Dr. Strange VS Thor

Originally posted by ODG
We get it. Dr. Strange defeated Rulk, Spider-Man, Thing, Cap, Thor one-by-one forcing Voodoo to keep switching out. Because Thor had recovered by the time Captain Marvel took him down. As did Thing. As did Rulk. Wait... what?

So because Strange took down other Avengers, that in itself is prove and evidence that he had to have defeated Thor? You also seem to be ignoring how ridiculous your statement is in light of the fact that Thor is fine after a page.

Thor could have been out of the book for five pages, that still doesn't in itself mean he was defeated. Characters get knocked off panel all the time in comics, particularly heavy hitters in team fights.

Did Vision defeat Thor iyo as well? After all, he did toss him by his cape off panel for longer then Strange did.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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I said I got the second scan you posted up top confused with that last scan you just posted...get it? Calm down.

I am calm. 😬

I thought you meant the scene with Thor over Strange takes place seven pages after Carol hits Strange.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Post scans if you can. I've learned to be weary of feats from Strange without analyzing context.

And Thor has dealt with energy on such a scale before as well.

Marvel Premiere was where Shuma was siphoning off of Ancient One to a point of death inside his mind, and Strange destroyed a defenseless weakened Ancient One's ego thus 'killing' both.

If that's the fight he's talking about

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So because Strange took down other Avengers, that in itself is prove and evidence that he had to have defeated Thor? You also seem to be ignoring how ridiculous your statement is in light of the fact that Thor is fine after a page.

Thor could have been out of the book for five pages, that still doesn't in itself mean he was defeated. Characters get knocked off panel all the time in comics, particularly heavy hitters in team fights.

Did Vision defeat Thor iyo as well? After all, he did toss him by his cape off panel for longer then Strange did.

Had Thor not been just another bowling pin, amongst page-after-page of Dr. Strange single-handedly battling Avengers and taking them down one-by-one, you'd have a point.

If we switched Thor and Dr. Strange's positions, with a weakened Thor taking on mindcontrolled Avenger after Avenger and beating them one-by-one until he couldn't, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So save the obtuse strawmans for another argument.

Originally posted by ODG
When the repeating pattern is that phucking obvious, yes. Rulk and Thing were fine too after being allowed to recover. So were Captain America and Spider-Man after being allowed more time to recover.

Had Thor not been just another bowling pin, amongst page-after-page of Dr. Strange single-handedly battling Avengers and taking them down one-by-one, you'd have a point.

If we switched Thor and Dr. Strange's positions, with a weakened Thor taking on mindcontrolled Avenger after Avenger and beating them one-by-one until he couldn't, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So save the obtuse strawmans for another argument.

You're entire argument is based on a very subjective interpretation of the comic and mostly on the telepathic ability to read the writer's mind and what he was intending.

Simply put, Thor was 'taken out' for a brief page and didn't have a scratch on him. No matter how you try and approach this, the evidence won't change.

And I'm sure if I did so, people would call me out on being an idiot for arguing a one page, inconclusive and unclear pink glow is evidence of a defeat. And also sufficient evidence to base a conclusion in a thread despite more definitive contrary evidence.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're entire argument is based on a very subjective interpretation of the comic and mostly on the telepathic ability to read the writer's mind and what he was intending.

Simply put, Thor was 'taken out' for a brief page and didn't have a scratch on him. No matter how you try and approach this, the evidence won't change.

And I'm sure if I did so, people would call me out on being an idiot for arguing a one page, inconclusive and unclear pink glow is evidence of a defeat. And also sufficient evidence to base a conclusion in a thread despite more definitive contrary evidence.

Dr. Strange knocked him down like a bowling pin, amongst a bunch of other Avengers. Get over it.

Don't bother trying to sell any other outcome. We both know if the positions were reversed, there isn't a doubt in your mind.

Originally posted by ODG
I can detect simple repeating patterns. This isn't just page-after-page of Dr. Strange beating down Avengers. It's splash page after splash page, with rotating artists for extra oomph. Added to that, it was the final issue of Bendis' near-decade long run with the Avengers culminating in Dr. Strange's triumphant return to the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme. So, no, I don't think it's subjective to believe that a mind-controlled Thor ends up being a victim of A-game Dr. Strange. When he was one of many.

Dr. Strange knocked him down like a bowling pin, amongst a bunch of other Avengers. Get over it.

Don't bother trying to sell any other outcome. We both know if the positions were reversed, there isn't a doubt in your mind.

So far you've just been repeating the same thing over and over again without even bothering to counter any point I've made. So I'm done.

Doctor Strange defeated Thor. Despite the fact that Thor was fine and unharmed on the next page. You can't even tell me what happened and it was extremely inconclusive. 👆

I'm certain you believe Aquaman one shot knocked out Superman a while back as well.

Again with the telepathy. First you want to ignore evidence in favor of what you think Bendis was thinking and now you want to sell me on what my argument would be.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So far you've just been repeating the same thing over and over again without even bothering to counter any point I've made. So I'm done.

Doctor Strange defeated Thor. Despite the fact that Thor was fine and unharmed on the next page. You can't even tell me what happened and it was extremely inconclusive. 👆

It wasn't the next page. At that point, Thor was out of the fight having just been defeated. And, yes, Strange took out Thor just like he took out every other Avenger in five consecutive splash pages of rotating artists where Avengers were being defeated one-by-one. And then those Avengers recovered when Voodoo beat Strange. Some of those Avengers, at the same time Thor recovered.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm certain you believe Aquaman one shot knocked out Superman a while back as well.

Again with the telepathy. First you want to ignore evidence in favor of what you think Bendis was thinking and now you want to sell me on what my argument would be.

I'm sure if I looked hard enough, there's some random comic where Thor dismantles a group one-by-one -- maybe the Infinity Watch, or a bunch of named Asgardians, or maybe even the Godpack -- where Thor systematically takes out all of em, and the battle abruptly ends with some of the combatants looking unharmed after only two pages, and it'd be like Thor didn't defeat any of them whatsoever, especially the second-to-last one. But that would be wasted effort over the obscenely obvious: if the positions were reversed, there wouldn't even be a conversation.

Dr. Strange removes Thor and forces the 2 of them to move at FTL speed. Thor then becomes disoriented and is manhandled by Strange!

Canon!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange removes Thor and forces the 2 of them to move at FTL speed. Thor then becomes disoriented and is manhandled by Strange!

Canon!

That's what you want to do, start lowballing? That's really the smartest move in a Strange thread iyo?

Not to mention that it wasn't even anywhere near a bad showing and Sentry has easily broken free of Strange's magic and one shotted him IIRC. 😐

Originally posted by ODG
I've pretty much responded to every single thing you've said. Line for line. All of it. But again, Bendis' farewell and tying up huge loose plot threads like Strange's depowering, couldn't possibly be a scenario ripe for a certain mindcontrolled Avenger to be taken out. Not like Avengers were being beaten left and right... except, yknow, they were...

It wasn't the next page. At that point, Thor was out of the fight having just been defeated. And, yes, Strange took out Thor just like he took out every other Avenger in five consecutive splash pages of rotating artists where Avengers were being defeated one-by-one. And then those Avengers recovered when Voodoo beat Strange. Some of those Avengers, at the same time Thor recovered. I'm certain this strawman is about as wasted as the last one.

I'm sure if I looked hard enough, there's some random comic where Thor dismantles a group one-by-one -- maybe the Infinity Watch, or a bunch of named Asgardians, or maybe even the Godpack -- where Thor systematically takes out all of em, and the battle abruptly ends with some of the combatants looking unharmed after only two pages, and it'd be like Thor didn't defeat any of them whatsoever, especially the second-to-last one. But that would be wasted effort over the obscenely obvious: if the positions were reversed, there wouldn't even be a conversation.

So Strange took out and defeated Thor for a total of one page which lasted for about a few seconds or so. Just like Thor showed his total and definitive superiority when he effortlessly and completely defeated Strange with a lightning bolt:

Glad that we could come to this silly and ridiculous understanding. 👆

And oh, look at that. Voodoo switched from Thor to Rulk to attack Strange. Clearly definitive evidence that Thor must have somehow been taken out by Strange. Because a constantly body jumping ghost, body jumping, is evidence of incapacitation.

Look all you want, someone being knocked off panel for a page being called a defeat is going to be stupid no matter who does it. You want to prove an incapacitation, you need evidence. Like them lying face down instead of standing unharmed after a moment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So Strange took out and defeated Thor for a total of one page which lasted for about a few seconds or so. Just like Thor showed his total and definitive superiority when he effortlessly and completely defeated Strange with a lightning bolt:

Glad that we could come to this silly and ridiculous understanding. 👆

And oh, look at that. Voodoo switched from Thor to Rulk to attack Strange. Clearly definitive evidence that Thor must have somehow been taken out by Strange. Because a constantly body jumping ghost, body jumping, is evidence of incapacitation.

Look all you want, someone being knocked off panel for a page being called a defeat is going to be stupid no matter who does it. You want to prove an incapacitation, you need evidence. Like them lying face down instead of standing unharmed after a moment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's what you want to do, start lowballing? That's really the smartest move in a Strange thread iyo?

Not to mention that it wasn't even anywhere near a bad showing and Sentry has easily broken free of Strange's magic and one shotted him IIRC. 😐

You've stated that it wasn't a "Bad showing" then by definition it can't be lowballing.

Sentry, the beast of the cosmos, and Thor destroyer, is not relevant here.

P.S. Kill the Odinson, Sentry. Kill him! 😎

Ok last post from me on this subject and if you want to respond you can have the last word but I don't see why you would afford ODG that luxury so easily. 😬

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's just something that can and probably will happen. As we've seen, it bugs Strange. Just a funny little tidbit is all

I'd wager Thor's summoned storms on par with at the very least half of Strange's appearances in comics.

Either way, the point is the same. Both use them a lot. Acting like Thor summoning a storm is out of character doesn't make any sense.

Good luck basing victory for Thor on a storm. The odds drop even less depending on if the lightining is mystical or electrical. As we saw it HAD to be electrical to cause a hinderance. All this considering if this weakness is even commonplace to begin with.

LOL! That wager would be wrong. Strange has been around since the 60's and you're going to stack Thor's storm production up against EVERY SINGLE Dr. Strange apperance? Extra LOL!

Of course it's not out of character and if you want to give him wins due to an BS plot induced enchantment restriction that was never again seen (to my knowledge), and that was never shown to disturb other effects besides enchantments like invoking entities then that's your perrogative. Guess that lightining in New Avengers wasn't electrical huh?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes, I firmly believe that God couldn't make Strange more powerful than Thor. He couldn't though, seriously.

Are you talking about Strange Tales v2 15 (14 was where the fight happened)?

The one where Strange straight up had infinite power going into the fight (though admittedly he took it from his Shuma's dudes which was a tremendous feat)?
And he was going to destroy galaxies, not the plane, because he absorbed a shit ton of energy from Shuma as well and Strange couldn't control it. And he went crazy from it to a point where he didn't even know he was Strange and it took multiple issues for him to regain his Dr Strange persona?

That is about as much normal Strange's level as Rune King Thor is normal Thor.

Marvel Premiere was where Shuma was siphoning off of Ancient One to a point of death inside his mind, and Strange destroyed a defenseless weakened Ancient One's ego thus 'killing' both.

Is this the type of feats I should be using for Thor? The ones where he is so crazily amped it's not even funny?

Now you're flip floping back and forth from joke to now "firmly believing"? LOL#3 😂

Aside from me getting the arcs mixed up, yeah were using Strange Tales Strange that was written by Gillis. Thanks for pointing that out. The Strange that had his all his talismans and scrolls taken by Agamotto which forced him to resort to black magic. The Strange that went around absorbing mystical powers left and right UNDER HIS OWN POWER which makes this applicable dispite your rant about a comparison being made to Rune King Thor who has that title directly applied to his name for that arc. Strange's black magic practices have STAYED with him since he learned them although he chooses not to use them. That comes with his STANDARD personna. He even used it just recently in New Avengers when he destroyed Drum's astral form/spirit essence.

Don't get upset because this Strange is capable of absorbing mystical energy on a scale that he could challenge and defeat Elder gods and would most likely shitstomp Thor. Forget about the fact that Strange was VOLUNTARILY able to release that galaxy busting energy and what happened afterwards.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
All of the context was in the scans I posted, and there was only a couple where the excuses made any conceivable sense as to why his shield could be construed as weaker.
Which was about 2 out of many... many.

I don't need to lowball, or average out his shield (since it's so numerous), since I find it unlikely that people believe Strange's shield is unbreakable anymore, let alone for someone on the level of Thor.

Question though. If cases of his shield breaking matched up with instances of his shield holding, how would you view that?

LOL#3 😂
Why are you lying about this, and I'm sure Leo can attest to this because I gave context on all of those except maybe a couple to your credit.

Whenever you just post a scan and say "hey look it got smashed here" like you did without providing the circumstances.....it's lowballing. It surfaces and rears it's ugly head everytime a thread with Strange pops up. Whether you know it or not, it's really a bad look.

Gotta check on the circumstantial context involved. Was he nerfed for the sake of being a team player, depowered, things of that nature. However, for the sake of this thread, it had no problems in a direct confrontation against Thor.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It was a lightning bolt that hit Thor directly, when Strange was 'behind' the Crimson Bands about 12 feet away.
It hit Strange less than it hit Daredevil.

Or the lightning was just meant to free Thor since it came quite a ways from Strange...
Are you really arguing that it was meant to bypass everyone else when Drumm straight up claimed he didn't care if any of them died? Let alone the notion of that in the first place.

Of course it was weak. Ms Marvel hit him while he was actively shielding from her attacks, ie broke through. And Thor's previous attack shattered the bands of Cytorrak from a focused magician with a lightning attack.

Yes, good feat for Strange. Irrelevant to Thor.

If it hit Strange less than it hit Daredevil then why wasn't Daredevil any worse for wear but Strange was on the ground visibly shook up for a panel?

He didn't care if any of them died but at the same time he knew he still needed the whole team to participate in taking down Strange. He was utilizing everyone by jumping from host to host.

You have no definitive evidence that it was weak. What you want it to be doesn't count and you're only going off conjecture.

I suspect the lightning wouldn't have a hard time shattering the bands considering the bands were trying to restrain the entire team so there's that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's literally an aura surrounding him like a bubble in the third scan I posted. There's a lot of that in that comic for that matter, but it's again, not needed. Hellfire is not a Thor level attack.

He wasn't lying flat on his back in the Thor scenario though asking for a "time out".

But Thor has more powerful attacks so there's that.

The funny thing about the instances you're bringing up though aren't exactly helping the notion of him having an auto shield all the time though. Or even using a shield half the time... but I digress.
It also doesn't help when you bring up feats from fights where he loses, but again, digress.

Still no evidence of a shield tho. Strange has gotten hit by a typical lightning bolt as well as feeling the effects of thor's lightning so yeah...the hell with the Hellfire.

Once again, momentarily down but not out.
Of course but many varibles take place during the course of a fight. It won't be a stomp in eithers favor so there's that.

Who cares about auto shields? He didn't even have the Eye or Amulet on him vs the Avengers and he still endured. Just imagine if he had his gear during that fight. Dwell on that. Also once again, Thor has no Pennance Stare so the feats from that fight can be validily discussed.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I realize. I'm not saying different attacks will go through his shield based on the nature though.
Strange can block anything (except gas apparently), it's just the level of the attacks. Which Thor specializes in.

Just want to keep you in the know.

I should hope the Godblast can't only match him.

I wouldn't expect you to correct them... not sure if that's good or bad though.
Anyway, I can't sway you from the split I admit. But I can sure as hell definitively prove Thor is not a tier below Strange is basically what my real gripe is.

Yeah I know, Thor has powerful attacks yada yada ya. Becoming repetitive at this point.

How can I forget?

Both can have affect on abstracts so they should be in the same ballpark.

Not my place I feel. Especially when there are others who'll jump at the opportunity. Yeah you can take that up with the actual poster in question.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And he's far above the likes of Mephisto so there's that. Plus he sleeps inside the sun. And he was still taken back by Thor's lightning.
It just shows that Thor's lightning > the sun.
And Strange's shields can be broken. Especially when Thor's lightning can destroy secondary adamantium, as can his hammer throws...

Or it just attracted it from the sky with no mystical properties. Although I can't fathom why it being magical has to do with anything.

Any exploitation available? lol. Thor could literally ram forward and smash the shit out of Strange. I'm just giving Strange the benefit of the doubt.

It was of "the same essence as the sun" and didn't cause him much trouble. Moot because we've seen Strange in the presence of Thor's lightning without SS invoked shields.

It was a mystically influenced. A two part spell. But wait... his magic and electricity don't mix right?

Yeah and a blast channeling the Vishanti would smash the shit out of Thor and lay him out like it did Death. I'm just giving Thor the benefit of the doubt. See what I did there?

Cont. next post...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
OK cool. Thor is far more durable than Ghost Rider, who beat Strange.
Ghost Rider was torn apart by way lesser than a lightning bolt in that series.

So lightning changes the odds in Strange's favor?
You realize... you really realize that you just literally brought up a scene where Thor struck himself with a lightning bolt with enough force to break the Crimson Bands and was none the worse for wear from it... don't you?

But a bolt used against a standing still Ghost Rider that damaged him will have some sort of significant effect on Thor?
Are you following this train of thought logically?

Not to mention Strange left himself wide open for an attack while doing this. So you better hope Thor stops dead in his tracks.

Must of missed where I said Thor can endure some punishment.

WTF are you talking about, of course Thor is not going to hurt himself. And as I said earlier, it shouldn't be a hard task to break the bands trying to hold the whole team.

Sorry by in my opinion that attack won't be no sold if thats what you're implying.

Dude I know you read the comic, Strange was feeling guilty and him being supceptible to attack was a result of not even having his mind on fighting at that present time. You like to ignore context in order to favor your argument. You did that with that Frankensurfer story a couple of times. I'm starting to notice a pattern.

Anyway, I have one word to your upcomming response should there be one: SPLIT

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok last post from me on this subject and if you want to respond you can have the last word but I don't see why you would afford ODG that luxury so easily. 😬

Originally posted by Sundipped
Good luck basing victory for Thor on a storm. The odds drop even less depending on if the lightining is mystical or electrical. As we saw it HAD to be electrical to cause a hinderance. All this considering if this weakness is even commonplace to begin with.

LOL! That wager would be wrong. Strange has been around since the 60's and you're going to stack Thor's storm production up against [b]EVERY SINGLE Dr. Strange apperance? Extra LOL!

Of course it's not out of character and if you want to give him wins due to an BS plot induced enchantment restriction that was never again seen (to my knowledge), and that was never shown to disturb other effects besides enchantments like invoking entities then that's your perrogative. Guess that lightining in New Avengers wasn't electrical huh? [/B]

Thor has been around longer. Has appeared in twice as many comics, and his whole thing is basically creating storms. All he has to do is create a storm in a quarter of his appearances, and that's assuming he only creates one in those issues.
It's not far off.
That's if you take what I said literally, and ignore the actual point. Thor creates storms. It's what he does. Dr Strange uses magic, that's what he does. Laughing at one of these guys using these powers is retarded when it's something they're heavily known for.

Again, you fail to understand even the slightest things after I even explain them. I never said that lightning is Dr Strange's weakness. I never said normal lightning is going to go through his shield. I said Dr Strange's magic attracts lightning.
Which it apparently does again judging by yours and my scan.

Simply laughing at things and acting like that covers it isn't going to work. You've failed to bring up anything to counteract it, and when you tried, you only reinforced it.

Is Thor creating a storm going to be a game changer? No, of course not. I never acted like it would be. Is Thor creating a storm going to be a hindrance for Strange? Apparently. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Now you're flip floping back and forth from joke to now "firmly believing"? LOL#3 😂

Aside from me getting the arcs mixed up, yeah were using Strange Tales Strange that was written by Gillis. Thanks for pointing that out. The Strange that had his all his talismans and scrolls taken by Agamotto which forced him to resort to black magic. The Strange that went around absorbing mystical powers left and right UNDER HIS OWN POWER which makes this applicable dispite your rant about a comparison being made to Rune King Thor who has that title directly applied to his name for that arc. Strange's black magic practices have STAYED with him since he learned them although he chooses not to use them. That comes with his STANDARD personna. He even used it just recently in New Avengers when he destroyed Drum's astral form/spirit essence.

Don't get upset because this Strange is capable of absorbing mystical energy on a scale that he could challenge and defeat Elder gods and would most likely shitstomp Thor. Forget about the fact that Strange was VOLUNTARILY able to release that galaxy busting energy and what happened afterwards.

He was absorbing black magic yes. And he was severely amped even before absorbing the black magic out of Arioch. I believe it stated he was above Ancient One due to all the magic he absorbed before Arioch.
Although it's funny you know this for a fact seeing as you previously thought it happened in a completely other book and restated this a couple times, even though there was a substantial amount of time between the two.

And yes, Strange absorbed 'infinite' power before his fight with Shuma. Great feat, never denied it. However, the power he absorbed was not his in anyway. And he doesn't have access to it in any of these threads. You're arguing about a powered up Strange and acting like he can just become that level in a thread where he has no access to infinite power. I could see if you tried to loop this around to him absorbing Thor's Mjolnir, but you're just talking about it like he can accomplish this power instantly. It's dumb.

As well as you previously showing Strange having problems absorbing a far weaker spell than Mjolnir in the Wrecking Crew (well, you didn't show it, you showed a cropped scan) when Thor has accomplished it far easier. Thor's hammer is neither black magic, nor can his hammer's enchantment simply be absorbed, especially when we have evidence to the contrary of Strange being able to accomplish it.

Yes, Strange was able to absorb enough black magic to put him on a high level. Too bad everything about that arc is completely irrelevant to a fight with Thor.

Like I said, if we're speaking about amps, we might as well throw Rune King Thor in there. Or act like Thor just absorbed a huge blast from Phoenix and is coming into the fight with that in his hammer. It was not their power and it is not relevant in a fight where these other beings are not in the vicinity. Basically, it'd be like Thor absorbing a bunch of sources that powered him up each time and acting like it's all his power that he gained from these beings, but then act like it's within his starting power to absorb the later beings as well.

I don't even get why you'd reach that far in the first place though. Quite a lot of people know the context of that fight, so... last ditch effort or something?

Originally posted by Sundipped
LOL#3 😂
Why are you lying about this, and I'm sure Leo can attest to this because I gave context on all of those except maybe a couple to your credit.

Whenever you just post a scan and say "hey look it got smashed here" like you did without providing the circumstances.....it's lowballing. It surfaces and rears it's ugly head everytime a thread with Strange pops up. Whether you know it or not, it's really a bad look.

Gotta check on the circumstantial context involved. Was he nerfed for the sake of being a team player, depowered, things of that nature. However, for the sake of this thread, it had no problems in a [b]direct confrontation against Thor. [/B]

But I did provide the circumstances. In fact, you already said I did, so there's that.
In threads where people act like Thanos or Surfer can't get through his shield, scans are needed to the contrary. You call it lowballing, but when I've posted more like 20 times the scans of the opposition, that certainly doesn't look too good.

I need no lectures from you. Like I said, I'd rather not be caught lying, which is why I don't get caught lying. You can bump those threads if you want to see how much I 'hid' if that suits you. Although I bet you won't want to after you find the threads. No sweat off my back though.

Yes, it withstood a IYO-Strong attack from Thor, and then seemingly got smashed by Ms Marvel. Ms Marvel > Thor apparently.
Unless we realize it wasn't actually a strong attack. Although I'm not pretending like Strange can't protect against weak Thor attacks.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If it hit Strange less than it hit Daredevil then why wasn't Daredevil any worse for wear but Strange was on the ground visibly shook up for a panel?

He didn't care if any of them died but at the same time he knew he still needed the whole team to participate in taking down Strange. He was utilizing everyone by jumping from host to host.

You have no definitive evidence that it was weak. What you want it to be doesn't count and you're only going off conjecture.

I suspect the lightning wouldn't have a hard time shattering the bands considering the bands were trying to restrain the entire team so there's that.

Unless you now think that Thor's attack was only directed at himself, Red Hulk, and Strange.
lol at thinking it was only meant for Strange though. That's some picking and choosing I can only dream of.

He literally stated in the same scan that he doesn't care if they live or die after he fired off the lightning bolt. So, that

Because it was weak. It looked weak. Ms Marvel did better against his shields. And his previous lightning bolt broke the Crimson Bands of Cy.
He protected against a lightning attack, good for him. That doesn't however mean he can protect against any lightning attack from Thor. Especially when we know he can vary the attack.

That doesn't make any sense. The bands were strong enough to contain a team with Thor and Red Hulk on it, so that means that the lightning bolt should have an easier time breaking it? Almost as soon as they were summoned Thor fired off a lightning bolt. If you're implying they weakened the bands, that doesn't leave a lot of time to accomplish so.
Either way, the lightning bolt destroyed a strong version of the crimson bands.
But you're trying to downplay a lightning bolt that accomplished destroying something very durable, and then up playing a lightning bolt that accomplished nothing. Fishy business.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Still no evidence of a shield tho. Strange has gotten hit by a typical lightning bolt as well as feeling the effects of thor's lightning so yeah...the hell with the Hellfire.

Once again, momentarily down but not out.
Of course but many varibles take place during the course of a fight. It won't be a stomp in eithers favor so there's that.

Who cares about auto shields? He didn't even have the Eye or Amulet on him vs the Avengers and he still endured. Just imagine if he had his gear during that fight. Dwell on that. Also once again, Thor has no Pennance Stare so the feats from that fight can be validily discussed.

Typical doesn't mean powerful. And he got hit by the effects due to it knocking him down. He did not however get hit by the bolt.
But yes, the hell with hellfire.

Just like Ghost Rider was momentarily down but not out. Fancy that.

Well, that's your opinion, so you can keep that.

You care about autoshields.

Originally posted by Sundipped
So you don't think shields (auto or common) won't be on standby in a one on one matchup? Okedokey.

Just imagine if Thor had his own mind and control of his powers. Or apparently even worse, imagine if Ms Marvel was operating to her peak capacity?

And again, Thor doesn't need a penance stare. But you don't care since your next post has you ignoring his attacks again.
All I'm saying is a fight where Dr Strange has a lot of issues with Ghost Rider and then loses isn't a terribly good fight to use. As evidenced.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah I know, Thor has powerful attacks yada yada ya. Becoming repetitive at this point.

How can I forget?

Both can have affect on abstracts so they should be in the same ballpark.

Not my place I feel. Especially when there are others who'll jump at the opportunity. Yeah you can take that up with the actual poster in question.

Are you talking about Galactus where he only knocked him down to no effect? Thor's accomplished that even without a Godblast. That's about it really...

It's not your place to say anything to people who run absolutely amok with the character you feel deserves a fair shake?
Here's my opinion though, and it's a doozy. You think Strange should be on a higher tier than other heralds, you just can't prove it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was of "the same essence as the sun" and didn't cause him much trouble. Moot because we've seen Strange in the presence of Thor's lightning without SS invoked shields.

It was a mystically influenced. A two part spell. But wait... his magic and electricity don't mix right?

Yeah and a blast channeling the Vishanti would smash the shit out of Thor and lay him out like it did Death. I'm just giving Thor the benefit of the doubt. See what I did there?

Cont. next post...

You're gleaning an awful lot from no words being said about it.
And it really doesn't matter if they mix. Like I said, I can't fathom why it matters. That was a clue for you to show me why it mattered. You did not show why it's important at all.

Considering Thanos after just gaining the ability to fire energy just blasted a hole through Death's head, and Thor has been able to take shots from a Thanos presumably more powerful... 🙂
But anyway, glad to know you don't think it's actually a split.

But yes, I see what you did. You threw out a random feat and hoped it would be enough to deter me. I've been backing my opinion up the entire debate on the other hand.

IE, Thor can break his shields and knock him out.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Must of missed where I said Thor can endure some punishment.

WTF are you talking about, of course Thor is not going to hurt himself. And as I said earlier, it shouldn't be a hard task to break the bands trying to hold the whole team.

Sorry by in my opinion that attack won't be no sold if thats what you're implying.

Dude I know you read the comic, Strange was feeling guilty and him being supceptible to attack was a result of not even having his mind on fighting at that present time. You like to ignore context in order to favor your argument. You did that with that Frankensurfer story a couple of times. I'm starting to notice a pattern.

Anyway, I have one word to your upcomming response should there be one: SPLIT

Thor's hurt himself with lightning before. Like when he killed Durok who was tanking his normal attacks, mind you that was quite the powerful attack without Mjolnir, but still lightning.
But your opinion again is that Thor is completely immune to his own lightning, but Strange's lightning will hurt him?
Either way you turn it's stupid.
But that's retarded, as I explained earlier.

It will be. Assuming it hits considering Thor's control over lightning and his ability to easily draw it into his hammer.

I'm not talking about the after effects. I'm talking about this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5cahko&s=5
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/633fda28-cd15-4cb6-856b-a561a91afd9b_zps1de06a8a.jpg

Leaving himself completely wide open to be attacked.

But I didn't with the FrankenSurfer story. You can stop lying at any time.
In fact, I went through the entire story almost of the FrankenSurfer story, while you sat there and claiming him getting through his shield of seraphim was pis because he previously failed to get through it, and apparently characters don't try harder in comics. You also tried to claim that FrankenSurfer had "real PC" like it meant anything when we knew for a fact he was weaker. As well as tried to twist me saying that Surfer going way faster than the speed of sound meant he was just going the speed of sound.
You want to actually read the thread and tell me what I lied about?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560278&pagenumber=3

And I know there's other threads where I spammed the hell out of threads with like half the scans from the FrankenSurfer story.

Good for you. But since you provided a bevy of ways that Strange splits with Thor and the why of things (you didn't), I guess I'll just stick with Thor smashing Strange

Strange teleports him to the Dark Dimension and lets Dormammu play with him for a bit.

OneDumbG0's interpretation of the scans is correct. Bran and Rage are just haters. 13

Thor takes it