Originally posted by Femi32Avengers 2 came out. I didn't like it as much as the first. Now I'll weigh in again after I see the uncut version but avengers 1 is better than the batman films which drag on multiple watches.
It's funny Quanchi is changing his tune on The Avengers. It was only a year ago that he was explaining to me in a separate forum on this site that the first installment of Avengers is better than the last two Nolan-Batman movies. I didn't read anything from him that Whedon was overrated back then.
Originally posted by Inhumanyou can't in 1 movie present a super AI that is light years ahead of Jarvis and then an hour later have Jarvis stalemate him. That's horrible writing.
Jarvis was only changing the codes so Ultron wouldn't launch the nukes.
Im sure eventually Ultron would prevail. It was only a matter of time. Jarvis was basically staling Ultron as much as he could.
That is all Jarvis was doing. He wasnt controlling the world police thing anymore.Its a comic book movie.
In the same movie we have a big chunk of hawkeye's torso being reconstructed in minutes by a laser.
We also have super powered beings and impossible stuff happening all around and "this" is what is unbelievable to you ? 😂Another thing you missed at the end of AOU you pretty much see that fury was secretly trying to bring back Shield from the dead.
He sort of accomplishes it as well.Did you even watch the movie? Or just read some reviews that some edgelord was pointing out insignificant flaws?
So Klaw knows the woman who invented the cradle, Helen Cho? Poor point, Hawkeye got immediate medical attention from Widow & an evac from Thor
...WHY? Fury could have come out after Redford's defeat. It's a loose thread at best, an obvious way to excuse him from their TV show.
...lol, I've been arguing point for point the plot of the movie. Derp.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
[B]you can't in 1 movie present a super AI that is light years ahead of Jarvis and then an hour later have Jarvis stalemate him. That's horrible writing.
It was a temporary stall. It wasn't going to last long. Plus Ultron was doing a bunch of other things at once. Finding and acquiring vibranium, recruiting the twins, making tons of drones, building the anti gravity machine under an entire city, Finding Dr. Cho, Making the new body for himself, etc, etc.
Im sure if Ultron was 100% focused on trumping jarvis , he would have done it in no time.
So Klaw knows the woman who invented the cradle, Helen Cho? Poor point, Hawkeye got immediate medical attention from Widow & an evac from Thor
Ok so let me get this straight , you have a problem with U.Klaw surviving having his arm cut off ?
Since when does having a limb getting cut off been mortal in a movie? Very very few times and non that I can recall in a movie not based on reality.
Game of thrones: jaime Lanister get his hand cut off. Lives. And with no modern sanitation or medicine. In the real world he would have died from infection or blood loss. BUT its just a show.
Walking dead: Hershel gets bitten by a zombie and rick cuts off his leg. He lives. Again with little to no medicine and no real sanitation. In the real world he would have been dead.
Does Klaw surviving really bother you that much, in a comic book movie?
...WHY? Fury could have come out after Redford's defeat. It's a loose thread at best, an obvious way to excuse him from their TV show.
Why would Fury come out after the end of Winter Soldier? Shield was dead. The public saw shield as an evil organisation that was filled with hydra.
The government wanted to shut down Shield and any of the known shield bases around the planet.
It would have been highly stupid to come out so soon with all the Shield backlash going on.
You are criticizing Fury for letting the bad vibes die down a bit before making his move? He was also most likely doing investigating behind the scenes to see who was really loyal to the old shield and who could be trusted, etc.
Your suggestion makes ZERO sense.
...lol, I've been arguing point for point the plot of the movie. Derp.
If your minor complaints ruined the movie for you then , cool.
I dodnt think the film was perfect either but I still enjoyed it.
Guess im not the type to let small insignificant oversights ruin the whole movie for me.
Plus your complaints are ridiculous as your misconceptions were easily understood by most that saw the film. I even tried to explain the stuff you supposedly didn't understand.
I think you are just trying hard to find faults in a movie you obviously didn't enjoy.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
you can't in 1 movie present a super AI that is light years ahead of Jarvis and then an hour later have Jarvis stalemate him. That's horrible writing.So Klaw knows the woman who invented the cradle, Helen Cho? Poor point, Hawkeye got immediate medical attention from Widow & an evac from Thor
...WHY? Fury could have come out after Redford's defeat. It's a loose thread at best, an obvious way to excuse him from their TV show.
...lol, I've been arguing point for point the plot of the movie. Derp.
Who said Ultron is light years away from Jarvis? I dont remember that being stated in the film. Also, Jarvis doesn't need to be more powerful in order to secure the nuclear codes from Ultron.
That's because the avengers actually care about Hawkeye. With Hulk going crazy and Ultron planning human extinction, the avengers had more pressing matters than an injured factory owner. It's a minor point anyways and who's to say Klaw didn't have his own treatment facilities.
The movies don't care enough about the tv show to give Fury a subplot solely to avoid movie/tv conflict. Essentially what happened in tws is that Fury retired to pursue his own private endeavors.
Originally posted by Firefly218tony, when he used his magical card dealy that makes holograms. Yes he does, he was stated as being a faster hacker than Ultron...
Who said Ultron is light years away from Jarvis? I dont remember that being stated in the film. Also, Jarvis doesn't need to be more powerful in order to secure the nuclear codes from Ultron.That's because the avengers actually care about Hawkeye. With Hulk going crazy and Ultron planning human extinction, the avengers had more pressing matters than an injured factory owner. It's a minor point anyways and who's to say Klaw didn't have his own treatment facilities.
The movies don't care enough about the tv show to give Fury a subplot solely to avoid movie/tv conflict. Essentially what happened in tws is that Fury retired to pursue his own private endeavors.
I agree they couldn't evac Klaw quickly but they don't even look for him. Tony knows he's an arms dealer.
Sure, they gave him a subplot they abandoned in the very next movie chronologically. He told Cap he was going to Europe at the end of Winter Soldier, but he appears to have just been in hiding fixing his Helicarrier that was apparently destroyed off screen at some point.
Anyone got any guesses why Patriot was retired and War Machine is back?
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I agree they couldn't evac Klaw quickly but they don't even look for him. Tony knows he's an arms dealer.
Worrying about Ultron and the Twins while being mind ****ed by scarlet witch, and having Hulk rampaging in the city >>>>>>> Worrying about some arms dealer.
Anyone got any guesses why Patriot was retired and War Machine is back?
Maybe because Iron Patriot tried to kill the president of the united states in IM3. Whomever's fault that was, Iron Patriot as a public figure wasn't going to work out anymore after that little incident.
starting to think you havent really watch any of the films your talking about, or didnt pay attention to what was going on 😬
Originally posted by Inhuman
If I remember correctly. Banner asked tony why Jarvis was changing the codes. Something like "Why would he do that "
Tony responds with , "Because that's his job"
Jarvis was in charge of the world protection program tony was trying to implement. That was probably one of the tasks and protocols jarvis was programmed to do by tony.I didnt mind the cave scene. It showed Thor was really concerned about what he saw in the SW activated dream sequence.
What do you mean in the middle of nowhere? The "ship graveyard" was his secret base. He probably knew the "ins" and "outs" of that place.
They didnt show him getting away but it was implied. Dont know why this is hard to understand.well , he is the ultimate spy, so he has his reasons.
Dont question sam jackson 😬
Originally posted by InhumanThese explanations are well-thought out and based on the quibbles being spammed, completely undeserved.
It was a temporary stall. It wasn't going to last long. Plus Ultron was doing a bunch of other things at once. Finding and acquiring vibranium, recruiting the twins, making tons of drones, building the anti gravity machine under an entire city, Finding Dr. Cho, Making the new body for himself, etc, etc.
Im sure if Ultron was 100% focused on trumping jarvis , he would have done it in no time.Ok so let me get this straight , you have a problem with U.Klaw surviving having his arm cut off ?
Since when does having a limb getting cut off been mortal in a movie?Why would Fury come out after the end of Winter Soldier? Shield was dead. The public saw shield as an evil organisation that was filled with hydra.
The government wanted to shut down Shield and any of the known shield bases around the planet.
It would have been highly stupid to come out so soon with all the Shield backlash going on.
You are criticizing Fury for letting the bad vibes die down a bit before making his move? He was also most likely doing investigating behind the scenes to see who was really loyal to the old shield and who could be trusted, etc.
Your suggestion makes ZERO sense.
Haters gonna hate.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
The nitpicking of all the Marvel movies has long since gotten old. It's like people are only happy if every last thing that happens in these movies makes perfect real world sense and everyone reacts and thinks like real world people would. It's a movie.
Let's not kid ourselves, people have been doing this to all movies not just Marvel ones. In fact, I've only seen many people nitpick IM3 and AoU.
^ I never understood the casual haterade of Iron Man 3. I thought it was the best Iron Man. Sure, the original is a solid movie and gets high marks for basically creating the Marvel genre of superhero films... but Iron Man 3 was just such a solid movie from start to finish. It's got the best script, imo. The scene where he has to save the Airforce One staff is easily the most thrilling scene of all Marvel movies. And I personally loved the Mandarin twist -- the product of a super-genius think-tank to create the ultimate terrorist threat to target and destabilize America's security, thus making it a more conducive environment to your own weapons development/manufacturing? Genius.
Never understood why anybody cared about the legacy of the comic book character, Mandarin. He's probably the most ineffectual supervillain nemesis of all time from an objective point of view. Seriously, who gives a phuck about him? Luthor, Doom, Magneto, Loki, Thanos, Darkseid, Doomsday... yea, I get these are icons. Mandarin was never an icon. Marvel and Shane Black deconstructed the pulpy origins of the character and I thought it worked brilliantly.
Originally posted by ODG
^ I never understood the casual haterade of Iron Man 3. I thought it was the best Iron Man. Sure, the original is a solid movie and gets high marks for basically creating the Marvel genre of superhero films... but Iron Man 3 was just such a solid movie from start to finish. It's got the best script, imo. The scene where he has to save the Airforce One staff is easily the most thrilling scene of all Marvel movies. And I personally loved the Mandarin twist -- the product of a super-genius think-tank to create the ultimate terrorist threat to target and destabilize America's security, thus making it a more conducive environment to your own weapons development/manufacturing? Genius.Never understood why anybody cared about the legacy of the comic book character, Mandarin. He's probably the most ineffectual supervillain nemesis of all time from an objective point of view. Seriously, who gives a phuck about him? Luthor, Doom, Magneto, Loki, Thanos, Darkseid, Doomsday... yea, I get these are icons. Mandarin was never an icon. Marvel and Shane Black deconstructed the pulpy origins of the character and I thought it worked brilliantly.
I thought the humor was pretty bad. At first I enjoyed about half the movie, but the last half wasn't very good pacing wise and the humor left me cold. Same with the Thor movies. If they were to just cut out the horrible humor/ and romance the movie would be a lot better.
Originally posted by ODG
^ I never understood the casual haterade of Iron Man 3. I thought it was the best Iron Man. Sure, the original is a solid movie and gets high marks for basically creating the Marvel genre of superhero films... but Iron Man 3 was just such a solid movie from start to finish. It's got the best script, imo. The scene where he has to save the Airforce One staff is easily the most thrilling scene of all Marvel movies. And I personally loved the Mandarin twist -- the product of a super-genius think-tank to create the ultimate terrorist threat to target and destabilize America's security, thus making it a more conducive environment to your own weapons development/manufacturing? Genius.Never understood why anybody cared about the legacy of the comic book character, Mandarin. He's probably the most ineffectual supervillain nemesis of all time from an objective point of view. Seriously, who gives a phuck about him? Luthor, Doom, Magneto, Loki, Thanos, Darkseid, Doomsday... yea, I get these are icons. Mandarin was never an icon. Marvel and Shane Black deconstructed the pulpy origins of the character and I thought it worked brilliantly.
I didn't mind the Mandarin twist. Didnt ruin the movie for me, but other things did ruin the movie for me.
These are the reasons I disliked it. Ill try to keep it short.
- It was basically "The adventures of tony stark" more than an Ironman movie. It felt like it was an experiment to see if RDJ could carry an Ironman movie without relying on actual Ironman.
- Seemed like all his suits in that movie would fall apart if he bumped into the wall by accident. Before that Tonys suit(s) withstood, Thor, falling from great heights, laser blasts, gun fire, crashing through walls, explosions and some more feats im forgetting from Avengers, IM1&2.
- While I didn't mind the "kid" tony befriended, that whole story arc seemed forced and out of place.
- Wasnt a fan of how the extremis people were portrayed. The fire breathing was kinda ridiculous.
IMO this is personally why i didnt enjoy that movie. I can see how some people enjoyed this film. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
Originally posted by Inhuman- Tony Stark is the best part of the movie though. Otherwise, if it was just about the armor, you're left with War Machine.
I didn't mind the Mandarin twist. Didnt ruin the movie for me, but other things did ruin the movie for me.
These are the reasons I disliked it. Ill try to keep it short.- It was basically "The adventures of tony stark" more than an Ironman movie. It felt like it was an experiment to see if RDJ could carry an Ironman movie without relying on actual Ironman.
- Seemed like all his suits in that movie would fall apart if he bumped into the wall by accident. Before that Tonys suit(s) withstood, Thor, falling from great heights, laser blasts, gun fire, crashing through walls, explosions and some more feats im forgetting from Avengers, IM1&2.
- While I didn't mind the "kid" tony befriended, that whole story arc seemed forced and out of place.
- Wasnt a fan of how the extremis people were portrayed. The fire breathing was kinda ridiculous.IMO this is personally why i didnt enjoy that movie. I can see how some people enjoyed this film. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
Originally posted by ODG
- Tony Stark is the best part of the movie though. Otherwise, if it was just about the armor, you're left with War Machine.
- Those suits, especially the Mark 42, were the product of a sleep-deprived, PTSD-addled Stark in the wake of Avengers. I think their shoddiness was reflective of Stark's psyche.
- "Dads leave. No need to be a p#ssy about it." 😂
- Ripped from the pages of the comics. Never understood that about Extremis either. I guess there were some comics purists who were happy about it?
They could have at least balanced it better like at least 70 - 30 tony to ironman ratio. But that would be impossible because of the plot of the movie demanded tony be out of his suit for most of the movie.
heh, good theory on the durability of the suits.
Fair enough on all other points. like I said , I can see how people would like this film.