Avengers 2: Age of Ultron

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm not leaving OS out,

Originally posted by Golgo13
but domestic is more important for BO results.

Originally posted by Golgo13
AOU will land around 440-450. That's a good number, but lower than the 1st Avengers and TDKR.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I know, right? There are message boards just for box office speculation. Do people really care about this stuff so much? Kinda sad, IMO, but to each his own.

That last quoted post from Golgo had me rolling... Especially the "Kinda sad" part. 😂

He has been trolling this thread with his "bocks offise numbaz R da truf!!!111!!!!1!" dick-riding for SEVERAL pages now, but when a WB/DC comic film fails to deliver, all of the sudden box office earnings magically become irrelevant. Lmao, pathetic.

I have a few predictions:
1.) Golgo will run in and try to pull the victim card.
2.) Golgo will mention a few other posters who didn't like AoU, in order to try and deflect the attention away from himself.
3.) Golgo will mention parts of the film he supposedly liked, in order to try and deflect the attention away from his trolling.

These are his methods. His only methods. 👆

Okay time for my in depth review of Avengers Age of Ultron after my second viewing. So it does not seem like people are having problems posting spoilers so I won't either. So warning there will be spoilers below.

Once again there will be Spoilers Below if you do not want to read them skip this post.

Now that is out of the way let us talk Avengers. Now I will have to compare this to the original Avengers. Normally I try to avoid comparing movies but I've made the statement, and continue to believe this statement, that this is better than the original Avengers. I will explain why. Now the criteria I judge this on could be different than another's as most of this is all opinion based anyways.

So I thinkhow the characters were handled in this movie was much better than in the Avengers. Yes Whedon tried to give every Avenger one shining moment and some time but in the end I honestly felt like Avengers 1 was the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner show. They seemed to get the best everything from scenes/interactions/good comedy/etc.

I'm going into more detail about the above comment so I can further explain why I think AoU did such a better job juggling the characters.

First major selling point to me was I thought character interactions in this movie were leaps and bounds better than the first. One of my biggest gripes was how stupid Captain America seemed compared to Tony. In Avengers they tried to show how different the two were but it really just came off as Steve seemingly looking pompous and Tony just squashing him verbally. They did a much better job in AoU of having Captain America not only being able to hold his own against Tony but actually making valid and intelligent counter points.

And this goes for all of the characters. Their interactions seemed natural, genuine, and it actually felt like time and effort had been put in to making each character interesting when interacting with another. There is not one scene in the Avengers that comes close to capturing the chemistry of the party scenes in AoU. Not even one on one interactions with characters. And it is not like the party scenes were the only good interactions in AoU it pretty much continued throughout the story.

I also felt, minus Tony/Banner, that the different characters not only did better interacting with each other but that each character was written better in this movie and they each had more impact. In Avengers 1 each character had their moment but often times it was only briefly until Tony/Hulk filled in the rest.

In AoU I felt everyone had much more chance to shine. Now AoU did not perfectly balance every character which is probably impossible and honestly some characters need slightly better scenes and dialogue to be more important like Hawkeye. Or to get them up to speed if they are newcomers like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. So adding a little extra focus is okay but I never felt like the other characters were backups to them. Which like I said in Avengers 1 I felt like you could have titled the movie Iron Man/Hulk and friends and no one would have second guessed it.

Now with that being said I did not really like the Black Widow Brice Banner romantic subplot. Although it wasn't nearly as bad on second viewing. Mostly because they did have some tender moments which helped. Still it did seem somewhat forced.

Now I'm going to go over Villains. I actually liked Ultron a lot and think Spader did a fantastic job with this character. The almost child-like way Ultron interacted with the world mixed with a cunning computer was great. Especially the scene where he gets compared to Tony Stark or when he first comes online. Was he has good as Loki probably not but at the same time Tom had already had one movie under his belt to refine the character.

Action wise I think this movie outshines Avengers by leaps and bounds. Every character gets a chance to be awesome over and over. The opening battle sequence was amazing. The Hulkbuster/Hulk fight was great. The final battle I was never bored for a second. Of course this movie did not have the defining Leviathan punch scene like the original Avengers had.

These are the reasons I think AoU is better than Avengers.

Thor given the least screen time in this movie out of all the Avengers except Vision:

http://screenrant.com/avengers-age-of-ultron-characters-screen-time/

Difference between Thor and Vision of course is Vision

Spoiler:
only came into the movie towards the end

So how can anyone honestly say Thor wasn't screwed in this movie?

Also the 2 characters with the most screen time were (no surprises for guessing it right) Cap and IM. Considering we're getting Cap vs IM next year i really don't see how that's balancing out the Big 4 Avengers.

Thor certainly could've been used better, but I still think he wasn't screwed. His characterization was spot on, he was arguably the strongest/most powerful, there was reasoning shown for Thor's absence. While he wasn't used very well in the movie, to say he got screwed is a little overexxageration. Thor being screwed would look very very different.

I do agree though that thor has been the most shortchanged major character in the MCU, so here's hoping he kicks ass in Ragnarok and Infinity War.

Originally posted by Galan007
That last quoted post from Golgo had me rolling... Especially the "Kinda sad" part. 😂

He has been trolling this thread with his "bocks offise numbaz R da truf!!!111!!!!1!" dick-riding for SEVERAL pages now, but when a WB/DC comic film fails to deliver, all of the sudden box office earnings magically become irrelevant. Lmao, pathetic.

I have a few predictions:
1.) Golgo will run in and try to pull the victim card.
2.) Golgo will mention a few other posters who didn't like AoU, in order to try and deflect the attention away from himself.
3.) Golgo will mention parts of the film he supposedly liked, in order to try and deflect the attention away from his trolling.

These are his methods. His only methods. 👆

👆

I want to see his box office posts and links of doom and gloom when BvS comes out. Or articles about people saying that it is underperforming or not living up to the hype.

But it will most likely be these kinds of posts....
"BvS is set to shatter the amount of money man of steel made"
"This is great news for the DC Universe"
I'ts on pace to break a billion "
"Im sure the justice league movie will make more than Avengers"

Etc etc

Originally posted by Newjak
Okay time for my in depth review of Avengers Age of Ultron after my second viewing. So it does not seem like people are having problems posting spoilers so I won't either. So warning there will be spoilers below.

Once again there will be [b]Spoilers Below if you do not want to read them skip this post.

Now that is out of the way let us talk Avengers. Now I will have to compare this to the original Avengers. Normally I try to avoid comparing movies but I've made the statement, and continue to believe this statement, that this is better than the original Avengers. I will explain why. Now the criteria I judge this on could be different than another's as most of this is all opinion based anyways.

So I thinkhow the characters were handled in this movie was much better than in the Avengers. Yes Whedon tried to give every Avenger one shining moment and some time but in the end I honestly felt like Avengers 1 was the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner show. They seemed to get the best everything from scenes/interactions/good comedy/etc.

I'm going into more detail about the above comment so I can further explain why I think AoU did such a better job juggling the characters.

First major selling point to me was I thought character interactions in this movie were leaps and bounds better than the first. One of my biggest gripes was how stupid Captain America seemed compared to Tony. In Avengers they tried to show how different the two were but it really just came off as Steve seemingly looking pompous and Tony just squashing him verbally. They did a much better job in AoU of having Captain America not only being able to hold his own against Tony but actually making valid and intelligent counter points.

And this goes for all of the characters. Their interactions seemed natural, genuine, and it actually felt like time and effort had been put in to making each character interesting when interacting with another. There is not one scene in the Avengers that comes close to capturing the chemistry of the party scenes in AoU. Not even one on one interactions with characters. And it is not like the party scenes were the only good interactions in AoU it pretty much continued throughout the story.

I also felt, minus Tony/Banner, that the different characters not only did better interacting with each other but that each character was written better in this movie and they each had more impact. In Avengers 1 each character had their moment but often times it was only briefly until Tony/Hulk filled in the rest.

In AoU I felt everyone had much more chance to shine. Now AoU did not perfectly balance every character which is probably impossible and honestly some characters need slightly better scenes and dialogue to be more important like Hawkeye. Or to get them up to speed if they are newcomers like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. So adding a little extra focus is okay but I never felt like the other characters were backups to them. Which like I said in Avengers 1 I felt like you could have titled the movie Iron Man/Hulk and friends and no one would have second guessed it.

Now with that being said I did not really like the Black Widow Brice Banner romantic subplot. Although it wasn't nearly as bad on second viewing. Mostly because they did have some tender moments which helped. Still it did seem somewhat forced.

Now I'm going to go over Villains. I actually liked Ultron a lot and think Spader did a fantastic job with this character. The almost child-like way Ultron interacted with the world mixed with a cunning computer was great. Especially the scene where he gets compared to Tony Stark or when he first comes online. Was he has good as Loki probably not but at the same time Tom had already had one movie under his belt to refine the character.

Action wise I think this movie outshines Avengers by leaps and bounds. Every character gets a chance to be awesome over and over. The opening battle sequence was amazing. The Hulkbuster/Hulk fight was great. The final battle I was never bored for a second. Of course this movie did not have the defining Leviathan punch scene like the original Avengers had.

These are the reasons I think AoU is better than Avengers. [/B]

👆
Nice review.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thor given the least screen time in this movie out of all the Avengers except Vision:

http://screenrant.com/avengers-age-of-ultron-characters-screen-time/

Difference between Thor and Vision of course is Vision

Spoiler:
only came into the movie towards the end

, plus Vision was the highlight of the movie IMO. Whilst Thor didn't have any particular stand out scene.

So how can anyone honestly say Thor wasn't screwed in this movie?

Also the 2 characters with the most screen time were (no surprises for guessing it right) Cap and IM. Considering we're getting Cap vs IM next year i really don't see how that's balancing out the Big 4 Avengers.

Well he had that city buster moment.
The reason I think he gets this treatment (which I dislike as well) is so he won't make the others look useless. It's unfair but I think that's why they do it.
Thor 1 actually did a decent job with his power level. After that though he hasn't come close to that level in all the movies he has been in since.

Originally posted by Newjak
Okay time for my in depth review of Avengers Age of Ultron after my second viewing. So it does not seem like people are having problems posting spoilers so I won't either. So warning there will be spoilers below.

Once again there will be [b]Spoilers Below if you do not want to read them skip this post.

Now that is out of the way let us talk Avengers. Now I will have to compare this to the original Avengers. Normally I try to avoid comparing movies but I've made the statement, and continue to believe this statement, that this is better than the original Avengers. I will explain why. Now the criteria I judge this on could be different than another's as most of this is all opinion based anyways.

So I thinkhow the characters were handled in this movie was much better than in the Avengers. Yes Whedon tried to give every Avenger one shining moment and some time but in the end I honestly felt like Avengers 1 was the Tony Stark/Bruce Banner show. They seemed to get the best everything from scenes/interactions/good comedy/etc.

I'm going into more detail about the above comment so I can further explain why I think AoU did such a better job juggling the characters.

First major selling point to me was I thought character interactions in this movie were leaps and bounds better than the first. One of my biggest gripes was how stupid Captain America seemed compared to Tony. In Avengers they tried to show how different the two were but it really just came off as Steve seemingly looking pompous and Tony just squashing him verbally. They did a much better job in AoU of having Captain America not only being able to hold his own against Tony but actually making valid and intelligent counter points.

And this goes for all of the characters. Their interactions seemed natural, genuine, and it actually felt like time and effort had been put in to making each character interesting when interacting with another. There is not one scene in the Avengers that comes close to capturing the chemistry of the party scenes in AoU. Not even one on one interactions with characters. And it is not like the party scenes were the only good interactions in AoU it pretty much continued throughout the story.

I also felt, minus Tony/Banner, that the different characters not only did better interacting with each other but that each character was written better in this movie and they each had more impact. In Avengers 1 each character had their moment but often times it was only briefly until Tony/Hulk filled in the rest.

In AoU I felt everyone had much more chance to shine. Now AoU did not perfectly balance every character which is probably impossible and honestly some characters need slightly better scenes and dialogue to be more important like Hawkeye. Or to get them up to speed if they are newcomers like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. So adding a little extra focus is okay but I never felt like the other characters were backups to them. Which like I said in Avengers 1 I felt like you could have titled the movie Iron Man/Hulk and friends and no one would have second guessed it.

Now with that being said I did not really like the Black Widow Brice Banner romantic subplot. Although it wasn't nearly as bad on second viewing. Mostly because they did have some tender moments which helped. Still it did seem somewhat forced.

Now I'm going to go over Villains. I actually liked Ultron a lot and think Spader did a fantastic job with this character. The almost child-like way Ultron interacted with the world mixed with a cunning computer was great. Especially the scene where he gets compared to Tony Stark or when he first comes online. Was he has good as Loki probably not but at the same time Tom had already had one movie under his belt to refine the character.

Action wise I think this movie outshines Avengers by leaps and bounds. Every character gets a chance to be awesome over and over. The opening battle sequence was amazing. The Hulkbuster/Hulk fight was great. The final battle I was never bored for a second. Of course this movie did not have the defining Leviathan punch scene like the original Avengers had.

These are the reasons I think AoU is better than Avengers. [/B]

👆

Originally posted by ODG
Actually, you did. And here you're still trying to justify leaving it out on absolutely no basis whatsoever. Your predictions have been laughably incorrect ever since you decided to foment this WB vs MCU crusade. And to find you harping on about this when you've made posts like this in the past leads me to believe you're just a complete troll: Take your own advice and go to a box office forum.

😂 Still butt hurt? I'm only comparing domestic here, chief. Avengers will finish lower than #1.

Originally posted by Galan007
That last quoted post from Golgo had me rolling... Especially the "Kinda sad" part. 😂

He has been trolling this thread with his "bocks offise numbaz R da truf!!!111!!!!1!" dick-riding for SEVERAL pages now, but when a WB/DC comic film fails to deliver, all of the sudden box office earnings magically become irrelevant. Lmao, pathetic.

I have a few predictions:
1.) Golgo will run in and try to pull the victim card.
2.) Golgo will mention a few other posters who didn't like AoU, in order to try and deflect the attention away from himself.
3.) Golgo will mention parts of the film he supposedly liked, in order to try and deflect the attention away from his trolling.

These are his methods. His only methods. 👆

Like I said, if this movie were to break BO records, people would be praising the hell out of it, just like the OTHER Avengers thread, but once someone brings up that it didn't, it's trolling. Nope, you're the only one that is trolling here.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thor given the least screen time in this movie out of all the Avengers except Vision:

http://screenrant.com/avengers-age-of-ultron-characters-screen-time/

Difference between Thor and Vision of course is Vision

Spoiler:
only came into the movie towards the end

, plus Vision was the highlight of the movie IMO. Whilst Thor didn't have any particular stand out scene.

So how can anyone honestly say Thor wasn't screwed in this movie?

Also the 2 characters with the most screen time were (no surprises for guessing it right) Cap and IM. Considering we're getting Cap vs IM next year i really don't see how that's balancing out the Big 4 Avengers.

Maybe he had more screen time in Avengers 1 but it wasn't much quality. His best scenes were with Loki and the Hulk fight imo.

I do hope in the upcoming Avengers movies he will have more screen time with more quality.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Like I said, if this movie were to break BO records, people would be praising the hell out of it, just like the OTHER Avengers thread, but once someone brings up that it didn't, it's trolling.

It's made $875 Million WW in 2 weeks of International and 1 week of domestic box office. And it's not even opened in China yet 😬

If people wanted to show off about it's box office success, they have plenty there to show off about. I really doubt a lesser than A1 Domestic total would stop anyone bragging tbh.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree Thor has been short changed but compared to the first Avengers I still think Thor made out much better in AoU.

Maybe he had more screen time in Avengers 1 but it wasn't much quality. His best scenes were with Loki and the Hulk fight imo.

I do hope in the upcoming Avengers movies he will have more screen time with more quality.

His scenes in #1 were definitely more fun, although my favorite scene in #2 is where everyone is trying to lift his hammer. 😂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's made $875 Million WW in 2 weeks of International and 1 week of domestic box office. And it's not even opened in China yet 😬

If people wanted to show off about it's box office success, they have plenty there to show off about. I really doubt a lesser than A1 Domestic total would stop anyone bragging tbh.

I've already stated that it will do big bucks overseas. No denying that. Markets have expanded. I just brought up domestic, because I was sort of shocked it didn't match TA 1. Don't bring up the boxing match, because TA 1 in it's second weekend brought in 100 plus M. This weekend? 77. Not a bad number by any means, but underwhelming in terms of domestic.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree Thor has been short changed but compared to the first Avengers I still think Thor made out much better in AoU.

Completely disagree.

I think he was short changed on screen time, epic moments, and usefulness.

His biggest moment in this one IMO was him interfering in Cap/IM's fight and awakening Ultron. But then even that ended up being more of an Ultron moment/scene.

Originally posted by Newjak
Maybe he had more screen time in Avengers 1 but it wasn't much quality. His best scenes were with Loki and the Hulk fight imo.

Those were stand out scenes! As was his first appearance when he takes Loki then dukes it out with IM.

There's no real stand out scene in this one IMO. Apart from a couple of comedic ones. But nothing was as funny as the "He's Adopted" joke or Hulk sucker punching Thor in A1 IMO.

Originally posted by Newjak
I do hope in the upcoming Avengers movies he will have more screen time with more quality.

You see the way I see it, they can give some of the main/important/bigger characters a small amount of screen time, as long as they have big moments when they're on the screen.

A good example would be Quicksilver in DOFP. He was only in 1 small section of the movie, but he wound up being the highlight of the movie.

Same with Hulk in A1. He didn't have much screen time at all, but he had all the best moments in A1, so you hardly notice that he has the smallest amount of screen time in that movie.

That's all I wanted from Thor, a couple of stand out scenes, that you're talking about when you leave the movie. He gets that, then I don't need him to compete for screen time with Cap or IM. But as it was, Cap and IM got both the screen time and the best fights and the best moments in the film.

Wanda had better scenes than Thor.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I just brought up domestic, because I was sort of shocked it didn't match TA 1.

I'm not. I explained before Avengers 1 was the first time anything like that was done.

It took the superhero franchise to a whole new level.

So even if AOU was better than A1, I'm not convinced it would have made as much as A1 - "Domestically."

Can't just expect each sequel to do better and better when you're talking numbers that Big.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Wanda had better scenes than Thor.

She had more screen time as well. As did QS, BW and Hawkeye.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm not. I explained before Avengers 1 was the first time anything like that was done.

It took the superhero franchise to a whole new level.

So even if AOU was better than A1, I'm not convinced it would have made as much as A1 - "Domestically."

Can't just expect each sequel to do better and better when you're talking numbers that Big.

She had more screen time as well. As did QS, BW and Hawkeye.

Yeah, I guess some of the novelty wore off. What were your predictions if you had any?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, I guess some of the novelty wore off. What were your predictions if you had any?

None really. I mean I knew it would be Huge. But was just really looking forward to the film and was a little disappointed. Now I'm just looking forward to Spider-Man joining the MCU. That will break some box office records for sure.