from my basic understanding, and refusal to read anything about any of them.
A multiverse is a shit ton of universes
A Megaverse is a shit ton of multiverses. Which is just... for ****'s sake
A Metaverse is pretty much a fiction verse. Like if I, or let's say a comic character like Batman were to write a universe where Superman was straight, it'd be in there. It's pretty much the fiction of the universes.
I'm going to ignore the Ideaverse since I just heard of it here.
And an Omniverse is a collection ervrythang (within that company).
Mind you, that sounds an awfully lot like a Megaverse, minus assuming that a Megaverse doesn't contain the Metaverse and the Omniverse does.
But I guess we assume that there are multiple Megaverses like there are Multiverses I guess.
Which both are retarded since a multiverse is supposed to be infinite, but I digress.
Although that scan with LT does seem to indicate there's only one megaverse per company... unless we ignore the DC angle and instead attribute it all to Marvel.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSounds about right. 👆
from my basic understanding, and refusal to read anything about any of them.A multiverse is a shit ton of universes
A Megaverse is a shit ton of multiverses. Which is just... for ****'s sake
A Metaverse is pretty much a fiction verse. Like if I, or let's say a comic character like Batman were to write a universe where Superman was straight, it'd be in there. It's pretty much the fiction of the universes.
I'm going to ignore the Ideaverse since I just heard of it here.
And an Omniverse is a collection ervrythang (within that company).
Mind you, that sounds an awfully lot like a Megaverse, minus assuming that a Megaverse doesn't contain the Metaverse and the Omniverse does.But I guess we assume that there are multiple Megaverses like there are Multiverses I guess.
Which both are retarded since a multiverse is supposed to be infinite, but I digress.Although that scan with LT does seem to indicate there's only one megaverse per company... unless we ignore the DC angle and instead attribute it all to Marvel.
the definitions are not consistent though,
we have the omniverse being defined as being infinite multiverses, from the new exiles #1 letter's page:
http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1 (continuation in the next scan)
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1
you'll also notice that he referred to earth-1218 as being "us here" that's the real world according to marvel, is this a joke? well, apparently not seeing how marvunapp (which is approved by marvel and i can show you evidence to those who like) assigns it as being the real world:
http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm
^look for earth 1218, shouldn't be hard to find since they're listed in order, it says:
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real world that we, readers, live in
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quasar #31, omniverse is continuum of multiverses:
http://i.imgur.com/NjcXoyY.jpg
these are the same definitions that the megaverse has.
so the definitions are not consistent at all, and i could go on, i have many more, but ill leave it here.
Originally posted by operator616I don't think the idea of "metaverse" existed when those comics were produced.
the definitions are not consistent though,we have the omniverse being defined as being infinite multiverses, from the new exiles #1 letter's page:
http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1 (continuation in the next scan)
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1you'll also notice that he referred to earth-1218 as being "us here" that's the real world according to marvel, is this a joke? well, apparently not seeing how marvunapp (which is approved by marvel and i can show you evidence to those who like) assigns it as being the real world:
http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm
^look for earth 1218, shouldn't be hard to find since they're listed in order, it says:
----
real world that we, readers, live in----
quasar #31, omniverse is continuum of multiverses:
http://i.imgur.com/NjcXoyY.jpg
these are the same definitions that the megaverse has.
so the definitions are not consistent at all, and i could go on, i have many more, but ill leave it here.
Like I said, assuming that the omniverse contains the Metaverse, then that's the separator. Unless we also assume that a Megaverse has a threshold and there are multiple megaverses.
Originally posted by operator616
you'll also notice that he referred to earth-1218 as being "us here"
that's the real world according to marvel, is this a joke? well,
apparently not seeing how marvunapp (which is approved by
marvel and i can show you evidence to those who like) assigns it as
being the real world:http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm
^look for earth 1218, shouldn't be hard to find since they're listed in order, it says:
----
real world that we, readers, live in
So basically another alternate universe, but representing our real world.
I think ... ouch, regardless, senseless. 😂
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Although I get the gist of your Enchantress analogy, I am guessing the DC Yggdrasil is not a complete equivalent of the Marvel Yggdrasil.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're correct in that assumption. 👆 dc/vertigo seemed to extend its influence beyond what marvel did. of course, it also throws a monkey wrench into some versions of cosmological continuity, but i guess marvel's tree may have some of the same implications. maybe?
The Marvel World Tree is Multiversal or higher at this point.
Like I said, just because an entity is able to affect creation through damaging the World Tree is not in anyway evidence that they are Multiversal themselves in scope. It's like arguing that a character can collapse a building by taking out a support beam is evidence that they can destroy a building through sheer power.
@bran: and of course that is a large part of the problem. new terminology is constantly being thrown out there. someone gets a cool idea and a new name and suddenly no one knows what is what or where the bounds are. same has always been the case for universe/dimension/reality/world/cosmos etc.... marvel may put out definitions that they CLAIM are rigid and to be adhered to, butttt....... as anyone who reads comics will attest--those goalposts move ALL THE TIME. context and writer intent trumps terminology which is far far too flexible. stances really can't be built in the strength of terminology--at least not in many cases.
Originally posted by leonidasI agree.
@bran: and of course that is a large part of the problem. new terminology is constantly being thrown out there. someone gets a cool idea and a new name and suddenly no one knows what is what or where the bounds are. same has always been the case for universe/dimension/reality/world/cosmos etc.... marvel may put out definitions that they CLAIM are rigid and to be adhered to, butttt....... as anyone who reads comics will attest--those goalposts move ALL THE TIME. context and writer intent trumps terminology which is far far too flexible. stances really can't be built in the strength of terminology--at least not in many cases.
Which is why I'm going to ignore this ideaverse on the state of principle.
^
the ideaverse is a realm where the very concept of characters come from (according to marvel), that's why deadpool wanted to destroy it, because if he does, he'll erase the concepts from which the various characters are build upon (in other words it's the realm of ideas form which characters are formed) , it's also a pocket multiverse, deadpool killustrated #2
http://i.imgur.com/ZRaIZ0x.jpg
so, technically it should be inside the megaverse.
@rageofolympus:
higher than the multiverse? do you have proof of this? id like to hear it
in thor #616 it says that the world tree connects to universes and these are just the tip of an infinite iceberg:
http://i.imgur.com/XLsOGg5.jpg
anyway, ill also have to look in the official handbooks but that'll take time.
It was linked to the Metaverse. That's like a cluster of Multiverses no?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yggrdasil is the Axis Mundi or Cosmic Axis; it exists in all planes of reality, connects all the worlds and it holds the cosmos together.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpgTampering and unleashing its power literally warps all of reality, and if not careful it can destroy all of creation.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpgThe Cosmic Axis also connects to not only the Nine Worlds but a much larger Metaverse structrue:
The feat was impressive because the World Tree is powerful. For something a bit more recent, the entire Galactus arc as about the World Seed, that will bloom and create the next cycle of creation as everything ends, it's power is unending:
Also note that Asgard and all the Nine Worlds are the hearts of their own fully formed Universes like Earth is for the 616, Asgard's is known as Asgard-Space as of Fraction.The Tenth World came from their own Universe which was suffering Entropic Death:
The feat was never impressive because the World Tree is big, it was impressive because the World Tree is powerful. Also, the World Tree is infinitely big, it spans all of space/time, what we see is just a visual representation. For example:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16179239/The_Mighty_Thor_1_013-14.jpg.html
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Marvel World Tree is Multiversal or higher at this point.Like I said, just because an entity is able to affect creation through damaging the World Tree is not in anyway evidence that they are Multiversal themselves in scope. It's like arguing that a character can collapse a building by taking out a support beam is evidence that they can destroy a building through sheer power.
@Bran and operator: I doubt that any of the Marvel definitions of megaverse actually suggest that it's an infinite number of multiverses.
More like an already infinite multiverse plus some additional universes that appear in other Marvel-affiliated comic publications.
infinity+10>infinity or something like that. With it being a Cantorian infinity of course.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was linked to the Metaverse. That's like a cluster of Multiverses no?
no, its definition is mentioned in that same scan you posted - infinite universes. But as i said before, you can't give these terms specific definitions, because some issues state that even the omniverse is only composed of infinite worlds/universes:
new exiles #3:
http://i.imgur.com/esS5vRl.jpg?1
going by this definition, omniverse = multiverse.
there is no solid definition for the metaverse, but i don't see anything that indicates it is more than a multiverse (till now, maybe it will in the near future). infinite universes = multiverse, and nothing more.
that aside, here's a scan of the tree from the 2nd volume of OHOTMU:
http://i.imgur.com/RDu8N2g.jpg
i also remember a representation of the tree in the more recent handbooks, can't seem to find it at the moment.
while i appreciate your efforts for posting this i don't see anything suggesting the tree is linked to more than the multiverse
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@Bran and operator: I doubt that any of the Marvel definitions of megaverse actually suggest that it's an infinite number of multiverses.More like an already infinite multiverse plus some additional universes that appear in other Marvel-affiliated comic publications.
infinity+10>infinity or something like that. With it being a Cantorian infinity of course.
note that the marvel multiverse is already trans-infinite:
doctor strange sorcerer supreme #21:
http://i.imgur.com/ZIee5oB.jpg
but you do have a point, there is no evidence pointing toward that megaverse = infinite multiverses, but it seems like - as you said - that a megaverse = trans infinite multiverse + closely associated realities that are outside said multiverse.
