Originally posted by Sundipped
Doc's mystical energy atracted a bolt because a storm was already present. So you're giving Thor great odds in favor of creating a ordinary storm against Strange in order for a bolt to be fired as a result of a mystical glitch? What would Thor only make it rain for when he could just fire a bolt outright anyway? This is very much not a presumable strategy nor would it make much sense.
I agree. Which Thor can repeat.
Because Thor can make a giant storm, and it can be on the field while he carries on with whatever he needs to do. And he can do it quickly.
I'm not giving great odds for it, I just find it funny that something Thor does a lot in comics has been shown to be detrimental to Dr Strange.
But no, it doesn't make sense for Thor to summon a storm. I don't find it very probable that Dr Strange will utilize magic either.
Originally posted by Sundipped
What deflection? The OP listed writers to back Thor. Is it something wrong with me suggesting backing for Strange? We all know what a Fraction Thor can do but you went overboard by elevating Thor to this "untouchable" status by implying even God can't write Strange to a level where competetion can't be seen at least in a somewhat balanced manner. I wouldn't even expect a statement like that even from Rage or Jake who may be the biggest Thor supporters on Earth. You sounded like a foaming at the mouth rabid fanboy to say the least.
You're still deflecting though. If you disagree with my statement, then prove to me how Englehart writes a more powerful Strange.
My 'joke' was meant for you to actually show something. But you'd rather deflect to how much of a rabid fanboy of Thor I am.
K, I'm a rabid Thor fanboy. Now show how dropping Englehart's name is relevant.
Originally posted by Sundipped
With repeated bludgeoning he may smash it but Doc is not going to just sit there while he wails away. Oh yeah...if you're thinking about bringing up that lack of context shield smash collection you like to lowball with forget it. I already responded numerous times to it and provided the hows and whys.
Doc doesn't have to sit there though for Thor to break it.
You made up a bunch of excuses that didn't ring true at all though. You might think you answered it, but I really doubt you feel confident about that. lol at lack of context though.
At this point in time, I really shouldn't have to prove Thor can break his shield without going all out. I could requote it, but then again, I could also move onto another decade and surely find an entirely new set of scans.
Either way the end result is the same; excuses being made for why 30 different beings can smash his shield, and why Thor couldn't repeat it.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Regarding Thor's attacks, Strange has already took em. In New Avengers #34, the current Strange (who most consider a noob) took on the whole Avengers team. He withstood a bolt from Thor that freed the team from the Crimson Bands with no shield and got right back up and immediately incapacitated Rulk. Later in the fight he shielded himself from a lightining attack from Thor at ground zero and directly after that shielded a blast from Ms. Marvel. This Strange wasn't even a Sorceror Supreme and had non of his standard gear.
He got blown away from a blast that hit Thor directly and blew the entire team back.
http://i41.tinypic.com/k0olg3.jpgYou know who was closer to that attack than Strange? Everyone. Including Daredevil, Black Widow, and the like.
But yes he did take what looked like a weak lightning attack by Thor, and then he got trashed by Ms Marvel while he was using his shield...
http://i40.tinypic.com/11mgjk7.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/k2zkvn.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/e8vcxy.jpg
Unless we think Thor was using an actual powerful attack there, and Ms Marvel is more powerful than Thor... Not the best evidence on your end.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Good for GR...even tho Doc was never out of it at any time. He even brushed off the hellfire with no shield. Just because you tell your opponent to "hold up" doesn't mean you're necessarily hanging on for dear life. The only reason GR got those couple of licks off in the beginning was because Strange held back trying to figure out if it was Blaze or not.
He was glowing almost the entire fight, and had sparkles around him in the shape of a shield right before the hellfire.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/GR03_11.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/GR03_20.jpg
He was definitely dazed and the "hold up" definitely stopped him from getting attacked.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/GR03_06.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/GR03_07.jpg
I have my doubts he was completely unshielded. Although irrelevant as well considering Thor>>>>Ghost Rider.
But at the end of the day, them both being in a position to being beaten is ultimately irrelevant considering Ghost Rider did win.
And that was the first time Ghost Rider used hellfire in that incarnation too. Should have seen him at the end of that run, he was way more powerful.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah it means alot. Doramammu's magic attacks have been accounted for so why not Thor's? They're capable of stopping each other which is why I gave a split in this matchup.
Because Thor doesn't do enchantments/spells like Dormammu.
His attacks are laced with magic, that's not something you can account for unless he can completely stop Thor's attacks. That's the job for a shield.
And his shield IMO is questionable, but I digress.
Strange can account for his attacks via a shield. Thor can account for his attacks via absorption. If they stand in front of each other and blast away. Although that would be an absolutely dreadful idea for Strange.
But I don't have much problems with people saying split since I realize it's tough to sway from your 'guy'. What I take issues with is people under the assumption that Strange is clearly a whole tier higher than Thor like this lord fellow here.
Originally posted by Sundipped
What's that supposed to prove? Doc's shield is not composed of the gases that constitute a sun. It can be blocked.
Playing dumb doesn't work.
You brought up Strange's shield blocking the heat of the sun, and I said Thor's lightning has proven more potent than the heat of the sun to the point of effecting someone way more durable than Dormammu.
IE Thor was more powerful in that example.
Originally posted by Sundipped
In all likelyhood that bolt from Strange was totally mystical in origin being that he uttered a spell right beforehand. And once again..why would he opt to summon a typical storm instead of just firing the most potent attack of a storm which would be the bolt? I think he knows the typical elements of a storm like wind/rain/hail etc. (by way of not having knowledge of this BS counter weakness) would be useless against Strange.
He uttered the spell to attract it on a calm day.
Because he can do both, again. Hell, he can fire off lightning while he's summoning storms.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok so now we can throw out how the lightining originated but while we're on the subject of that scan, tell me how Thor would fare if that bolt struck him like it did GR? Remember GR's body was symmetrically seperated. And no, there will be no Mjolnir defense because that spell is designed to have the opposition in a state of bewilderment before the strike like GR was.
Considering Ghost Rider is way less durable than Thor, unless we're of the opinion that Jack'O Lantern's gun can blow off Thor's head:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Ghost%20Rider/img017-1.jpgI don't think much of it. And considering Thor controls the shit out of lightning, I really don't think much of it.
The spell "bewildered" Ghost Rider because it initially did nothing but conjure up/attract lightning.
