. But it's not up to me to prove claims, especially when it's not just the scan, but also the interpreter that matter.
Plus, I also don't care one way or another, which is why you should probably make me care.
